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What do you believe in?

Darwinian Evolution
477
67%
Young Earth Creationism
39
6%
Old Earth Creationism
25
4%
Intelligent Design
48
7%
Theistic Evolution
88
12%
Other
30
4%
 
Total votes : 707

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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:39 pm

Helvereos wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:You've been repeatedly posting nothing but picture responses in multiple threads. You're really pushing the pic spam rule.


I can't use pictures to convey my meaning?

I thought pictures spoke a thousand words.

Do you just not read rules when you come on the site, or do you have short-term memory issues?
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Helvereos
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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:39 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Helvereos wrote:
I can't use pictures to convey my meaning?

I thought pictures spoke a thousand words.

In this case only 19 words.


Why the smart-ass reply? What did I do to you?

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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:39 pm

Helvereos wrote:
Genivaria wrote:In this case only 19 words.


Why the smart-ass reply? What did I do to you?

Perhaps it was the smart ass reply to a mod which brought on the smart ass reply from someone else.

Shocker, that.
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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:41 pm

Condunum wrote:
Helvereos wrote:
I can't use pictures to convey my meaning?

I thought pictures spoke a thousand words.

Do you just not read rules when you come on the site, or do you have short-term memory issues?


Hey, I have feelings too. Frankly, I'm surprised you're not calling me retarded or anything like that. I've seen way too many responses like that on this site. :(

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Postby Uieurnthlaal » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:41 pm

Helvereos wrote:
Genivaria wrote:In this case only 19 words.


Why the smart-ass reply? What did I do to you?

Let me put it to you this way: An image takes up, on average, say 50kb. A word takes up, on average 5 kb. Using a 50 000b image to convey a 100b message seems a bit unnecessary, don't you think?
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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:42 pm

Condunum wrote:
Helvereos wrote:
Why the smart-ass reply? What did I do to you?

Perhaps it was the smart ass reply to a mod which brought on the smart ass reply from someone else.

Shocker, that.


Wait, am I getting trolled right now?

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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:43 pm

Uieurnthlaal wrote:
Helvereos wrote:
Why the smart-ass reply? What did I do to you?

Let me put it to you this way: An image takes up, on average, say 50kb. A word takes up, on average 5 kb. Using a 50 000b image to convey a 100b message seems a bit unnecessary, don't you think?


I like to go above and beyond.

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Postby Uieurnthlaal » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:43 pm

Helvereos wrote:
Condunum wrote:Do you just not read rules when you come on the site, or do you have short-term memory issues?


Hey, I have feelings too. Frankly, I'm surprised you're not calling me retarded or anything like that. I've seen way too many responses like that on this site. :(

To be honest, I have yet to find a single site of this sort, in which people can enter opinion, where there isn't an overabundance of aggressiveness.
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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:45 pm

Uieurnthlaal wrote:
Helvereos wrote:
Hey, I have feelings too. Frankly, I'm surprised you're not calling me retarded or anything like that. I've seen way too many responses like that on this site. :(

To be honest, I have yet to find a single site of this sort, in which people can enter opinion, where there isn't an overabundance of aggressiveness.


Ah, yes, what would the internet be without evil, racist, sexist, homophobic, flame-baiting trolls?

Not nearly as interesting probably.

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Postby Katganistan » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:45 pm

Pharthan wrote:
Tsuntion wrote: Creationism never does.
Quite false, actually. Most Christians these days have redeveloped the idea of Creationism to one more accepting of science and one far more researched on itself. Those educated understand that the original "seven days" wasn't literally just that, as the original translation of the word "day" was anything but, and could easily be construed as a week, year, decade, century, millennia, eon, et cetera.

Tsuntion wrote:Just because one thing might theoretically stagnate -- but won't -- doesn't mean that you should then choose the wrong-est idea you can. Accept evolution. It's important.
This statement is exactly what I'm talking about. The blatant assumption that one theory is wrong and so demanding the acceptance of another.
The importance of believing Evolution is so slight I could really care less. Accepting it changes nothing, and so I find nothing wrong with believing a theory which is contrary.

Another reason why I dislike Evolution is that it seems that half the people believing in it are pompous pricks, this forum included. And perhaps proving "half" is a generous understatement. Most cite that it's the most scientific and ironically have no idea why, they just bandwagon onto everyone else without thought.

Keep telling yourself that. Perhaps it will even be true someday.

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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:48 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Pharthan wrote:Quite false, actually. Most Christians these days have redeveloped the idea of Creationism to one more accepting of science and one far more researched on itself. Those educated understand that the original "seven days" wasn't literally just that, as the original translation of the word "day" was anything but, and could easily be construed as a week, year, decade, century, millennia, eon, et cetera.

This statement is exactly what I'm talking about. The blatant assumption that one theory is wrong and so demanding the acceptance of another.
The importance of believing Evolution is so slight I could really care less. Accepting it changes nothing, and so I find nothing wrong with believing a theory which is contrary.

Another reason why I dislike Evolution is that it seems that half the people believing in it are pompous pricks, this forum included. And perhaps proving "half" is a generous understatement. Most cite that it's the most scientific and ironically have no idea why, they just bandwagon onto everyone else without thought.

Keep telling yourself that. Perhaps it will even be true someday.


Hm?

Aren't mods supposed to be objective? Are we not allowed to even have opinions?

Just a question.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:48 pm

Helvereos wrote:
Condunum wrote:Perhaps it was the smart ass reply to a mod which brought on the smart ass reply from someone else.

Shocker, that.

Wait, am I getting trolled right now?

No, you just got told... again.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Katganistan » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:49 pm

Condunum wrote:
Implying Logic wrote:
No nice try, the three kings are three stars that align with the northern star and form a line that directly points towards the sun.

Now you may think, why is December 25th so important?

Simple, the sun goes south 1 degree in his eclips, and hence making days longer again. Pentecost? Simply the day that days are as long as nights again.

The crucifixion? At December 22/21, the longest night, the sun "dies" under the southern cross, exactly in the middle. And hence, crucifixion

The resurrection after 3 days? December 22, 23, 24 and then... December 25, days getting longer again!

nevermind that the date was actually chosen to lure in more pagans.

Saturnalia. But hey, let's just make some stuff up rather than, you know, look at the history of Christianity absorbing holidays from pagans -- like All Soul's Day/Halloween/Samhain.

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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:49 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Helvereos wrote:Wait, am I getting trolled right now?

No, you just got told... again.

Got told what? Just let it got.

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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:49 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Helvereos wrote:Wait, am I getting trolled right now?

No, you just got told... again.

I have a photo for this. I really do. But considering what he's being scolded for, I can't post it.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:50 pm

Helvereos wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Keep telling yourself that. Perhaps it will even be true someday.

Hm?

Aren't mods supposed to be objective? Are we not allowed to even have opinions?

Just a question.

I see you have decided to seek the confrontation with the moderators of this forum. This can only end well, of course. Please continue. It's always nice to see a classic case of survival of the fittest, internet style.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:51 pm

Condunum wrote:
Implying Logic wrote:
No nice try, the three kings are three stars that align with the northern star and form a line that directly points towards the sun.

Now you may think, why is December 25th so important?

Simple, the sun goes south 1 degree in his eclips, and hence making days longer again. Pentecost? Simply the day that days are as long as nights again.

The crucifixion? At December 22/21, the longest night, the sun "dies" under the southern cross, exactly in the middle. And hence, crucifixion

The resurrection after 3 days? December 22, 23, 24 and then... December 25, days getting longer again!

nevermind that the date was actually chosen to lure in more pagans.

Except that the two of you are talking about Christ's birth, not his death. The crucifixion and resurrection happen in the Spring, not in the winter.
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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:52 pm

Condunum wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:No, you just got told... again.

I have a photo for this. I really do. But considering what he's being scolded for, I can't post it.


Oh yeah, that reminds me. A while back, in the rape culture thread, you said that you would bet your car if I came back and did nothing but troll. I haven't been trolling, so time to hand over your car?

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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:52 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Condunum wrote:nevermind that the date was actually chosen to lure in more pagans.

Except that the two of you are talking about Christ's birth, not his death. The crucifixion and resurrection happen in the Spring, not in the winter.

...

Wait, Farn, you do know what I meant, right?
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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:53 pm

Helvereos wrote:
Condunum wrote:I have a photo for this. I really do. But considering what he's being scolded for, I can't post it.


Oh yeah, that reminds me. A while back, in the rape culture thread, you said that you would bet your car if I came back and did nothing but troll. I haven't been trolling, so time to hand over your car?

Yeah, there's a problem with that...

It's totaled, and a mechanic shop already stripped it to pieces.

RIP '05 Civic.
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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:53 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Helvereos wrote:Hm?

Aren't mods supposed to be objective? Are we not allowed to even have opinions?

Just a question.

I see you have decided to seek the confrontation with the moderators of this forum. This can only end well, of course. Please continue. It's always nice to see a classic case of survival of the fittest, internet style.


Mods aren't dictators. They can't do whatever the like, just because it suits them. Unless they're bad mods.
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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:54 pm

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Condunum wrote:
Helvereos wrote:
Oh yeah, that reminds me. A while back, in the rape culture thread, you said that you would bet your car if I came back and did nothing but troll. I haven't been trolling, so time to hand over your car?

Yeah, there's a problem with that...

It's totaled, and a mechanic shop already stripped it to pieces.

RIP '05 Civic.

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Postby Lost heros » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:54 pm

Helvereos wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Keep telling yourself that. Perhaps it will even be true someday.


Hm?

Aren't mods supposed to be objective? Are we not allowed to even have opinions?

Just a question.

Mods are regular posters who are given the power to enforce the rules. They are like Internet cops.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:55 pm

Condunum wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Except that the two of you are talking about Christ's birth, not his death. The crucifixion and resurrection happen in the Spring, not in the winter.

...

Wait, Farn, you do know what I meant, right?

Yeah, I know (I was going to edit my post to let you off but didn't feel like it). It is true, however, that the Fathers of the Church sent out undercover agents during the 2nd, 3rd and 4th centuries to document all the pagan holidays they could so Christianity could take them over. We have - well, I have - transcripts of the instructions given to the monk, Adrian, when he was sent to Thule to look into Yule. Interesting reading.
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And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Uieurnthlaal » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:55 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Pharthan wrote:Quite false, actually. Most Christians these days have redeveloped the idea of Creationism to one more accepting of science and one far more researched on itself. Those educated understand that the original "seven days" wasn't literally just that, as the original translation of the word "day" was anything but, and could easily be construed as a week, year, decade, century, millennia, eon, et cetera.

This statement is exactly what I'm talking about. The blatant assumption that one theory is wrong and so demanding the acceptance of another.
The importance of believing Evolution is so slight I could really care less. Accepting it changes nothing, and so I find nothing wrong with believing a theory which is contrary.

Another reason why I dislike Evolution is that it seems that half the people believing in it are pompous pricks, this forum included. And perhaps proving "half" is a generous understatement. Most cite that it's the most scientific and ironically have no idea why, they just bandwagon onto everyone else without thought.

Keep telling yourself that. Perhaps it will even be true someday.

(Reffering to Pharthan)
Most people have no idea what their talking about, you say? That applies both ways. In fact, very few people have the slightest idea what they're talking about, and the few people that do, are smart because they are smart enough to realize their own stupidity.
Moving on, just because some people blindly believe something that doesn't mean that its false. The fact is, evolution is a widely accepted scientific theory. If you don't believe me, there are plenty of scientists in real life that would be happy to point out your misunderstandings of evolution. And if you start to cry conspiracy, always think of Occam's razor. And even if you think you have "disproven" evolution, thing again, because the greatest minds best versed in the subject have found no flaws, while you, a non-scientist who is almost certainly not well versed in all the nooks and crannies of the theory of evolution, still consider yourself qualified enough to judge evolution as false.
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