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What do you believe in?

Darwinian Evolution
477
67%
Young Earth Creationism
39
6%
Old Earth Creationism
25
4%
Intelligent Design
48
7%
Theistic Evolution
88
12%
Other
30
4%
 
Total votes : 707

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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:31 am

Need a name wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Which, you know, he's done, which your response has been, to the effect of "Your wrong, your wrong, time is non linear, nah nah nah nah boo boo"

This is getting out of hand, new topic, Chuck Norris.


Fuck Chuck Norris. He's insane too!
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Postby With Teeth » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:32 am

Dragonisia wrote:There is no such thing as proven science unless you can duplicate it in front of your face.


Nope.
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Postby Need a Name » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:32 am

Blasveck wrote:
Need a name wrote:This is getting out of hand, new topic, Chuck Norris.


Fuck Chuck Norris. He's insane too!

WHAT?!!??!?!?? :blink:
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:32 am

Dragonisia wrote:There is no such thing as proven science unless you can duplicate it in front of your face. Can you duplicate the age of the earth in front of your face and sit through it every moment of its existence from end to beginning?

Oh wait.. you're human.

So no, it's a hypothesis based on indirect observations... and anything beyond that is a religion.


And yet you choose to believe that a meteor caused the flood, when you weren't there either.

What's the word? Hypocrite?
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Dragonisia
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Postby Dragonisia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:33 am

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:
I may have missed them. THere was a lot to cover. If you wish to restate you may. Childish? The one insulting others' intellects calls my behavior childish? Please.. hypocrite, find some ground to tread on first.

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.

Now, provide maths describing this hitherto unaccounted for time-dilation.

Remembering, of course, that the basic tenant of relativity is that there is no uniquely real present moment, and that all time-dilation is relive to the observer, who perceives no change unto them self.


The only reason we have that is because all observations are localized.. so until we bring other observers from outside our heliosphere and our present time into the discussion, we do not know accurately just how time flows. Again, all it's saying is that... time is what you see. But if we're going to make predictions about past or present we have to take into assumption the behavior of time during periods we do not observe and so.. are not relative to ourselves.

I personally am not a temporal physicists or a physicist of any type, merely a hobbyist and I do know that there are theories that dilation may have occurred during the more energetic moments of the big bang. If they did, we would have no way of knowing such a dialation's impact to the present. The same is true for black hole eddies that have not yet rippled through our local space from when black holes go into a decaying orbit collision.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:33 am

Need a name wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Fuck Chuck Norris. He's insane too!

WHAT?!!??!?!?? :blink:


Kinda....He's old and...idk
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Postby New Libertarian States » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:33 am

Blasveck wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:There is no such thing as proven science unless you can duplicate it in front of your face. Can you duplicate the age of the earth in front of your face and sit through it every moment of its existence from end to beginning?

Oh wait.. you're human.

So no, it's a hypothesis based on indirect observations... and anything beyond that is a religion.


And yet you choose to believe that a meteor caused the flood, when you weren't there either.

What's the word? Hypocrite?

Silly Blas.
He's obivously a time lord.
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:34 am

New Libertarian States wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
And yet you choose to believe that a meteor caused the flood, when you weren't there either.

What's the word? Hypocrite?

Silly Blas.
He's obivously a time lord.


Blas? I like that.
And what reincarnation is he?
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Postby Need a Name » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:34 am

Blasveck wrote:
Need a name wrote:WHAT?!!??!?!?? :blink:


Kinda....He's old and...idk

Okay, never mind.
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Postby Dragonisia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:35 am

New Libertarian States wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
And yet you choose to believe that a meteor caused the flood, when you weren't there either.

What's the word? Hypocrite?

Silly Blas.
He's obivously a time lord.


Not believe. It's just a theory. No better than your own. I've never claimed I was right.. once. Only the rest of you have.

I am reincarnation Pi.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:36 am

Dragonisia wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Silly Blas.
He's obivously a time lord.


Not believe. It's just a theory. No better than your own. I've never claimed I was right.. once. Only the rest of you have.

It's a hypothesis.
Theory implies its been observed.
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:36 am

Dragonisia wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Silly Blas.
He's obivously a time lord.


Not believe. It's just a theory. No better than your own. I've never claimed I was right.. once. Only the rest of you have.

I am reincarnation Pi.


"It's just a theory"

Do you even know what the fuck a theory actually is?
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Postby Dragonisia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:36 am

New Libertarian States wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:
Not believe. It's just a theory. No better than your own. I've never claimed I was right.. once. Only the rest of you have.

It's a hypothesis.
Theory implies its been observed.


I stand corrected.. hypothesis.
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Postby With Teeth » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:36 am

Blasveck wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:There is no such thing as proven science unless you can duplicate it in front of your face. Can you duplicate the age of the earth in front of your face and sit through it every moment of its existence from end to beginning?

Oh wait.. you're human.

So no, it's a hypothesis based on indirect observations... and anything beyond that is a religion.


And yet you choose to believe that a meteor caused the flood, when you weren't there either.

What's the word? Hypocrite?


Ken Ham Jr. needs to be quiet.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:37 am

Dragonisia wrote:
New Libertarian States wrote:Silly Blas.
He's obivously a time lord.


Not believe. It's just a theory. No better than your own. I've never claimed I was right.. once. Only the rest of you have.

I am reincarnation Pi.


I just....
Is this real?
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Postby Dragonisia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:37 am

is anything really real? Or all we just ripples on a membrane?
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Capital: Dragonisia
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:37 am

Dragonisia wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:No, once again, when you increase the magnitude of the impact, you increase the amount of water that is displaced as vapor. The effect is a larger, more energetic, explosion. The peaks of mountains would not be flooded, they would be fried.


To be exact, the peaks would probably be fried first.. the a combined tidal wave and rain (water impact= massive evaporation).. might flood them.. depending on whether or not the altitude of said mountains wasn't sheered by the blast wave echoing through the atmosphere around the planet at hypersonic speeds. Will something survive on the other side of the planet? Unknown.

I guess I didn't explain clearly enough: beyond a certain point, increasing the size of the impact decreases the size of the tsunami. And, actually, the biggest tsunami would come as a result of water rebounding after cascading into the vacuum created by the impact. This clearly has a fairly definite maximum size.

Also, an explosion of the magnitude you describe will actually blast away much of the planet's atmosphere, as well as reducing water, not just to vapor, but to its component elements. And, actually, beyond that, it will strip away their electrons turning them into a plasma.

It would be millions of years before the planet recovered.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:38 am

With Teeth wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
And yet you choose to believe that a meteor caused the flood, when you weren't there either.

What's the word? Hypocrite?


Ken Ham Jr. needs to be quiet.


I apologize if I am being rude, but who is ken ham jr?
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Postby With Teeth » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:38 am

Dragonisia wrote:is anything really real? Or all we just ripples on a membrane?


What if this is all the dream of a sleeping butterfly?!
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:38 am

Dragonisia wrote:is anything really real?


:meh:

Rex, please do me a favor and stab me now with the sharpest metal object you can find, assuming such a metal object is even real to begin with.
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"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

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Postby New Libertarian States » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:38 am

Dragonisia wrote:is anything really real? Or all we just ripples on a membrane?

Oh fuck, don't go into philosophy.
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

Literally a Horse
Not a Libertarian, just like the name.[benevolentthomas] horse is a defender leader in multiple region- whore organizations.
23:07 Unibot If an article could have a sack of testicles - it would.

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Postby With Teeth » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:38 am

Blasveck wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Ken Ham Jr. needs to be quiet.


I apologize if I am being rude, but who is ken ham jr?


Take a lucky guess.
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Postby Need a Name » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:39 am

With Teeth wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:is anything really real? Or all we just ripples on a membrane?


What if this is all the dream of a sleeping butterfly?!

You just made me rethink me life.
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"Better to fight for something than live for nothing." -- George S. Patton Jr.

"Do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day." -- Jesus Christ

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Postby New Libertarian States » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:39 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Dragonisia wrote:is anything really real?


:meh:

Rex, please do me a favor and stab me now with the sharpest metal object you can find, assuming such a metal object is even real to begin with.

Would a sharpened banana do the job?
by Liriena » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of "No one cares".
It is the music of a people
who are sick NK waving its dick.
When the beating of our ignore cannon
echoes the beating of our facepalms,
there is a life about to start
when we nuke Pyongyang!

Literally a Horse
Not a Libertarian, just like the name.[benevolentthomas] horse is a defender leader in multiple region- whore organizations.
23:07 Unibot If an article could have a sack of testicles - it would.

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Postby Dragonisia » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:39 am

More than likely, it was a local event :P.

As I said before, such an event creating the right conditions to cause a truly "global" in our sense of the word.. flood.. is very tiny. Moutains would have to be flatter smoother earth basically.
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Capital: Dragonisia
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