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Postby Dilange » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:30 pm

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Dilange wrote:I do not believe that it matters if Zimmerman walks or is convicted, he wont have a normal life ever again.

Better for him if he lives that live outside of prison than inside, no?

Not really. What job is a man like him going to get with a televised event like this? You think racial extremists groups like the Black Panthers are going to let him walk without good ol' Southern vigilante justice? What social life will he have without being looked down upon? How will he go about without receiving death threats or worse daily?

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Alien Space Bats wrote:Better for him if he lives that live outside of prison than inside, no?

Not really. What job is a man like him going to get with a televised event like this? You think racial extremists groups like the Black Panthers are going to let him walk without good ol' Southern vigilante justice? What social life will he have without being looked down upon? How will he go about without receiving death threats or worse daily?


His own show on Fox. I assume.
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Postby Dilange » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:37 pm

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Dilange wrote:Not really. What job is a man like him going to get with a televised event like this? You think racial extremists groups like the Black Panthers are going to let him walk without good ol' Southern vigilante justice? What social life will he have without being looked down upon? How will he go about without receiving death threats or worse daily?


His own show on Fox. I assume.

I was thinking Headline News.

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Postby Rawrckia » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:04 pm

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Dilange wrote:Not really. What job is a man like him going to get with a televised event like this? You think racial extremists groups like the Black Panthers are going to let him walk without good ol' Southern vigilante justice? What social life will he have without being looked down upon? How will he go about without receiving death threats or worse daily?


His own show on Fox. I assume.


Isn't Zimmerman a liberal democrat?

Or am I confusing him with someone else?

He seems like a genuinely nice guy, he definitely wouldn't try to rub it in the face of those who lost a friend and family member. If I were him, I'd sue NBC for libel and move to somewhere quiet in Texas or something.
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Postby United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:04 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
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His own show on Fox. I assume.


Isn't Zimmerman a liberal democrat?

Or am I confusing him with someone else?

He seems like a genuinely nice guy, he definitely wouldn't try to rub it in the face of those who lost a friend and family member. If I were him, I'd sue NBC for libel and move to somewhere quiet in Texas or something.

He *is* suing NBC. They claim the charges are false.

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Postby The Amyclae » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:25 pm

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Alien Space Bats wrote:Better for him if he lives that live outside of prison than inside, no?

Not really. What job is a man like him going to get with a televised event like this? You think racial extremists groups like the Black Panthers are going to let him walk without good ol' Southern vigilante justice? What social life will he have without being looked down upon? How will he go about without receiving death threats or worse daily?


I remember reading an article about how his telephone number changes periodically, for all the obvious reasons, but there's a few people who--after receiving the number after Zimmerman--were inundated with a whole swarm of suggestions. Hateful, foaming at the mouth sort of stuff. It sounded reasonably freaky... I can't Imagine living a life like that... Where even the barest connection with other people immediately brings them the sort of rage that most of us don't ever experience.

But, hey, NBC needed a good boost in the ratings!
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Postby New Octopucta » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:51 pm

Neu California wrote:Arguing form ignorance is fallacious

Also, a few posts before this one you said someone was of the "reactionary left". Without going into his politics, I will point out that reactionary are far right-wingers. Far left-wingers are radicals,

It's not fallacious because the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. If the prosecution cannot prove that Zimmerman lied, then his statement is assumed to be truthful.

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Postby Choronzon » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:53 pm

Guys, there is no way Zimmerman is left wing.

Fox News would be talking about the dangers of liberals if he was left wing.

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Postby New Octopucta » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:00 pm

Choronzon wrote:Guys, there is no way Zimmerman is left wing.

Fox News would be talking about the dangers of liberals if he was left wing.

He must be left wing. Glenn Beck told me all hispanics are liberals.

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Postby Alien Space Bats » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:01 pm

Dilange wrote:Not really. What job is a man like him going to get with a televised event like this? You think racial extremists groups like the Black Panthers are going to let him walk without good ol' Southern vigilante justice? What social life will he have without being looked down upon? How will he go about without receiving death threats or worse daily?

I'm sure there are lots of people who'd be willing to offer George Zimmerman a job if he gets off. I mean, it's not like we've got any real shortage of racists in this country who'd love to make a point by hiring him — and that's without considering those people who will simply give him a chance because... well. because he was acquitted, and that's only fair.

And the "New Black Panthers"? Who the fuck are they? A bunch of idiots up in Philadelphia who don't have enough members field a baseball team? Only FOX viewers believe that they're anything but a joke; but then, FOX viewers are among the least informed people on Planet Earth.

As for his social life, he had half a dozen people come forward to testify on his behalf; surely those people (at the very least) will stand by him — and I doubt those half dozen were the only ones among his friends who were willing to help him out on the stand. He will likely not want for friends.

Finally, vigilante justice is rare in this country these days. I very much doubt Zimmerman has anything to fear.

But the ultimate proof can be found in Zimmerman's own choices. He could have plead to a lesser charge if he really believed that his life would be better in prison than at large. He chose to fight the charges. What does that tell you?
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Postby Dilange » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:32 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:
Dilange wrote:Not really. What job is a man like him going to get with a televised event like this? You think racial extremists groups like the Black Panthers are going to let him walk without good ol' Southern vigilante justice? What social life will he have without being looked down upon? How will he go about without receiving death threats or worse daily?

I'm sure there are lots of people who'd be willing to offer George Zimmerman a job if he gets off. I mean, it's not like we've got any real shortage of racists in this country who'd love to make a point by hiring him — and that's without considering those people who will simply give him a chance because... well. because he was acquitted, and that's only fair.

And the "New Black Panthers"? Who the fuck are they? A bunch of idiots up in Philadelphia who don't have enough members field a baseball team? Only FOX viewers believe that they're anything but a joke; but then, FOX viewers are among the least informed people on Planet Earth.

As for his social life, he had half a dozen people come forward to testify on his behalf; surely those people (at the very least) will stand by him — and I doubt those half dozen were the only ones among his friends who were willing to help him out on the stand. He will likely not want for friends.

Finally, vigilante justice is rare in this country these days. I very much doubt Zimmerman has anything to fear.

But the ultimate proof can be found in Zimmerman's own choices. He could have plead to a lesser charge if he really believed that his life would be better in prison than at large. He chose to fight the charges. What does that tell you?


Yea because people who were found innocent in highly publicized trials have found vast amounts of opprotunity in life, like Casey Anthony, that girl who was on trial in Italy, or OJ Simpson.

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Postby United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:34 pm

Dilange wrote:
Alien Space Bats wrote:I'm sure there are lots of people who'd be willing to offer George Zimmerman a job if he gets off. I mean, it's not like we've got any real shortage of racists in this country who'd love to make a point by hiring him — and that's without considering those people who will simply give him a chance because... well. because he was acquitted, and that's only fair.

And the "New Black Panthers"? Who the fuck are they? A bunch of idiots up in Philadelphia who don't have enough members field a baseball team? Only FOX viewers believe that they're anything but a joke; but then, FOX viewers are among the least informed people on Planet Earth.

As for his social life, he had half a dozen people come forward to testify on his behalf; surely those people (at the very least) will stand by him — and I doubt those half dozen were the only ones among his friends who were willing to help him out on the stand. He will likely not want for friends.

Finally, vigilante justice is rare in this country these days. I very much doubt Zimmerman has anything to fear.

But the ultimate proof can be found in Zimmerman's own choices. He could have plead to a lesser charge if he really believed that his life would be better in prison than at large. He chose to fight the charges. What does that tell you?


Yea because people who were found innocent in highly publicized trials have found vast amounts of opprotunity in life, like Casey Anthony, that girl who was on trial in Italy, or OJ Simpson.

Zimmerman =/= Any of those three. Casey Anthony was basically found innocent because the prosecution was inept. The girl in Italy was railroaded in a world-reknowned corrupt court system. OJ was guilty, he just had the best troll in Law on his side.

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Postby Dilange » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:35 pm

United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy wrote:Zimmerman =/= Any of those three. Casey Anthony was basically found innocent because the prosecution was inept. The girl in Italy was railroaded in a world-reknowned corrupt court system. OJ was guilty, he just had the best troll in Law on his side.

The point





Your head.

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Postby Blakk Metal » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:36 pm

Alien Space Bats wrote:Finally, vigilante justice is rare in this country these days. I very much doubt Zimmerman has anything to fear.

He would've shot a rich white dude to get lynched.

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Postby United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:37 pm

Dilange wrote:
United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy wrote:Zimmerman =/= Any of those three. Casey Anthony was basically found innocent because the prosecution was inept. The girl in Italy was railroaded in a world-reknowned corrupt court system. OJ was guilty, he just had the best troll in Law on his side.

The point





Your head.

OJ managed just fine after the trial. His own incompetence led him to ruin.

The young lady from Italy is just fine, the US isn't going to ruin her life and she had a sympathetic audience there.

Casey Anthony was guilty, she just wasn't FOUND guilty.

There are no parallels here.

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Postby Hornesia » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:47 pm

New Octopucta wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Guys, there is no way Zimmerman is left wing.

Fox News would be talking about the dangers of liberals if he was left wing.

He must be left wing. Glenn Beck told me all hispanics are liberals.

He told me all minorities are ebul and need to die.
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Postby Myrensis » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:48 pm

United Meritocratic Athiest Democracy wrote:He *is* suing NBC. They claim the charges are false.


Upside if he wins, he'll have money to pay the Martins in a wrongful death suit.
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Postby Libertarian California » Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:49 pm

Choronzon wrote:Guys, there is no way Zimmerman is left wing.

Fox News would be talking about the dangers of liberals if he was left wing.


Zimmerman never stated his political views, right?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:02 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Guys, there is no way Zimmerman is left wing.

Fox News would be talking about the dangers of liberals if he was left wing.


Zimmerman never stated his political views, right?


Florida and Hispanic.
He's statistically likely to be a democrat, but it's not impossible he's a republican.
We have the gun issue which throws a wrench into the works, I know Michigan is one of those swing(ish) states where Democrats are normally pretty heavily pro-gun, but what about Florida?
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Libertarian California wrote:
Zimmerman never stated his political views, right?


Florida and Hispanic.
He's statistically likely to be a democrat, but it's not impossible he's a republican.
We have the gun issue which throws a wrench into the works, I know Michigan is one of those swing(ish) states where Democrats are normally pretty heavily pro-gun, but what about Florida?

I thought everyone in Florida (Except disneyworld and the Redneck-Rivera) was above 65 years old...
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Libertarian California wrote:
Zimmerman never stated his political views, right?


Florida and Hispanic.
He's statistically likely to be a democrat, but it's not impossible he's a republican.
We have the gun issue which throws a wrench into the works, I know Michigan is one of those swing(ish) states where Democrats are normally pretty heavily pro-gun, but what about Florida?


I'd imagine the same thing. Southern Democrats tend to be more pro-gun.

What type of Hispanic is Zimmerman? Cuban, Mexican, or something else?
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Libertarian California wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Florida and Hispanic.
He's statistically likely to be a democrat, but it's not impossible he's a republican.
We have the gun issue which throws a wrench into the works, I know Michigan is one of those swing(ish) states where Democrats are normally pretty heavily pro-gun, but what about Florida?


I'd imagine the same thing. Southern Democrats tend to be more pro-gun.

What type of Hispanic is Zimmerman? Cuban, Mexican, or something else?

Ecuadorian?

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Libertarian California wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Florida and Hispanic.
He's statistically likely to be a democrat, but it's not impossible he's a republican.
We have the gun issue which throws a wrench into the works, I know Michigan is one of those swing(ish) states where Democrats are normally pretty heavily pro-gun, but what about Florida?


I'd imagine the same thing. Southern Democrats tend to be more pro-gun.

What type of Hispanic is Zimmerman? Cuban, Mexican, or something else?

The white kind. :p
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Libertarian California wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Florida and Hispanic.
He's statistically likely to be a democrat, but it's not impossible he's a republican.
We have the gun issue which throws a wrench into the works, I know Michigan is one of those swing(ish) states where Democrats are normally pretty heavily pro-gun, but what about Florida?


I'd imagine the same thing. Southern Democrats tend to be more pro-gun.

What type of Hispanic is Zimmerman? Cuban, Mexican, or something else?


iirc his mom is Peruvian and his dad is half white half jewish. He looks much more hispanic than white though.
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Postby Hornesia » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:09 pm

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I'd imagine the same thing. Southern Democrats tend to be more pro-gun.

What type of Hispanic is Zimmerman? Cuban, Mexican, or something else?


iirc his mom is Peruvian and his dad is half white half jewish. He looks much more hispanic than white though.

Wait, you're telling me that if You're Jewish you aren't considered white? Last time I checked, "Jewish" wasn't an option on the Census.
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