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What do you believe in?

Darwinian Evolution
477
67%
Young Earth Creationism
39
6%
Old Earth Creationism
25
4%
Intelligent Design
48
7%
Theistic Evolution
88
12%
Other
30
4%
 
Total votes : 707

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Postby Confederation of Socialist States » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:45 pm

Utceforp wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:I believe he believes is nothing.
If nothing exists, and I can't prove I exist, I don't exist?
*fades into nothingness*

Since life needs to exist to make observations, and since we can make observations, no matter what we observe, whether right or wrong, leads us to the conclusion that life exists. Since the only observations I can prove have been made are my observations, all I can prove is that I exist. You guys might be hallucinations or a glitch in the matrix or evil penguins or whatever, but I know that I exist. In short, I think therefore I am.


I guess there is one thing you can prove...

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Postby Utceforp » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:45 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Fine, I'll add them in the correct places.
No matter how awesome they are, they don't beat Odin. And neither one of them beats a dragon.


Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Liam Neeson, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White.


Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Ungoliant, Morgoth, Manwe, Liam Neeson, Eru Iluvatar.
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Postby Hyperion » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:46 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Liam Neeson, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White.


Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Ungoliant, Morgoth, Manwe, Liam Neeson, Eru Iluvatar, Bruce Lee.


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Postby Hyperion » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:46 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Liam Neeson, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White.


Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Bruce Lee
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Budget: 20%
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:47 pm

Hyperion wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Liam Neeson, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White.

DELETE YOURSELF FOUL LORD OF THE RINGS IDIOT

Gandalf For President!

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Postby Utceforp » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:48 pm

Hyperion wrote:
Utceforp wrote:


Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Bruce Lee


Go back to the shadow!

People who don't like Tolkien, Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Ungoliant, Morgoth, Manwe, Liam Neeson, Eru Iluvatar.
Signatures are so 2014.

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Postby Shaggai » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:48 pm

Hyperion wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Liam Neeson, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White.


DELETE YOURSELF FOUL LORD OF THE RINGS IDIOT

SHUT UP THE LORD OF THE RINGS IS AWESOME!
Utceforp wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Liam Neeson, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White.


Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Ungoliant, Morgoth, Manwe, Liam Neeson, Eru Iluvatar.

Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Jormungandr, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Ungoliant, Morgoth, Manwe, Liam Neeson, Eru Iluvatar, Odin, Dragon
There.
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Postby Utceforp » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:49 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Hyperion wrote:
DELETE YOURSELF FOUL LORD OF THE RINGS IDIOT

SHUT UP THE LORD OF THE RINGS IS AWESOME!
Utceforp wrote:
Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Ungoliant, Morgoth, Manwe, Liam Neeson, Eru Iluvatar.

Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Jormungandr, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Ungoliant, Morgoth, Manwe, Liam Neeson, Eru Iluvatar, Odin, Dragon
There.

Liam Neeson is a god in two religions, and Eru Iluvatar is a god worshipped by other gods. I think they beat Odin.
Signatures are so 2014.

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Postby Shaggai » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:51 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Shaggai wrote:SHUT UP THE LORD OF THE RINGS IS AWESOME!

Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Jormungandr, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White, Ungoliant, Morgoth, Manwe, Liam Neeson, Eru Iluvatar, Odin, Dragon
There.

Liam Neeson is a god in two religions, and Eru Iluvatar is a god worshipped by other gods. I think they beat Odin.

NO. NOTHING BEATS ODIN EXCEPT DRAGON. AND MAYBE JORMUNGANDR. BUT NOT REALLY. JUST DRAGON.

Eru Illuvatar is God, anyway, so that's just below Chuck Norris. And Aslan is Jesus, who is God.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:55 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Liam Neeson is a god in two religions, and Eru Iluvatar is a god worshipped by other gods. I think they beat Odin.

NO. NOTHING BEATS ODIN EXCEPT DRAGON. AND MAYBE JORMUNGANDR. BUT NOT REALLY. JUST DRAGON.

Eru Illuvatar is God, anyway, so that's just below Chuck Norris. And Aslan is Jesus, who is God.

A bunch of dwarves could beat a dragon.
Sauron's Winged Nazgûl ride them as if tame.

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Postby Shaggai » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:58 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Shaggai wrote:NO. NOTHING BEATS ODIN EXCEPT DRAGON. AND MAYBE JORMUNGANDR. BUT NOT REALLY. JUST DRAGON.

Eru Illuvatar is God, anyway, so that's just below Chuck Norris. And Aslan is Jesus, who is God.

A bunch of dwarves could beat a dragon.
Sauron's Winged Nazgûl ride them as if tame.

Those are fire-drakes. They diverge at the same time as wyverns. They don't count as dragons.

yes, I know, No True Dragon. I don't care. I'm talking about the cool type of dragon.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:00 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Conscentia wrote:A bunch of dwarves could beat a dragon.
Sauron's Winged Nazgûl ride them as if tame.

Those are fire-drakes. They diverge at the same time as wyverns. They don't count as dragons.

yes, I know, No True Dragon. I don't care. I'm talking about the cool type of dragon.

We should return to the topic.

What, like Smaug the Magnificent? - killed by an arrow. Gandalf > Dragon

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Postby Utceforp » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:04 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Those are fire-drakes. They diverge at the same time as wyverns. They don't count as dragons.

yes, I know, No True Dragon. I don't care. I'm talking about the cool type of dragon.

We should return to the topic.

What, like Smaug the Magnificent? - killed by an arrow. Gandalf > Dragon

Also, Morgoth created dragons. Morgoth<dragon.

I think all the creationists quit to shove corks in their ears and shout "la-la-la I can't hear you!", so there's not much left to argue about besides which Tolkien/Norse Mythology characters and actors are the best.
Signatures are so 2014.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:15 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Conscentia wrote:We should return to the topic.

What, like Smaug the Magnificent? - killed by an arrow. Gandalf > Dragon

Also, Morgoth created dragons. Morgoth<dragon.

I think all the creationists quit to shove corks in their ears and shout "la-la-la I can't hear you!", so there's not much left to argue about besides which Tolkien/Norse Mythology characters and actors are the best.

You've all got it all wrong.

It's more of a rock, paper, scissors type thing.

And Hobbits, apparently, are the paper to all of the really big rocks out there.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:20 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Also, Morgoth created dragons. Morgoth<dragon.
I think all the creationists quit to shove corks in their ears and shout "la-la-la I can't hear you!", so there's not much left to argue about besides which Tolkien/Norse Mythology characters and actors are the best.

You've all got it all wrong.
It's more of a rock, paper, scissors type thing.
And Hobbits, apparently, are the paper to all of the really big rocks out there.

In case of emergency, Break Glass: [glass] Hobbits [/glass]
Gandalf has the hammer.

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Postby Hyperion » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:21 pm

At this point we wonder why Creationist don't take us seriously...
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:22 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:You've all got it all wrong.
It's more of a rock, paper, scissors type thing.
And Hobbits, apparently, are the paper to all of the really big rocks out there.

In case of emergency, Break Glass: [glass] Hobbits [/glass]
Gandalf has the hammer.

Unfortunately he dropped it somewhere under Moria.
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Postby Rand al Thor » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:24 pm

Evolution, everything else is just myth and/or a mental disorder

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Postby Breadknife » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:28 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Fine, I'll add them in the correct places.
No matter how awesome they are, they don't beat Odin. And neither one of them beats a dragon.


Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Liam Neeson, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White.


Something tells me that at the ultimate end of that ultimate list it should feature Mr. Rogers.

(At some point way beyond Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White and then Monty Python's Holy Grail's Black Knight...)
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:34 pm

Breadknife wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
Hobbit, Human, Obama, Nord, Dwarf, Elf, Dark Elf, Lizard man, Batman, Spiderman, Wizard, Unicorn (Pegasus diverges at this point), Alicorn, Basilisk, Wyvern, Alduin, Dovahkiin, god, Thor, God, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Liam Neeson, Odin, Jormungandr, Dragon, Lord Sauron, Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White.


Something tells me that at the ultimate end of that ultimate list it should feature Mr. Rogers.

(At some point way beyond Gandalf the Grey, Gandalf the White and then Monty Python's Holy Grail's Black Knight...)

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Postby Hyperion » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:42 pm

It began with me saying Dwarvenism instead of Dwarvinism.
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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:46 pm

Rand al Thor wrote:Evolution, everything else is just myth and/or a mental disorder

Oh get off it with the "mental disorder" bit.

Lamarkianism is not a mental disorder, it's just wrong.
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Postby The Holy Michigan Empire » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:49 pm

Hyperion wrote:At this point we wonder why Creationist don't take us seriously...


I take you seriously.

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Postby The Holy Michigan Empire » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:52 pm

Conscentia wrote:I'd be interested in knowing if there are any non-Jewish/non-Christian/non-Muslim creationists on NSG.


I think it is possible.

Probably deists though who voted on god driven evolution.

Or hindus. . . .but I never checked up on their creation myths.

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