Are Disney Movies Bad for Children?

[Saiwania]

Whether any Disney "fairy tale" film with the possible exception of Snow White (for being the first big Disney success) is actually all that important to the study of "film history" is up for debate. Usually they're vapid, gross oversimplifications of the tales they're based on, and culturally and historically inaccurate (look at Mulan and ESPECIALLY Pocahontas)

Even so, it doesn't change the fact that an edit is often very different from the original. Maybe it is just me, but I actually like having original versions of everything still being available.

Take Pocahontas for example, the Savages song was fine as it was but a line in it was edited to "that is what you get when the races are diverse." That does not fit into the scene nor make as much sense as the original lyrics did. The White colonists were not going into a conflict with Pocahontas' tribe over multiculturalism, it was over the fact that they saw the Native Americans as inferior and they had one of their own held captive. The racist undertones of the unedited song would be more accurate to the story's setting than the edit which was made that makes it feel glaringly out of place.

[Matta]

You need to cool down.

There is only so much of other people's stupidity I can handle.

That is the last straw you need to stop being. a jerk people are stupid just because they don't agree witth your opinion.

[The Godly Nations]

There is only so much of other people's stupidity I can handle.

That is the last straw you need to stop being. a jerk people are stupid just because they don't agree witth your opinion.

No, because your opinion is utterly unfounded.

[Matta]

You need to cool down.

There is only so much of other people's stupidity I can handle.

That is the last straw you need to stop being. a jerk people aren't stupid just because they don't agree witth your opinion.

[Matta]

That is the last straw you need to stop being. a jerk people are stupid just because they don't agree witth your opinion.

No, because your opinion is utterly unfounded.

That your opinoion so now i can say you rre stupid because your opinion is utterly unfouned

[The Godly Nations]

There is only so much of other people's stupidity I can handle.

That is the last straw you need to stop being. a jerk people aren't stupid just because they don't agree witth your opinion.

And I have just demonstrated why that opinion is false- if one thought about it rationally, one would find no reason to fault 'corporate slobs' for doing their job, and doing it well, and blaming shitty parenting upon them.

[The Godly Nations]

No, because your opinion is utterly unfounded.

That your opinoion so now i can say you rre stupid because your opinion is utterly unfouned

Not all opinions are equal, and resorting to puerile and childish 'it's only an opinion' demonstrate how desperate you have become. I already shown why there is no reason to blame 'corporate slobs' for bad parenting.

[Matta]

That is the last straw you need to stop being. a jerk people aren't stupid just because they don't agree witth your opinion.

And I have just demonstrated why that opinion is false- if one thought about it rationally, one would find no reason to fault 'corporate slobs' for doing their job, and doing it well, and blaming shitty parenting upon them.

No you gave your opinion in every post there was no evidence so again your opinion is utterly unfounded. Also nothing gives you an excuse to be a jerk.

[The Godly Nations]

And I have just demonstrated why that opinion is false- if one thought about it rationally, one would find no reason to fault 'corporate slobs' for doing their job, and doing it well, and blaming shitty parenting upon them.

No you gave your opinion in every post there was no evidence so again your opinion is utterly unfounded. Also nothing gives you an excuse to be a jerk.

No, I have reasoned it out thoroughly, and the fact that you are resorting to 'it's only an opinion' shows that you know that you are logically wrong, but you are still unwilling to give up your opinions.

Why should Disney be blamed for bad parenting, you don't say, only you assure us that they are at fault.

[Herskerstad]

Compared to some of the new shit that is on TV, old school disney was gold.

[The Godly Nations]

Compared to some of the new shit that is on TV, old school disney was gold.

Except for the blatantly racist bits.

[Matta]

No you gave your opinion in every post there was no evidence so again your opinion is utterly unfounded. Also nothing gives you an excuse to be a jerk.

No, I have reasoned it out thoroughly, and the fact that you are resorting to 'it's only an opinion' shows that you know that you are logically wrong, but you are still unwilling to give up your opinions.

Why should Disney be blamed for bad parenting, you don't say, only you assure us that they are at fault.

with that you just became a hypocrite you basically said i only have an opinion. Also no i know i'm not wrong you aren't a mindreader. I'm done arguing with a closeminded person who refuses to admit tv affects children.

[The Godly Nations]

No, I have reasoned it out thoroughly, and the fact that you are resorting to 'it's only an opinion' shows that you know that you are logically wrong, but you are still unwilling to give up your opinions.

Why should Disney be blamed for bad parenting, you don't say, only you assure us that they are at fault.

with that you just became a hypocrite you basically said i only have an opinion. Also no i know i'm not wrong you aren't a mindreader. I'm done arguing with a closeminded person who refuses to admit tv affects children.

I said you have an unfounded opinion, an opinion contrary to all reason and common sense. You are just backing out of it by saying that 'that's only an opinion'- as if that somehow makes our opinions at all equal. You have yet to show anyone how Disney is to be blamed for bad parenting, and why we should blame Disney for what the parents backing out of their responsibilities. If you are done speaking, then do so, you have only shown that you are dogmatic and obstinate in wrong headed opinions.

[Herskerstad]

Compared to some of the new shit that is on TV, old school disney was gold.

Except for the blatantly racist bits.

Which you can also interpret from modern kiddie shows. Besides Disney has a pretty ok track record on respecting the different. The Beauty and the beast symbolizes that, as far as disabilities go, The Hunchback, hell one of the few movies that tackles genocidal racism head on is Pochahontas, and that was pretty well made.

But if one wants to be a hipster and find holes that can be linked with racial theories, then sure. But overall I feel the disney movies have been a greater source of good in the world of media, and a good indicator of that is a sizable bit of NS disliking the institution.

[The Godly Nations]

Except for the blatantly racist bits.

Which you can also interpret from modern kiddie shows. Besides Disney has a pretty ok track record on respecting the different. The Beauty and the beast symbolizes that, as far as disabilities go, The Hunchback, hell one of the few movies that tackles genocidal racism head on is Pochahontas, and that was pretty well made.

But if one wants to be a hipster and find holes that can be linked with racial theories, then sure. But overall I feel the disney movies have been a greater source of good in the world of media, and a good indicator of that is a sizable bit of NS disliking the institution.

I really don't care about whether the film is subliminally racist or not, or whether the casting is racist, but whether it is well made.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Can't we all just enjoy a good cartoon without searching for racial undertones?

It would be nice.

I mean, I get where raising your kids on Disney movies and never exposing them to anything else would be bad for their psychological development; but if kids watch Disney movies alongside other influences, it's not a big deal.

There have been several Disney movies featuring royalty, and yet monarchism has not made a comeback.

[Saiwania]

I really don't care about whether the film is subliminally racist or not, or whether the casting is racist, but whether it is well made.

^This, only in my case; some of the best parts are racist. In this old Popeye the Sailor cartoon for example, it had him beating the tar out of these Native Americans after eating some spinach and after he uppercuts this huge Native American chief, he turns into a caricature of Mahatma Gandhi.

[Carriff]

Common sense is accepting the fact tv affects kids. There are studies that show it does. I don't have an unfounded opinion. I am also not the stubborn one here. Also you do't know whats parenting is like. Kids will listen to tv more than to parents. You also have no basis tio say parents are irresponsible and shouldn't be raising kids. For what i see you have the unfound opinion with mo reason. You also have resorted to insults of my opinion which shows you know. i'm right .

[Matta]

Common sense is accepting the fact tv affects kids. There are studies that show it does. I don't have an unfounded opinion. I am also not the stubborn one here. Also you do't know whats parenting is like. Kids will listen to tv more than to parents. You also have no basis tio say parents are irresponsible and shouldn't be raising kids. For what i see you have the unfound opinion with mo reason. You also have resorted to insults of my opinion which shows you know. i'm right .

Sorry this is suppose to be matta.

[Forsher]

Do you have any proof of this being the case? I watched quite a few Disney movies while growing up, and I never found this to be true.

I would also dispute those points, given there were villains who fit the "beauty" category and most villains didn't seem to have foreign accents.

It's not Disney-specific, but there is actually a long history of evidence that even small children absorb the message that white people are Good while black people are Bad. Ken and Mamie Clark did their classic doll experiments in the 1940s or 1950s, finding that both black children and white children think that white dolls are the good ones and black dolls are "naughty" or such. There was a documentary called A Girl Like Me done some time in the last 10 years that recreated the experiments and found similar results.

I'm pretty sure Child Of Our Time did something similar. I remember they had the children point at faces but my memory's vague (I am only four to five years older than the subjects).

Anyway, if my memory is correct they all tended to point primarily at the white figures, even the black ones, except for one of them.

[The Marxist State]

I was going to be angry about this, but, these are cartoons not people. CARTOON also known as not real people, imaginary not realistic whatever they want it to look like.

The fact is that the "Snow White" image is a product they market to young children, particularly girls. And the fact that they felt the need to edit the Snow White character to make her barbie-doll thin shows the kind of message they're trying to send.

I really don't care about whether the film is subliminally racist or not, or whether the casting is racist, but whether it is well made.

This is more my opinion, but none of them are well made. They're just racist to boot.

[Icirus]

Being a hunter, I would say that Disney movies are bad for our society. Teaching children that animals can talk and from time to time have more feelings than humans is wrong. I get the "Ohh, don't shoot Bambi!- He didn't do anything against you! I bet you killed his mother- Murderer!"(Got that 2 weeks ago). No, I'm not a murderer. I'm a simple hunter- I'm a Homo Sapien. I would say that in some extreme cases it has weakened our society.


PS: I'll have you know that I've not shot a single animal yet. It would seem that the animals in my forest think they are a part of the Matrix movies...dodging all the damn bullets....

[L Ron Cupboard]

You never see Song of the South on anymore.

[Ifreann]

So beauty is being anorexic and its ok to say that because companies want to sell. Lets see people's health vs Greedy corporations getting money, I would rather have healthy people rather than greedy corporations getting money.

That's the parent's job- they are the ones raising the children. If the children decides to slavishly follow what the television tells them, then, obviously, the parents are failures who aren't fit to raise a child. The media is only out to make money, and presenting a sellable image is part of that operation.

You say this as though it has any relevance to the topic at hand.

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And therefore, they aren't harmful to children now. Because the people who made them were sincere in their racism and sexism. Right.

Disney is free to remake their cartoons and movies, but they should not dare to alter the originals for censorship. It is crucial to film history that the original movies be left intact as they were created and not edited to make it so that it won't possibly offend anyone.

It is no such thing.

[Gallup]

What? No. I watched them and I'm turning out fine.