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Postby Uieurnthlaal » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:55 pm

I think it is a good idea. However, I see two problems with this: firstly, it is often focused more strongly on women and on men. That gender double standard has to go. True, education that's not just abstinence only is better than education that is, but that's only because this idea isn't commonplace among both genders within the youth population.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:55 pm

My problem with slut shaming is that it needs to be applied more evenly; both women and men need to know there are consequences to promiscuity, and the cultural changes that encouraged it need to be undone.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:55 pm

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Or, if he fucks around a lot, he's the man.

Or again, gay.

For whatever reason.


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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:56 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I have. My grandmother, for example, thinks women have to arrive virgins to the marriage bed. And any woman who doesn't, for her, is a slut.

My grandma is the same way, at least for the first part.

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It certainly wasn't well known in my neck of the woods.

Well, it is known here. Think about all the major religions that believe you have to wait until marriage, for example.

Condunum wrote:Uhm...

I speak for many here when I say that isn't true :P

;-; No. You have to be a lonely virgin with me!

You're well over a year too late for that :p
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Postby The Orson Empire » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:56 pm

Simple- let people do as they choose. However, people should always be educated in order to avoid sexually-transmitted diseases.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:56 pm

Disserbia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Go to church and talk to old people.

That's old people from a different time that's not active slut shaming

No, guys and gals still do it today, it's just looser (no pun intended). Not so much she's a "slut" if she isn't a virgin, just if she's promiscuous or dresses to attract or looks at a lot of guys flirtatiously.
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Postby Temujinn » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:56 pm

Galloism wrote:I think both slut shaming and chastity shaming need to die.

Let people make their own choices.

Yup.

Boys get shamed for being virgins, girls get shamed for being not.

Derpity derp.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:56 pm

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So you have nothing?

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012 ... ts-and-sex

Perhaps that will serve your needs.
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Postby Disserbia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:56 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Disserbia wrote:That's her opinion, that's not really active slut shaming.


Errrr, it is active slut shaming. She tells women who aren't 'chaste' that they're sluts.

That's not really the same as bullying people for their lifestyle, that's an old woman who is from a different time having her own opinions.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:56 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:Simple- let people do as they choose.

This^
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:57 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:It is quite common, sadly.

She's pointed out people on the street and tells me not to dress like them too.

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Postby Olthar » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:57 pm

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Galloism wrote:It is.

I've never encountered it outside of the Internet.

I saw it quite often in high school. I haven't really gone outside since then, but I'm sure it hasn't suddenly disappeared in the past four years.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:57 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I have. My grandmother, for example, thinks women have to arrive virgins to the marriage bed. And any woman who doesn't, for her, is a slut.

My grandma is the same way, at least for the first part.

Benomia wrote:
It certainly wasn't well known in my neck of the woods.

Well, it is known here. Think about all the major religions that believe you have to wait until marriage, for example.

Condunum wrote:Uhm...

I speak for many here when I say that isn't true :P

;-; No. You have to be a lonely virgin with me!


She insulted me when I moved in with my now husband. She said only sluts live with a man who isn't their "lawfully wedded husband" .
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Postby Disserbia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:57 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Disserbia wrote:That's old people from a different time that's not active slut shaming

No, guys and gals still do it today, it's just looser (no pun intended). Not so much she's a "slut" if she isn't a virgin, just if she's promiscuous or dresses to attract or looks at a lot of guys flirtatiously.

Yeah and like I said I've yet to see a single serious case of it in person. I'm sure it happens I some places but I think that in the western world it seems to be a highly exaggerated problem.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:58 pm

Olthar wrote:
Disserbia wrote:I've never encountered it outside of the Internet.

I saw it quite often in high school. I haven't really gone outside since then, but I'm sure it hasn't suddenly disappeared in the past four years.

It happens a lot, still.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:58 pm

Temujinn wrote:
Galloism wrote:I think both slut shaming and chastity shaming need to die.

Let people make their own choices.

Yup.

Boys get shamed for being virgins, girls get shamed for being not.

Derpity derp.

There is a problem with being a virgin and male in today's society which didn't exist back in the days of a much more religious world.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:58 pm

Temujinn wrote:
Galloism wrote:I think both slut shaming and chastity shaming need to die.

Let people make their own choices.

Yup.

Boys get shamed for being virgins, girls get shamed for being not.

Derpity derp.

Burden of sexual pleasure is often on the male, is why.
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Postby Meryuma » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:58 pm

I kinda wish I didn't personally lose my virginity when and how I did, but that's not for any traditionalist reasons.
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Postby Temujinn » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:59 pm

Diopolis wrote:My problem with slut shaming is that it needs to be applied more evenly; both women and men need to know there are consequences to promiscuity, and the cultural changes that encouraged it need to be undone.

Consequence of promiscuity ... more orgasms.

Stop shaming people for a biological act that is completely natural.

Teach people how to avoid disease, dont make them feel bad for being sexual(or not).
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Postby Disserbia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:59 pm

Galloism wrote:
Disserbia wrote:So you have nothing?

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012 ... ts-and-sex

Perhaps that will serve your needs.

Thanks for proving my point
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:59 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:My grandma is the same way, at least for the first part.


Well, it is known here. Think about all the major religions that believe you have to wait until marriage, for example.


;-; No. You have to be a lonely virgin with me!


She insulted me when I moved in with my now husband. She said only sluts live with a man who isn't their "lawfully wedded husband" .

I'm terribly sorry for that. Mine just has all the strong catholic morals and such.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:59 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Galloism wrote:http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012 ... ts-and-sex

Perhaps that will serve your needs.

Thanks for proving my point

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Postby Haktiva » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:59 pm

There are better things for people to focus on than sex. I could careless about someone else's sex life. I think others should follow that, but that's free will for ya
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:00 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Errrr, it is active slut shaming. She tells women who aren't 'chaste' that they're sluts.

That's not really the same as bullying people for their lifestyle, that's an old woman who is from a different time having her own opinions.


Yes, it is slut shaming. Whatever your ideas, telling women that they're sluts for the way they choose to live, regardless of generation, is active slut shaming. If you don't understand that, that's not my problem..
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Postby Disserbia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:00 pm

Olthar wrote:
Disserbia wrote:I've never encountered it outside of the Internet.

I saw it quite often in high school. I haven't really gone outside since then, but I'm sure it hasn't suddenly disappeared in the past four years.

Really? I'm glad I didn't go to your school then.
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