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by The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:15 am

by Dyakovo » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:17 am
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Theistic Evolution for the win.

by Torcularis Septentrionalis » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:18 am
The Andromeda Islands wrote:This! Is! A! Bad! Idea!
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Why are you talking about murder when we are talking about abortion? Murdering a fetus is impossible. It's like smelling an echo. You're not making sense.

by Yaltabaoth » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:55 am

by Immoren » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:04 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

by Chinese Regions » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:56 am
Pharthan wrote:Creationism, if for no other reason to attempt to play Devil's Advocate/12th Juror to the scientific opinion (since it, after all, has no actual effect on my life).
Having the masses all believe one theory only leads to stagnation of intellectual and technological advancement.
In modern society, most people take a "OH UR CHRISTIUN SO UR DUMB" policy, which is incredibly bigoted, and my general goal is, in any faculty I happen to be a part of, be it real life on online forum, to try to be a voice against that. (It still boggles my mind how people can be intolerant towards Christianity... for being intolerant. It's the only group of people you can be prejudice against and get praise. You can't even hate on fat people anymore. The lack of political correctness from the attempt at political correctness baffles me.)
I've actually seen a lot against Evolution; most of it involves relatively simple math, time-tables, and more extensive research into inaccuracies of carbon-dating (I really need to find all of that research, but it's difficult to find (liberal media tends to not publish what they don't like, go figure) and that was some time ago that I found that. The sheer luck of our existence influences my beliefs (the more you understand about the universe, the more near-impossibility of our existence seems all the more staggering and humbling). Yes, I know what the anthropic principle is. I don't support on the sheer fact that believe that it takes away from the beauty of our complex universe, which is beautiful no matter how it was created.
It's not just that Creationism simplifies things for me, it's that I struggle to believe that science "finally has it."
Every couple hundred years or so we find out that we were wrong about some big theory and we have to start all over again. I refuse to buy into a system of beliefs in which the resultant is that science stagnates trying to make progress because they feel as though they have all of the answers.
Creationism results in those who don't believe in the religion, and there will always be those who don't, trying to disprove said religion.
Individuality-ness wrote:So, list of sites that show evidence FOR the theory of evolution via natural selection:
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAC3481305829426D
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
http://exploringorigins.org/rnaworld.html
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/ ... cleotides/
http://itol.embl.de/
http://tolweb.org/tree/
http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/

by Hurdegaryp » Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:59 am
Immoren wrote:Creationism obviously true. I buried the fossils to dick with future generations.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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by Immoren » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:19 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

by Hurdegaryp » Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:51 am
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

by Ayreonia » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:14 am

by The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:17 am
Immoren wrote:Creationism obviously true. I buried the fossils to dick with future generations.

by Arkhanic Assassins » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:25 am

by Ayreonia » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:31 am
Arkhanic Assassins wrote:Well, if the theory evolution is perfectly true, and survival of the fittest really stands out. I don't see why we're the only species to adapt sentient intelligence and a complex system of languages. Shouldn't all apes and monkeys have evolved into human beings by now? After all, we can defend ourselves and survive as a race more than they ever can.

by Arkhanic Assassins » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:32 am
Ayreonia wrote:Arkhanic Assassins wrote:Well, if the theory evolution is perfectly true, and survival of the fittest really stands out. I don't see why we're the only species to adapt sentient intelligence and a complex system of languages. Shouldn't all apes and monkeys have evolved into human beings by now? After all, we can defend ourselves and survive as a race more than they ever can.
We aren't. The Neanderthals were wiped out.

by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:33 am
Arkhanic Assassins wrote:Well, if the theory evolution is perfectly true, and survival of the fittest really stands out. I don't see why we're the only species to adapt sentient intelligence and a complex system of languages. Shouldn't all apes and monkeys have evolved into human beings by now?

by Arkhanic Assassins » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:38 am
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Arkhanic Assassins wrote:Well, if the theory evolution is perfectly true, and survival of the fittest really stands out. I don't see why we're the only species to adapt sentient intelligence and a complex system of languages. Shouldn't all apes and monkeys have evolved into human beings by now?
No, because human beings didn't evolve from apes or monkeys, they evolved from a common ancestor with apes and monkeys.

by Divair » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:39 am
Arkhanic Assassins wrote:Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
No, because human beings didn't evolve from apes or monkeys, they evolved from a common ancestor with apes and monkeys.
I know, but according to the Theory of evolution, superior genes are highly favored and passed on, while inferior genetics will be discarded.
Human intelligence and sentience is quite a powerful genetic trait. The question is, why are we, and we alone, possess it. Wouldn't it be cool if other animals can talk and converse with us or they develop their own language and match our ingenuity, and even build their own civilizations and cultures, and even technology!

by Arkhanic Assassins » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:40 am
Divair wrote:Arkhanic Assassins wrote:
I know, but according to the Theory of evolution, superior genes are highly favored and passed on, while inferior genetics will be discarded.
Human intelligence and sentience is quite a powerful genetic trait. The question is, why are we, and we alone, possess it. Wouldn't it be cool if other animals can talk and converse with us or they develop their own language and match our ingenuity, and even build their own civilizations and cultures, and even technology!
Except that isn't how evolution works.

by Ayreonia » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:41 am

by Divair » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:42 am
Arkhanic Assassins wrote:So are you saying that Evolution will not favor superior traits?
Arkhanic Assassins wrote: And that humans are the only species that can evolve into such complexity?

by Hurdegaryp » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:43 am
Arkhanic Assassins wrote:Well, if the theory evolution is perfectly true, and survival of the fittest really stands out. I don't see why we're the only species to adapt sentient intelligence and a complex system of languages. Shouldn't all apes and monkeys have evolved into human beings by now? After all, we can defend ourselves and survive as a race more than they ever can.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
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