Edward Snowden Discussion Thread

[The Godly Nations]

How do you know puppets are used?

It is a suspiciously high amount of votes for death/punishment. Have that many people talked in this thread?

So around twenty percent rightly sees that this man should be put to death for not only leaking information, but information that embarrasses the government and discredit our president and our entire institution, and because you disagree, they must be the results of puppets.

[Nore Empire]

How do you know puppets are used?

You know they're being used.

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*Pushes button.*Now, you were all just walking along and some really weird man walked by...this is what happens when movies and special effects make up mix together with flashing light! Weird shit, just like that Gold fish!

[Nore Empire]

14 year old makes reference to MBI, yay for me!

[Nore Empire]

It is a suspiciously high amount of votes for death/punishment. Have that many people talked in this thread?

So around twenty percent rightly sees that this man should be put to death for not only leaking information, but information that embarrasses the government and discredit our president and our entire institution, and because you disagree, they must be the results of puppets.

I actually meant the overall amount of votes. Have that many people talked in this thread? Doubt it.

[Hallistar]

It is a suspiciously high amount of votes for death/punishment. Have that many people talked in this thread?

So around twenty percent rightly sees that this man should be put to death for not only leaking information, but information that embarrasses the government and discredit our president and our entire institution, and because you disagree, they must be the results of puppets.

So embarassing the government and the president merits quartering the guy?

[The Godly Nations]

So around twenty percent rightly sees that this man should be put to death for not only leaking information, but information that embarrasses the government and discredit our president and our entire institution, and because you disagree, they must be the results of puppets.

I actually meant the overall amount of votes. Have that many people talked in this thread? Doubt it.

I am talking about the votes.

[The Godly Nations]

So around twenty percent rightly sees that this man should be put to death for not only leaking information, but information that embarrasses the government and discredit our president and our entire institution, and because you disagree, they must be the results of puppets.

So embarassing the government and the president merits quartering the guy?

No, that would raise even more suspicion against our government, however wrongly. My plan is that we let him off for a few years, let him settle to comfortable obscurity, and then murder him in some backalley. We will, of course, have to dispose of his body into the middle of the ocean in the utmost secrecy.

[Nore Empire]

I actually meant the overall amount of votes. Have that many people talked in this thread? Doubt it.

I am talking about the votes.

Around half of the 350+ posts here have to be the same person, that's 175 posts. Out of those 175 if one post per person was what happened than only 58 people should have voted. The other post make 58 more, that's 116...there are far more votes than people posting. And if people posted twice, that number is cut in half, if they posted more? Even less posts.

[Des-Bal]

The ethics and morals of the Human race as a whole, which are becoming non-existent. People don't want to know things so they vote death to a young man who WAS doing the right thing by releasing information about these projects...if they were used against other nations, do you know what the US could become? If they were used in a bad manner[like to murder people] or if the world finally went insane and established death penalties on homosexuals, would you let that happen? If I told you there was a 1% chance you would die because they made these programs, would you want them to continue?

Your ethics are not my ethics. Your morals are not my morals. There are plenty of people out there who think it's entirely ethical to execute homosexuals.

And I'm not even entertaining that asinine little tangent. What if I told you there was a 99% chance that you would die because they didn't disband all world governments and declare me supreme god king of all I survey?

[Hallistar]

So embarassing the government and the president merits quartering the guy?

No, that would raise even more suspicion against our government, however wrongly. My plan is that we let him off for a few years, let him settle to comfortable obscurity, and then murder him in some backalley. We will, of course, have to dispose of his body into the middle of the ocean in the utmost secrecy.

Either you're being sarcastic, or I should be concerned about you.

[Nore Empire]

So embarassing the government and the president merits quartering the guy?

No, that would raise even more suspicion against our government, however wrongly. My plan is that we let him off for a few years, let him settle to comfortable obscurity, and then murder him in some backalley. We will, of course, have to dispose of his body into the middle of the ocean in the utmost secrecy.

If he was Megatron we wouldn't be complaining...we wouldn't know until they tried to take over the world!

[The Godly Nations]

The ethics and morals of the Human race as a whole, which are becoming non-existent. People don't want to know things so they vote death to a young man who WAS doing the right thing by releasing information about these projects...if they were used against other nations, do you know what the US could become? If they were used in a bad manner[like to murder people] or if the world finally went insane and established death penalties on homosexuals, would you let that happen? If I told you there was a 1% chance you would die because they made these programs, would you want them to continue?

Your ethics are not my ethics. Your morals are not my morals. There are plenty of people out there who think it's entirely ethical to execute homosexuals.

And I'm not even entertaining that asinine little tangent. What if I told you there was a 99% chance that you would die because they didn't disband all world governments and declare me supreme god king of all I survey?

As a Utilitarian, one may say that your morals are wrong, just as murdering homosexuals is wrong, and supporting this is wrong.

[Des-Bal]

As a Utilitarian, one may say that your morals are wrong, just as murdering homosexuals is wrong, and supporting this is wrong.

Given that Utilitarianism is just a school of ethics one could prove my point.

[The Godly Nations]

No, that would raise even more suspicion against our government, however wrongly. My plan is that we let him off for a few years, let him settle to comfortable obscurity, and then murder him in some backalley. We will, of course, have to dispose of his body into the middle of the ocean in the utmost secrecy.

Either you're being sarcastic, or I should be concerned about you.

There is nothing to be concern about- I think this is the only reasonable way to punish him, whilst, at the same time, not raising suspicion against our government.

[The Godly Nations]

As a Utilitarian, one may say that your morals are wrong, just as murdering homosexuals is wrong, and supporting this is wrong.

Given that Utilitarianism is just a school of ethics one could prove my point.

Given that your relativism is another, and that Utilitarianism posit that there is a universal moral code, no, it doesn't prove your point.

[Frisivisia]

The ethics and morals of the Human race as a whole, which are becoming non-existent. People don't want to know things so they vote death to a young man who WAS doing the right thing by releasing information about these projects...if they were used against other nations, do you know what the US could become? If they were used in a bad manner[like to murder people] or if the world finally went insane and established death penalties on homosexuals, would you let that happen? If I told you there was a 1% chance you would die because they made these programs, would you want them to continue?

Your ethics are not my ethics. Your morals are not my morals. There are plenty of people out there who think it's entirely ethical to execute homosexuals.

And I'm not even entertaining that asinine little tangent. What if I told you there was a 99% chance that you would die because they didn't disband all world governments and declare me supreme god king of all I survey?

MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE LEGALIZE MURDER 2013

[The Marxist State]

I chose "other" because what he did wasn't actually groundbreaking information. It's been known that the NSA has been collecting call records since at least 2006, he just dredged up some old info and reminded everyone about it.

That said, I don't think he should be charged, and I hold that view for any "whistleblower," including Bradley Manning.

[Des-Bal]

Given that your relativism is another, and that Utilitarianism posit that there is a universal moral code, no, it doesn't prove your point.

There are many schools of ethics, your argument boils down to "but this one is mine."

[The Godly Nations]

Your ethics are not my ethics. Your morals are not my morals. There are plenty of people out there who think it's entirely ethical to execute homosexuals.

And I'm not even entertaining that asinine little tangent. What if I told you there was a 99% chance that you would die because they didn't disband all world governments and declare me supreme god king of all I survey?

MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE LEGALIZE MURDER 2013

Just because morals are relative, doesn't mean that the well being of all within a society is. A citizen is better off in a society that does not allow people to murder each other than a society that does for the obvious reason that they have a safeguard against their being murdered.

[Frisivisia]

Given that your relativism is another, and that Utilitarianism posit that there is a universal moral code, no, it doesn't prove your point.

There are many schools of ethics, your argument boils down to "but this one is mine."

My code of ethics says murder is okay LEGALIZE MURDER 2013.

[Frisivisia]

MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE LEGALIZE MURDER 2013

Just because morals are relative, doesn't mean that the well being of all within a society is. A citizen is better off in a society that does not allow people to murder each other than a society that does for the obvious reason that they have a safeguard against their being murdered.

I was mocking Des-Bal.

[Des-Bal]

MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE LEGALIZE MURDER 2013

More like "let's base our legal decisions on the law rather than on what one person on the internet finds ethical."

[Des-Bal]

My code of ethics says murder is okay LEGALIZE MURDER 2013.

I'm not sure you understand how mocking works, that mentality is the exact thing I'm condemning.

[Gauthier]

Although maybe they're all T-Mobile customers.

Sequester cuts probably bumped everyone onto Tracfone

Nah, Magic Jack.

[The Godly Nations]

Given that your relativism is another, and that Utilitarianism posit that there is a universal moral code, no, it doesn't prove your point.

There are many schools of ethics, your argument boils down to "but this one is mine."

I only gave Utilitarianism to show that, no, you can't say 'morality is relative', because that is one school of thought, when there is Utilitarianism, Deontology, etc. All of which posit a universal set of morals.