Value of virginity and slut-shaming

[Libertarian California]

I'm not seeing it.

How the fuck are you not seeing that it is sexism?
You think that women who have sex suddenly lose the ability to find meaning in a relationship or the first sexual act of a relationship. And you think that women's vagina's get "dirty" or "used" or "damaged" when they have sex and the only way for them to be good enough for you is if you are the only one to shove a cock in her.
Fucking. Sexism.

I think the same applies to men as well.

Your point?

[Condunum]

Yes. Sexism affects no one. Especially not women.

Considering, I've never been with a woman (at least not physically), I don't see how I'm harming any women.

Well, your beliefs aren't helpful in the slighted, either. Why, exactly, do you believe that a woman who has been with someone else would view you as inferior?

[Dilange]

Virginity is overrrated until the very moments before you are about to lose it.

[Condunum]

I think she's referring to your unfounded belief that there is some sort of issue with women who've been with other men. While I realize that it's based in a fear, she's right, it's unfounded. If you actually have an issue with this when you're with someone, talk to them about it. Make sure your issues are understood. Complaining about them doesn't really help.

I perhaps my belief is unfounded. There's another reason why I prefer virgins (that I did not mention earlier, and it has to do with attractiveness). It boils down to my personal preference. Would I be unfounded in wishing that everyone was blond like me? It's not like I actually want to get rid of non-blonds. It's just my preference and what I find to be ideal.

Well, personal preference for a partner is not something I'm willing to attack, because we all have our preferences and what we find more attractive.

However, your belief that women who've fucked before are somehow morally inferior are wrong, and you should work on those.

[Libertarian California]

Considering, I've never been with a woman (at least not physically), I don't see how I'm harming any women.

You ARE harming women by thinking that women who have sex are incapable of feeling meaning and love and that they get damaged by having sex.

No I'm not harming women.

I'm not violating their lives, liberty, or property. My thoughts do not harm people. My actions do (if I happen to be acting in such a manner, which I don't). Please tell me how I have negatively impacted your life in a significant way.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

How the fuck are you not seeing that it is sexism?
You think that women who have sex suddenly lose the ability to find meaning in a relationship or the first sexual act of a relationship. And you think that women's vagina's get "dirty" or "used" or "damaged" when they have sex and the only way for them to be good enough for you is if you are the only one to shove a cock in her.
Fucking. Sexism.

I think the same applies to men as well.

Your point?

It's. Still. Wrong. And. You. Should. Be. Ashamed.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

You ARE harming women by thinking that women who have sex are incapable of feeling meaning and love and that they get damaged by having sex.

No I'm not harming women.

I'm not violating their lives, liberty, or property. My thoughts do not harm people. Please tell me how I have negatively impacted your life in a significant way.

Then I suppose it's not harming women by thinking they are subhuman property, as long as we don't physically assault them, right?

[The Rich Port]

I think the same applies to men as well.

Your point?

It's. Still. Wrong. And. You. Should. Be. Ashamed.

I'm unsure if libertarians know what shame is.

Being libertarians and all.

[Condunum]

You ARE harming women by thinking that women who have sex are incapable of feeling meaning and love and that they get damaged by having sex.

No I'm not harming women.

I'm not violating their lives, liberty, or property. My thoughts do not harm people. Please tell me how I have negatively impacted your life in a significant way.

The sheer fact that people hold views like yours can be a rather annoying thing to know, considering it's evidence of a defunct society.

That's probably why.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

It's. Still. Wrong. And. You. Should. Be. Ashamed.

I'm unsure if libertarians know what shame is.

Being libertarians and all.

I agree.

[Libertarian California]

I perhaps my belief is unfounded. There's another reason why I prefer virgins (that I did not mention earlier, and it has to do with attractiveness). It boils down to my personal preference. Would I be unfounded in wishing that everyone was blond like me? It's not like I actually want to get rid of non-blonds. It's just my preference and what I find to be ideal.

Well, personal preference for a partner is not something I'm willing to attack, because we all have our preferences and what we find more attractive.

However, your belief that women who've fucked before are somehow morally inferior are wrong, and you should work on those.

I never said they were wrong. I said that I personally do not approve. But that has little affect on their actions, so I don't know why it would matter.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I'm not seeing it.

How the fuck are you not seeing that it is sexism?
You think that women who have sex suddenly lose the ability to find meaning in a relationship or the first sexual act of a relationship. And you think that women's vagina's get "dirty" or "used" or "damaged" when they have sex and the only way for them to be good enough for you is if you are the only one to shove a cock in her.
Fucking. Sexism.

Or. ORRRR...

He doesn't find women who have had sex with someone else as attractive without making a broad sweeping assumption that women are worthless as soon as they've had sex. Christ, you guys have literally put words into this poor kid's mouth for the last three pages. Give him a break ffs.

[Condunum]

No I'm not harming women.

I'm not violating their lives, liberty, or property. My thoughts do not harm people. Please tell me how I have negatively impacted your life in a significant way.

Then I suppose it's not harming women by thinking they are subhuman property, as long as we don't physically assault them, right?

Well, as long as you don't let that belief influence your outward behavior in any way whatsoever, that's a harmless belief.

That's very hard to do though, and it's obvious his beliefs do influence his actions.

[Condunum]

Well, personal preference for a partner is not something I'm willing to attack, because we all have our preferences and what we find more attractive.

However, your belief that women who've fucked before are somehow morally inferior are wrong, and you should work on those.

I never said they were wrong. I said that I personally do not approve. But that has little affect on their actions, so I don't know why it would matter.

Perhaps because said beliefs are unfounded?

[Libertarian California]

No I'm not harming women.

I'm not violating their lives, liberty, or property. My thoughts do not harm people. Please tell me how I have negatively impacted your life in a significant way.

Then I suppose it's not harming women by thinking they are subhuman property, as long as we don't physically assault them, right?

I never said women are subhuman (nor do I think that). Don't misquote me.

You probably think I'm an asshole. I don't feel negatively affected.

[Saiwania]

Listen the fuck here, alright?
Virgin shaming is just as fucking bad as slut shaming and if I were near you and heard anyone virgin shaming you or making you feel bad for not having sex I would punch them in the face.

Don't punch them in the face. While what they are doing is very rude and demeaning, it is always better to avoid a physical fight when possible so as to avoid possible injuries or legal trouble. You can use physical force but ideally, only in self defense or sparingly; having assessed the risks.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

It's. Still. Wrong. And. You. Should. Be. Ashamed.

I'm unsure if libertarians know what shame is.

Being libertarians and all.

I am a person who gets a shamed so very easy over some things. My political views have nothing to do with it.

[Libertarian California]

Considering, I've never been with a woman (at least not physically), I don't see how I'm harming any women.

Well, your beliefs aren't helpful in the slighted, either. Why, exactly, do you believe that a woman who has been with someone else would view you as inferior?

I don't know where this inferiority thing is coming from, honestly.

[Libertarian California]

I think the same applies to men as well.

Your point?

It's. Still. Wrong. And. You. Should. Be. Ashamed.

Why?

[The Rich Port]

I'm unsure if libertarians know what shame is.

Being libertarians and all.

I am a person who gets a shamed so very easy over some things. My political views have nothing to do with it.

I was partly kidding. Partly.

But this isn't the thread for that.

[Condunum]

Well, your beliefs aren't helpful in the slighted, either. Why, exactly, do you believe that a woman who has been with someone else would view you as inferior?

I don't know where this inferiority thing is coming from, honestly.

...

That doesn't help at all.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

I am a person who gets a shamed so very easy over some things. My political views have nothing to do with it.

I was partly kidding. Partly. :D

But this isn't the thread for that.

:P Oh, I'm used to those kind of comments. I don't mind, honestly. :3

:] This thread's been with every topic imaginable, but yeah, you're right.

[Libertarian California]

I never said they were wrong. I said that I personally do not approve. But that has little affect on their actions, so I don't know why it would matter.

Perhaps because said beliefs are unfounded?

Even if that's true, they have little bearing on how I treat women. I'd have no way of knowing if a woman is a virgin or not unless I ask her or her friends, which would be an intrusion of privacy.

[Libertarian California]

It's. Still. Wrong. And. You. Should. Be. Ashamed.

I'm unsure if libertarians know what shame is.

Being libertarians and all.

Why talk about shame? Morality isn't objective.

[Condunum]

Perhaps because said beliefs are unfounded?

Even if that's true, they have little bearing on how I treat women. I'd have no way of knowing if a woman is a virgin or not unless I ask her or her friends, which would be an intrusion of privacy.

Which is a good thing.

However, this is something you're really going to need to deal with if you want to make any sort of lasting relationships.