Creationism vs. Evolution

[Dragonisia]

is anything really real? Or all we just ripples on a membrane?

Oh fuck, don't go into philosophy.

Actually it's theoretical quantum physics and the mostly debunked string theory. But we'll proceed.

[Blasveck]

I apologize if I am being rude, but who is ken ham jr?

Take a lucky guess.

Okay, I messed up. I actually meant Ken Ham. What does a Biblical literalist have to do with me?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Rex, please do me a favor and stab me now with the sharpest metal object you can find, assuming such a metal object is even real to begin with.

Would a sharpened banana do the job?

Well, you see, based on what I have read in this thread, it all depends on my physical perception of the banana, not on its actual sharpened state. Also since my time perception may not be equal to yours, I may be bored to death before it even reaches me.

[Anachronous Rex]

is anything really real?

Rex, please do me a favor and stab me now with the sharpest metal object you can find, assuming such a metal object is even real to begin with.

Shit... all I have handy is a flash drive...

Oh well, prepare to get stabbed in the eye by pirated Game of Thrones.

[With Teeth]

Take a lucky guess.

Okay, I messed up. I actually meant Ken Ham. What does a Biblical literalist have to do with me?

It doesn't.

[Dragonisia]

*creates a wormhole to get banana to Soldati senza confini more quickly*

They are implying I am Ken Ham, I think. But I may be wrong. It may just be an illusion.

[New Libertarian States]

Would a sharpened banana do the job?

Well, you see, based on what I have read in this thread, it all depends on my physical perception of the banana, not on its actual sharpened state. Also since my time perception may not be equal to yours, I may be bored to death before it even reaches me.

So we're in a M night Shamalan film, and we find out that the banana was just a figment of our imiganations?
What a twist....

[Blasveck]

Okay, I messed up. I actually meant Ken Ham. What does a Biblical literalist have to do with me?

It doesn't.

Nevermind

[With Teeth]

It doesn't.

So why the hell did you call me ken ham jr? I have no connection to the guy.

I didn't call you Ken Ham Jr..

[Dragonisia]

It doesn't.

So why the hell did you call me ken ham jr? I have no connection to the guy.

*Hands Blasveck the 'not following the conversation quite right' award.*

[Blasveck]

So why the hell did you call me ken ham jr? I have no connection to the guy.

I didn't call you Ken Ham Jr..

Nevermind. Fault on my part

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, you see, based on what I have read in this thread, it all depends on my physical perception of the banana, not on its actual sharpened state. Also since my time perception may not be equal to yours, I may be bored to death before it even reaches me.

So we're in a M night Shamalan film, and we find out that the banana was just a figment of our imiganations?
What a twist....

I know right? I mean, now suddenly we are in 'murica being chased by dangerous bank robbers. The Shamalan film was just a thing from our imaginations made out of our imaginations, so basically the banana was having an inception moment.

[Blasveck]

So why the hell did you call me ken ham jr? I have no connection to the guy.

*Hands Blasveck the 'not following the conversation quite right' award.*

I accept! I would like to thank the academy, and...wait. I think you deserve that award too.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Rex, please do me a favor and stab me now with the sharpest metal object you can find, assuming such a metal object is even real to begin with.

Shit... all I have handy is a flash drive...

Oh well, prepare to get stabbed in the eye by pirated Game of Thrones.

[New Libertarian States]

So we're in a M night Shamalan film, and we find out that the banana was just a figment of our imiganations?
What a twist....

I know right? I mean, now suddenly we are in 'murica being chased by dangerous bank robbers. The Shamalan film was just a thing from our imaginations made out of our imaginations, so basically the banana was having an inception moment.

Deeper in the hole we go.....

[With Teeth]

So we're in a M night Shamalan film, and we find out that the banana was just a figment of our imiganations?
What a twist....

I know right? I mean, now suddenly we are in 'murica being chased by dangerous bank robbers. The Shamalan film was just a thing from our imaginations made out of our imaginations, so basically the banana was having an inception moment.

If you guys wanna derail, you can go here.

[Blasveck]

So we're in a M night Shamalan film, and we find out that the banana was just a figment of our imiganations?
What a twist....

I know right? I mean, now suddenly we are in 'murica being chased by dangerous bank robbers. The Shamalan film was just a thing from our imaginations made out of our imaginations, so basically the banana was having an inception moment.

And now we're in purgatory. Way to go, dragon

[Dragonisia]

*Hands Blasveck the 'not following the conversation quite right' award.*

I accept! I would like to thank the academy, and...wait. I think you deserve that award too.

I've a shelf full already.

[Need a Name]

I know right? I mean, now suddenly we are in 'murica being chased by dangerous bank robbers. The Shamalan film was just a thing from our imaginations made out of our imaginations, so basically the banana was having an inception moment.

If you guys wanna derail, you can go here.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that.

[Seperates]

There is no such thing as proven science unless you can duplicate it in front of your face. Can you duplicate the age of the earth in front of your face and sit through it every moment of its existence from end to beginning?

Oh wait.. you're human.

So no, it's a hypothesis based on indirect observations... and anything beyond that is a religion.

The nuclear atomic device is a hypothesis. Your computer is also based on hypothesis. The internet is also a hypothesis. Most, if not all the products of the modern world are based on hypothesis, based on similar methodology and reasoning. We can duplicate and observe nuclear decay in other radioactive particles (which is what causes radiation sickness when exposed to), so there is no reason to assume that these differ in anyway. These are the reproduced results, this is the theory. Technically speaking, nothing is ever 'proven' in science. You can only 'show beyond any reasonable doubt'. And the relative age of the Earth has so far been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Could this be overturned? Absolutely. But it will likely overturned by scientists who aren't even working on that specific question, if/when that does happen. Don't just sit there are say that "Well, time was non-linear." Go! Show us beyond a reasonable doubt that time was non-linear and that because of that our perception of the age of the Earth is faulty. Achieve something for the scientific community. Don't just assume it and then subsequently assume that our previous perception is wrong. And if they are honest, they will be glad, because in showing them that they were wrong they will have increased in their knowledge, from which they can go to discover even more things.

[Blasveck]

I accept! I would like to thank the academy, and...wait. I think you deserve that award too.

I've a shelf full already.

And praytell, what awards have you won?

[Dragonisia]

There is no such thing as proven science unless you can duplicate it in front of your face. Can you duplicate the age of the earth in front of your face and sit through it every moment of its existence from end to beginning?

Oh wait.. you're human.

So no, it's a hypothesis based on indirect observations... and anything beyond that is a religion.

The nuclear atomic device is a hypothesis. Your computer is also based on hypothesis. The internet is also a hypothesis.

Wrong on all counts. Those are known functioning practical devices, as we perceive them. They were a hypothesis, now they work.

Most, if not all the products of the modern world are based on hypothesis, based on similar methodology and reasoning. We can duplicate and observe nuclear decay in other radioactive particles (which is what causes radiation sickness when exposed to), so there is no reason to assume that these differ in anyway.

Sure there is, prove to me why scientific inquiry into the validity of these claims is not to be continued if there are still variables to be questions? The box is not closed. We must think out of it for science to actually progress.

These are the reproduced results, this is the theory. Technically speaking, nothing is ever 'proven' in science. You can only 'show beyond any reasonable doubt'.

Who defines reasonable? The man with a closed mind?

And the relative age of the Earth has so far been proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

According to you, in light of information to which you specifically have access. I might have the same information and simply see a different possibility which leaves me with doubt. Disagreement has often resulted in scientific process many times. And in many cases people with conflicting ideas have had them tested and the one that believed they were correct were disproven. Human intellect, regardless as to whose it is, is not iron clad.

Could this be overturned? Absolutely. But it will likely overturned by scientists who aren't even working on that specific question, if/when that does happen.

You are correct. My greatest hope for any real measurement of past temporal compression might be in the study of Tachyons, assuming they are proven to actually exist as defined.

Don't just sit there are say that "Well, time was non-linear." Go! Show us beyond a reasonable doubt that time was non-linear and that because of that our perception of the age of the Earth is faulty. Achieve something for the scientific community. Don't just assume it and then subsequently assume that our previous perception is wrong. And if they are honest, they will be glad, because in showing them that they were wrong they will have increased in their knowledge, from which they can go to discover even more things.

If only I had chosen that specific path in life and had the resources to perform such a task. I'd probably enjoy it thoroughly, but alas, I am not at Cern. However, others are taking up the task. Such as the ones using laser telemetry to try to account for gravometric wave distortions thrown off by black holes. So there is hope, other than me. I'm not the only inquiring mind out there, and the same science can be achieved from many different angles of approach and tangents inquiry. I would accept your challenge, but have no means to do so.

[Dragonisia]

I've a shelf full already.

And praytell, what awards have you won?

The same one I gave you.. and which you are getting another of thanks to this inquiry.

Also, Purgatory is not the final destination.. buahaha.

[Blasveck]

And praytell, what awards have you won?

The same one I gave you.. and which you are getting another of thanks to this inquiry.

Also, Purgatory is not the final destination.. buahaha.

Wait...shit. It's late m'kay. I think I need sleep.

[Dragonisia]

The same one I gave you.. and which you are getting another of thanks to this inquiry.

Also, Purgatory is not the final destination.. buahaha.

Wait...shit. It's late m'kay. I think I need sleep.

Apparently BED.. is the final destination then.. kinky. I think I'll stay here, but nice debate. Most of the time it was rather to the point and interesting. Sleep well. May you dream of rampant causality violations.