Value of virginity and slut-shaming

[Grenartia]

Father of Four.

Oh look, youre going to be a Social Worker.
Let me know when you grow up, and when you actually arent the possession of your parents.

I'm not fucking property of anybody.

My parents can take that to their graves.

My mother was at least intelligent enough to realize that I was not her property. Her outlook was more or less that she was my guide, and not my owner. If I have kids, if I'm even half the parent she was, I'll consider my parenthood a success.

^ Slut shaming. BAD.

Why don't we quit shaming thieves and graffiti artists while we're at it, hmm? Let's just quit telling people who do immoral things that they are doing immoral things! ANARCHY!

Thing is, theft and vandalism inherently infringe on other people's rights without informed consent, and are thus immoral. Not so with casual sex. Try again.

Its the attitude of people like you that caused me to assault my mom's asshole mother and stepfather, because that attitude caused them to justify making my life a fucking hell on earth for me. Because of that attitude, I considered committing fucking suicide by train just to make sure I retained at least ONE FUCKING BIT of my self-determination.

So, FUCK. YOUR. BULLSHIT.

Need a tissue?
1. Perhaps you might ought to sit down and try some more introspection.
Moving post though, very moving.
2. I bet youre really tough and have a large penis too.

1. I've done all the introspection I need.
2. Ad hominem. If you can't defend your position, and have to resort to insulting me, perhaps you should reconsider your position.

[Condunum]

The denseness of this post is suffocating.

Good argument

Here, let me give you the argument she is failing to give out of aggravation. I assume that is your issue at this moment, Nana.

Slut, like any other word, holds no intrinsic value. Literally none. It does, however have definitions, and when coupled with other words, the context of the phrase or sentence determines what the word means. "She's a slut!" Is rather clear, in that it's evident that slut is an adjective to describe this woman. Slut is a negative adjective in this sense, as it's intent is to degrade the image of the woman it's being shouted at. It is, in this case, slut-shaming, because the entire purpose of the word is to warp outside opinions of this woman.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The denseness of this post is suffocating.

Good argument

I call them like I see them.

[The Silence of Night]

Then... Get sexually unfrustrated.

Is there something impeding you from getting a girl/man/inbetween?

I can't talk to girls.

Try a man then, they're just as fun.

[Living Freedom Land]

I can't talk to girls.

Why not?

Because I'm shy.

[Disserbia]

Simmer down. Pointing something out rudely is not the same as harassing someone or trying o push them to suicide, there needs to be a distinction.

Slut shaming is broad. The other one is harassment, also included in slut shaming. I don't understand the need for distinctions here. Whether or not it causes someone to kill themselves, it is still reprehensible. Do you understandable that?

Intent matters is the point. One is malicious one is ignorance. Those two things are not the same.

[Benuty]

I can't talk to girls.

Try a man then, they're just as fun.

damn ninja.

[Temujinn]

Because I'm sexually frustrated and too cheap to hire a prostitute.

Then... Get sexually unfrustrated.

Is there something impeding you from getting a girl/man/inbetween?

Heck, kids are practically programmed to rebel in their teenage years.

Eeeeh, that's more of a symptom of actual teenage development and a stereotype of teenagers. They "rebel" if their parents don't agree with what their teenagers are doing, which is probably a given in authoritarian families.

Teenagers are in a phase of life where they look for their own identity, and they do that by searching for peer groups, which is why sometimes cliques form. Cliques are, however, also a stereotype of teenagers. Sometimes, a social group is just a social group.

This answer ignore the neurological effects on behavior, specifically brain plasticity or "white matter" which is more abundant in adolescents than in adults, adults have more grey matter.

This plasticity makes adolescents more prone to quick thinking, and less capable of judgement based decisions.

This is also often associated with the high level of sexual activity in adolescents. It doesnt imply that all adolescent decisions are bad, merely that they are wired to make snap decisions. As the brain develops this changes.

Yeah, I dont bluff.

[Rocopurr]

Why not?

Because I'm shy.

Work to overcome your shyness.

[Dyakovo]

So she slut shamed you once.

Look, criticizing whether or not you have a boyfriend by calling you a "stupid American slut" is slut-shaming. Whether the person is a relative or a nanogenarian doesn't factor into it. If its not slut shaming for her to call you a "stupid American slut", then you wouldn't know slut shaming if it performed a lap dance in your bedroom.

Also known as #3.

So what you're saying is intent doesn't matter because se used a certain word. Yeah, no.

No, intent matters, and the intent in calling you a "stupid American slut" for having a boyfriend is pretty fucking clear. What doesn't matter is whether the person saying it is related to you or their age.

[Living Freedom Land]

I can't talk to girls.

Try a man then, they're just as fun.

Thanks, but I just don't graze on that side of the fence, if you know what I mean.

[The Rich Port]

Why not?

Because I'm shy.

"Shy" could mean a number of things.

Are you afraid of rejection? Are you scared of talking to them? Are you afraid of public conversation in general?

Don't say all.

[Disserbia]

Good argument

Here, let me give you the argument she is failing to give out of aggravation. I assume that is your issue at this moment, Nana.

Slut, like any other word, holds no intrinsic value. Literally none. It does, however have definitions, and when coupled with other words, the context of the phrase or sentence determines what the word means. "She's a slut!" Is rather clear, in that it's evident that slut is an adjective to describe this woman. Slut is a negative adjective in this sense, as it's intent is to degrade the image of the woman it's being shouted at. It is, in this case, slut-shaming, because the entire purpose of the word is to warp outside opinions of this woman.

Yes I agree intent and context matters

[The Steel Magnolia]

>implying we're all virgins

>which we are ;_;

Don't lump me in with you.


Anyway if someone wants to tell me I'm a slut, and they have before time and again, fuck it. I'm getting laid more often than they are. And indeed, 99% of the time I'm getting laid a hell of a lot more often than the folks bitching at me.

Why not?

Because I'm shy.

Oh for fuck's sake. talk to a fucking therapist if it's serious, grow a damn spine if it's not, maybe stop thinking about fucking every girl you meet and talk to them normally.

[Galloism]

So she slut shamed you once.

Look, criticizing whether or not you have a boyfriend by calling you a "stupid American slut" is slut-shaming. Whether the person is a relative or a nanogenarian doesn't factor into it. If its not slut shaming for her to call you a "stupid American slut", then you wouldn't know slut shaming if it performed a lap dance in your bedroom.

Also known as #3.

So what you're saying is intent doesn't matter because se used a certain word. Yeah, no.

Her intent is clear, by your own words.

She intended to guilt or shame you into changing your behavior by calling you a "stupid American slut" mostly because she did not like your clothing choice or that you had a boyfriend, by your own words. That's pretty textbook slut shaming.

Here.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming

It's exactly the definition.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Good argument

Here, let me give you the argument she is failing to give out of aggravation. I assume that is your issue at this moment, Nana.

Slut, like any other word, holds no intrinsic value. Literally none. It does, however have definitions, and when coupled with other words, the context of the phrase or sentence determines what the word means. "She's a slut!" Is rather clear, in that it's evident that slut is an adjective to describe this woman. Slut is a negative adjective in this sense, as it's intent is to degrade the image of the woman it's being shouted at. It is, in this case, slut-shaming, because the entire purpose of the word is to warp outside opinions of this woman.

I have no idea why she's not understanding this. How many ways must it be explained? Gods.

[Temujinn]

I'm not fucking property of anybody.

My parents can take that to their graves.

My mother was at least intelligent enough to realize that I was not her property. Her outlook was more or less that she was my guide, and not my owner. If I have kids, if I'm even half the parent she was, I'll consider my parenthood a success.

Why don't we quit shaming thieves and graffiti artists while we're at it, hmm? Let's just quit telling people who do immoral things that they are doing immoral things! ANARCHY!

Thing is, theft and vandalism inherently infringe on other people's rights without informed consent, and are thus immoral. Not so with casual sex. Try again.

Need a tissue?
1. Perhaps you might ought to sit down and try some more introspection.
Moving post though, very moving.
2. I bet youre really tough and have a large penis too.

1. I've done all the introspection I need.
2. Ad hominem. If you can't defend your position, and have to resort to insulting me, perhaps you should reconsider your position.

I said you were tough and had a big penis...these arent insults.
You seem confused.

[The Rich Port]

Then... Get sexually unfrustrated.

Is there something impeding you from getting a girl/man/inbetween?



Eeeeh, that's more of a symptom of actual teenage development and a stereotype of teenagers. They "rebel" if their parents don't agree with what their teenagers are doing, which is probably a given in authoritarian families.

Teenagers are in a phase of life where they look for their own identity, and they do that by searching for peer groups, which is why sometimes cliques form. Cliques are, however, also a stereotype of teenagers. Sometimes, a social group is just a social group.

This answer ignore the neurological effects on behavior, specifically brain plasticity or "white matter" which is more abundant in adolescents than in adults, adults have more grey matter.

This plasticity makes adolescents more prone to quick thinking, and less capable of judgement based decisions.

This is also often associated with the high level of sexual activity in adolescents. It doesnt imply that all adolescent decisions are bad, merely that they are wired to make snap decisions. As the brain develops this changes.

Yeah, I dont bluff.

... So?

What does that have to do with the activity of looking for a social group?

[The Silence of Night]

Try a man then, they're just as fun.

Thanks, but I just don't graze on that side of the fence, if you know what I mean.

To each their own.

[Living Freedom Land]

Because I'm shy.

"Shy" could mean a number of things.

Are you afraid of rejection? Are you scared of talking to them? Are you afraid of public conversation in general?

Don't say all.

Darnit. "All" was going to be my answer.

Although my "in general" conversation skills have gotten better as of late, so just the first two.

[Disserbia]

So what you're saying is intent doesn't matter because se used a certain word. Yeah, no.

No, intent matters, and the intent in calling you a "stupid American slut" for having a boyfriend is pretty fucking clear. What doesn't matter is whether the person saying it is related to you or their age.

Yeah it's clear, she wanted me to act respectfully at church she did not care outside of the church setting. Ergo not slut shaming, just a rude way of telling me my behavior was inappropriate in that context.

[Sedikal]

Why not?

Because I'm shy.

It's not that hard to overcome. Just find something to talk about and then let it flow natuarly.

[Napkiraly]

Then... Get sexually unfrustrated.

Is there something impeding you from getting a girl/man/inbetween?

I can't talk to girls.

I used to have that problem. Don't worry, just met some guys that can help you get over your fear and then hopefully you can overcome it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Slut shaming is broad. The other one is harassment, also included in slut shaming. I don't understand the need for distinctions here. Whether or not it causes someone to kill themselves, it is still reprehensible. Do you understandable that?

Intent matters is the point. One is malicious one is ignorance. Those two things are not the same.

I quit. Wallow in this, whatever, I don't care. Its been explained to your more than once and you refuse to understand.

[Autismiah]

I don't personally care if a woman decides to devalue herself, but I don't find the traits of promiscuity and arbitrariness as attractive. I also don't think such a display of unfaithfulness is appealing. So yes, I do value virginity. It shows control, too.