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What do you believe in?

Darwinian Evolution
477
67%
Young Earth Creationism
39
6%
Old Earth Creationism
25
4%
Intelligent Design
48
7%
Theistic Evolution
88
12%
Other
30
4%
 
Total votes : 707

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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:51 pm

Veneria wrote:Personally, I believe in both creationism and evolution. It is yet unknown what the origin of the universe itself was, prior to the big bang, [...]

Well that's not true.

Would you like a science lesson?

What caused the Big Bang?
The big bang was an inevitable occurrence due to the inherently unstable nature of nothingness. "Nothingness" is an inherently unstable state, thus leading to the existence of things (things like the universe). This can be demonstrated through experimentation and mathematics.

There, a simple explanation of why the big bang happened as accepted by scientific consensus that doesn't require a "god" figure at all.

If you would like a qualified & leading physicist explaining it all in much more detail, here - lecture explaining "Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdUYw59ztyw

Why don't people check stuff before assuming? Esp. when it comes to such significant things?
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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Condunum wrote:Are you seriously going to say that with a straight face? That is, quite literally, the most asinine and idiotic thing I have ever seen anyone say in the entire history of my existence.

And I met Caesar.

Uhm ... about that ... :unsure: That was Gallo in a laurel wreath and a dress. Sorry.

...

That would explain why he seemed a bit... Thin.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:04 pm

Condunum wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Uhm ... about that ... :unsure: That was Gallo in a laurel wreath and a dress. Sorry.

...

That would explain why he seemed a bit... Thin.

It explains a number of things, but yes.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:07 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Condunum wrote:...

That would explain why he seemed a bit... Thin.

It explains a number of things, but yes.

I'm not going into what happened that week.

It's bad enough I have to remember these things.
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Chile and Argentina
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Postby Chile and Argentina » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:08 pm

Hey internet, RELIGION!!!! :lol:

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Postby Keron » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:09 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Veneria wrote:Personally, I believe in both creationism and evolution. It is yet unknown what the origin of the universe itself was, prior to the big bang, [...]

Well that's not true.

Would you like a science lesson?

What caused the Big Bang?
The big bang was an inevitable occurrence due to the inherently unstable nature of nothingness. "Nothingness" is an inherently unstable state, thus leading to the existence of things (things like the universe). This can be demonstrated through experimentation and mathematics.

There, a simple explanation of why the big bang happened as accepted by scientific consensus that doesn't require a "god" figure at all.

If you would like a qualified & leading physicist explaining it all in much more detail, here - lecture explaining "Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdUYw59ztyw

Why don't people check stuff before assuming? Esp. when it comes to such significant things?


Huh, and here I thought all of the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, which exploded because infinite density made it unstable...

Shows what I know. Good job, and nice find (the video).
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Chile and Argentina
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Postby Chile and Argentina » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:14 pm

Keron wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Well that's not true.

Would you like a science lesson?

What caused the Big Bang?
The big bang was an inevitable occurrence due to the inherently unstable nature of nothingness. "Nothingness" is an inherently unstable state, thus leading to the existence of things (things like the universe). This can be demonstrated through experimentation and mathematics.

There, a simple explanation of why the big bang happened as accepted by scientific consensus that doesn't require a "god" figure at all.

If you would like a qualified & leading physicist explaining it all in much more detail, here - lecture explaining "Why There Is Something Rather Than Nothing":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdUYw59ztyw

Why don't people check stuff before assuming? Esp. when it comes to such significant things?


Huh, and here I thought all of the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, which exploded because infinite density made it unstable...

Shows what I know. Good job, and nice find (the video).


Can you educate me on how this is possible? I'm confused. If there is nothing at all, then there can be no nature of nothing, because there can be no states of anything with nothing, right? I am REALLY confused. :meh:

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Postby Cu Math » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:18 pm

Chile and Argentina wrote:
Keron wrote:
Huh, and here I thought all of the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, which exploded because infinite density made it unstable...

Shows what I know. Good job, and nice find (the video).


Can you educate me on how this is possible? I'm confused. If there is nothing at all, then there can be no nature of nothing, because there can be no states of anything with nothing, right? I am REALLY confused. :meh:

Watch the video.
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Postby Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:18 pm

Chile and Argentina wrote:
Keron wrote:
Huh, and here I thought all of the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, which exploded because infinite density made it unstable...

Shows what I know. Good job, and nice find (the video).


Can you educate me on how this is possible? I'm confused. If there is nothing at all, then there can be no nature of nothing, because there can be no states of anything with nothing, right? I am REALLY confused. :meh:


Your confusion comes from the fact that he is equivocating on the meaning of ''nothing''.

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Postby Cu Math » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:19 pm

No option for my belief I see....Malevolent Design is a valid theory! Evolution could not have happened without the corrupting influence of Cthulhu. Man comes not from apes, but from Dagon!
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:23 pm

Keron wrote:
Conscentia wrote:[... science ...]


Huh, and here I thought all of the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, which exploded because infinite density made it unstable...

Shows what I know. Good job, and nice find (the video).

Er, that's true*, however the singularity itself had to come from somewhere. And that somewhere was nowhere.

*Edit: Except the explosion part. That's not true. Inflation isn't an explosion.
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Postby Scorpions on the moon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:24 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Keron wrote:
Huh, and here I thought all of the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, which exploded because infinite density made it unstable...

Shows what I know. Good job, and nice find (the video).

Er, it did, however the singularity itself had to come from somewhere. And that somewhere was nowhere.


Singularity didn't even exist.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:25 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Keron wrote:
Huh, and here I thought all of the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, which exploded because infinite density made it unstable...

Shows what I know. Good job, and nice find (the video).

Er, that's true, however the singularity itself had to come from somewhere. And that somewhere was nowhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfWEPu0w-7w
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Postby Keron » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:26 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Keron wrote:
Huh, and here I thought all of the mass of the Universe was concentrated into a single point, which exploded because infinite density made it unstable...

Shows what I know. Good job, and nice find (the video).

Er, that's true, however the singularity itself had to come from somewhere. And that somewhere was nowhere.


Sorry, I meant that that's all I thought there was to it. I never bothered to think that there was something before that singularity. Or, well, "before" (nothing).
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:28 pm

Cu Math wrote:No option for my belief I see....Malevolent Design is a valid theory! Evolution could not have happened without the corrupting influence of Cthulhu. Man comes not from apes, but from Dagon!

It's true that man does not come from apes, but that's just because apes and humans have a common ancestor. I do not accept your Dagon theory. Now if you would have spoken about the mighty Azag-thoth as the origin of mankind, I might have been persuaded.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Conscentia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:32 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Cu Math wrote:No option for my belief I see....Malevolent Design is a valid theory! Evolution could not have happened without the corrupting influence of Cthulhu. Man comes not from apes, but from Dagon!

It's true that man does not come from apes, but that's just because apes and humans have a common ancestor. I do not accept your Dagon theory. Now if you would have spoken about the mighty Azag-thoth as the origin of mankind, I might have been persuaded.

Er... hominids are apes.
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Postby Hathradic States » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:14 pm

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:29 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:It's true that man does not come from apes, but that's just because apes and humans have a common ancestor. I do not accept your Dagon theory. Now if you would have spoken about the mighty Azag-thoth as the origin of mankind, I might have been persuaded.

Er... hominids are apes.

Just wanting to make sure that we wouldn't get the silly old "if humans evolved out of apes, why do gorillas in the zoo never turn in humans" non-argument often regurgitated by those simpletons that just lack the mental capacity to understand the mechanism of evolution. The hominid that resulted in the current batch of Homo Sapiens (a mixture of mainly Cro-Magnons and genetic material from other types of humans that have since disappeared, such as the Neanderthal) and apes such as the previously mentioned gorilla and the chimpanzee is not amongst us anymore.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:31 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Er... hominids are apes.

Just wanting to make sure that we wouldn't get the silly old "if humans evolved out of apes, why do gorillas in the zoo never turn in humans" non-argument often regurgitated by those simpletons that just lack the mental capacity to understand the mechanism of evolution. The hominid that resulted in the current batch of Homo Sapiens (a mixture of mainly Cro-Magnons and genetic material from other types of humans that have since disappeared, such as the Neanderthal) and apes such as the previously mentioned gorilla and the chimpanzee is not amongst us anymore.

They do turn into humans, the gorillas, I mean, but only on Friday and Saturday nights, when they go out on the town. Why do you think it's next to impossible to get a table at a decent restaurant? The gorillas are in there spending the zoos' money.
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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:33 pm

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Postby Euroslavia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:34 pm

Chile and Argentina wrote:Hey internet, RELIGION!!!! :lol:

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Postby Euroslavia » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:35 pm

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You've been repeatedly posting nothing but picture responses in multiple threads. You're really pushing the pic spam rule.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:37 pm

Euroslavia wrote:
Helvereos wrote:

You've been repeatedly posting nothing but picture responses in multiple threads. You're really pushing the pic spam rule.

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Postby Helvereos » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:37 pm

Euroslavia wrote:
Helvereos wrote:

You've been repeatedly posting nothing but picture responses in multiple threads. You're really pushing the pic spam rule.


I can't use pictures to convey my meaning?

I thought pictures spoke a thousand words.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:38 pm

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Euroslavia wrote:You've been repeatedly posting nothing but picture responses in multiple threads. You're really pushing the pic spam rule.


I can't use pictures to convey my meaning?

I thought pictures spoke a thousand words.

In this case only 19 words.
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