Edward Snowden Discussion Thread

[Lemanrussland]

So one has no expectation of privacy when it comes to who they're talking to?

Besides that, who one calls can easily reveal the content of the call. If one calls (or is called by) their gynocologist and then calls planned parenthood the content of what is said is hardly needed.

It opens up so many potentials for abuse it isn't even funny, and from the sound of things the FISA court can't be trusted in the slightest to provide anything but the most cursory of watches over the program.

Again, if I recall correctly, the fact that those calls and emails have occurred is not protected by the fourth amendment. You can argue that it should be, but that's not the case currently.

Once more, with the infantile "SCOTUS hasn't ruled!" horseshit.

Ratz vs. United States established the precedent that, at the very least, the content of telecommunications are protected by the Fourth Amendment.

In the absence of further SCOTUS ruling, the NSA is acting illegally when it intercepts internet messages without a warrant and and copies the contents of them onto it's servers. That constitutes a wiretap of a United States citizen, many of whom are not talking to foreign nationals, but simply using their telecommunications service to talk to colleagues, friends, or family. When the NSA conducts dragnet surveillance, even if it's to target people talking to foreign POI's, they are wiretapping millions of Americans in the process.

In my view, it's illegal, but once again, you will pull out "SCOTUS hasn't ruled on that!", and thus worm away from actually confronting the arguments I'm putting forward.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So one has no expectation of privacy when it comes to who they're talking to?

Besides that, who one calls can easily reveal the content of the call. If one calls (or is called by) their gynocologist and then calls planned parenthood the content of what is said is hardly needed.

It opens up so many potentials for abuse it isn't even funny, and from the sound of things the FISA court can't be trusted in the slightest to provide anything but the most cursory of watches over the program.

Again, if I recall correctly, the fact that those calls and emails have occurred is not protected by the fourth amendment. You can argue that it should be, but that's not the case currently.

Probably. Which is why the ACLU case(s) on the matter need to be brought forward and the courts need to clarify if this is acceptable or not.

[Lemanrussland]

Again, if I recall correctly, the fact that those calls and emails have occurred is not protected by the fourth amendment. You can argue that it should be, but that's not the case currently.

Probably. Which is why the ACLU case(s) on the matter need to be brought forward and the courts need to clarify if this is acceptable or not.

Indeed. Most of those cases are trapped in litigation in the lower courts, however.

[Hallistar]

I think he probably violated his job duties/some laws from a legal standpoint, but I do support his actions. I don't think the federal gov is building FEMA camps or whatever with all that information, but I've always been suspicious/wary of them.

[The Scientific States]

He's a true hero who was brave enough to stand up to his government. People should learn from him.

[The Scientific States]

17 percent of people think death penalty for the man

[The Godly Nations]

Edward Snowden was a traitor who has endangered his country for a moment's fame. He ought to be hanged, drawn, and quatered for opposing our nation. That Obama is forced to admit to these sordid doings is not only a humiliation upon him, but upon our nation, and serve only to discredit us and weaken our hand when we lauch our various crusade for Freedom and Democracy- all will begin to doubt our good intention and pure-heartedness in these engagements.

[United Dependencies]

Can't it be both? Patriator?

Damnit

I wanted to do that.

[The Scientific States]

Edward Snowden was a traitor who has endangered his country for a moment's fame. He ought to be hanged, drawn, and quatered for opposing our nation. That Obama is forced to admit to these sordid doings is not only a humiliation upon him, but upon our nation, and serve only to discredit us and weaken our hand when we lauch our various crusade for Freedom and Democracy- all will begin to doubt our good intention and pure-heartedness in these engagements.

So you want to kill a man for exposing lies and secrets? Wonderful idea.

[Hallistar]

Edward Snowden was a traitor who has endangered his country for a moment's fame. He ought to be hanged, drawn, and quatered for opposing our nation. That Obama is forced to admit to these sordid doings is not only a humiliation upon him, but upon our nation, and serve only to discredit us and weaken our hand when we lauch our various crusade for Freedom and Democracy- all will begin to doubt our good intention and pure-heartedness in these engagements.

So you want to kill a man for exposing lies and secrets? Wonderful idea.

Tbh I can't tell if he's being satirical or not (The "crusade for Freedom and Democracy" and "pure-heartedness" parts).

[The Scientific States]

So you want to kill a man for exposing lies and secrets? Wonderful idea.

Tbh I can't tell if he's being satirical or not (The "crusade for Freedom and Democracy" and "pure-heartedness" parts).

I thought the same thing, and should've included it in my reply.

[Afalia]

Over here on the other side pond I'd like to find out some more information before I make a judgement on this guy. But from what I've heard so far he's a good guy who did the moral thing.

[Blakk Metal]

If you support the death penalty for this guy (I don't), what method do you want him experience?

[The Godly Nations]

So you want to kill a man for exposing lies and secrets? Wonderful idea.

Tbh I can't tell if he's being satirical or not (The "crusade for Freedom and Democracy" and "pure-heartedness" parts).

I can assure you that I am, like my government, in whose defence I speak, am perfectly earnest and sincere in all my doings.

[The Godly Nations]

Edward Snowden was a traitor who has endangered his country for a moment's fame. He ought to be hanged, drawn, and quatered for opposing our nation. That Obama is forced to admit to these sordid doings is not only a humiliation upon him, but upon our nation, and serve only to discredit us and weaken our hand when we lauch our various crusade for Freedom and Democracy- all will begin to doubt our good intention and pure-heartedness in these engagements.

So you want to kill a man for exposing lies and secrets? Wonderful idea.

No, I don't think we should do it so openly, but wait a few years, when all this furor dies down, then kill him off in some back alley, tie the body to some weights, and cast him off to sea. This would raise less unwarranted suspicion against our government.

[The Scientific States]

Tbh I can't tell if he's being satirical or not (The "crusade for Freedom and Democracy" and "pure-heartedness" parts).

I can assure you that I am, like my government, in whose defence I speak, am perfectly earnest and sincere in all my doings.

Sarcasm meter= over 9,000

Unless of course you mean your ns nations government, then that's a different story and I apologize.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

Snowden is a damn hero.

[Libertarian California]

He's the Paul Revere of our era.

[Des-Bal]

So you want to kill a man for exposing lies and secrets? Wonderful idea.

The government has no business keeping secrets. Why shouldn't we be privy to nuclear secrets?

[The Godly Nations]

He's the Paul Revere of our era.

In what ways?

[Nore Empire]

Even if PRISM is legal, it is unethical therefore no, he shouldn't be arrested.

Whose ethics?

The ethics and morals of the Human race as a whole, which are becoming non-existent. People don't want to know things so they vote death to a young man who WAS doing the right thing by releasing information about these projects...if they were used against other nations, do you know what the US could become? If they were used in a bad manner[like to murder people] or if the world finally went insane and established death penalties on homosexuals, would you let that happen? If I told you there was a 1% chance you would die because they made these programs, would you want them to continue?

[Nore Empire]

PS: Why are people using so many puppets? Can't get enough people to vote their way.

[The Godly Nations]

PS: Why are people using so many puppets? Can't get enough people to vote their way.

How do you know puppets are used?

[Nore Empire]

PS: Why are people using so many puppets? Can't get enough people to vote their way.

How do you know puppets are used?

It is a suspiciously high amount of votes for death/punishment. Have that many people talked in this thread?

[Blakk Metal]

PS: Why are people using so many puppets? Can't get enough people to vote their way.

How do you know puppets are used?

You know they're being used.