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Postby Maurepas » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:24 pm

Meh, I still like Disney movies, and I liked them as a kid, and I don't think they're a negative influence, at least not any more so than movies from any other company.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:27 pm

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Geilinor wrote:So McDonald's should change their signs? :p Their ads have never caused me to desire a meal from McDonald's though.

But they can easily make you feel hungry. It's a marketing strategy.

Subliminal messages seem like some kind of hippie idea. Linked to the idea of "mind control"? http://www.umich.edu/~onebook/pages/frames/usesF.html
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Postby Thafoo » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:28 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:But they can easily make you feel hungry. It's a marketing strategy.

Subliminal messages seem like some kind of hippie idea. http://www.umich.edu/~onebook/pages/frames/usesF.html

So... much... clip art...

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Individuality-ness wrote:Colors. Red and yellow. These work up our appetite subconsciously.

So McDonald's should change their signs? :p Their ads have never caused me to desire a meal from McDonald's though.

Ironically, the only thing I've watched and then immediately craved McDonald's specifically afterwards was Super Size Me.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:30 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Subliminal messages seem like some kind of hippie idea. http://www.umich.edu/~onebook/pages/frames/usesF.html

So... much... clip art...

Under the legal penalties section, subliminal messages are strictly illegal in Australia and the UK. I'm not buying the idea that it actually works.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:32 pm

http://www.umich.edu/~onebook/pages/frames/gallerySet.html
I don't think any of these pictures could prompt most people to do anything. I think people just like looking for sexual themes everywhere. I don't understand why we need to be so neurotic about sexual themes.
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Postby Draakonite » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:32 pm

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Thafoo wrote:So... much... clip art...

Under the legal penalties section, subliminal messages are strictly illegal in Australia and the UK. I'm not buying the idea that it actually works.


If it wouldn't work, why would governments ban it?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:33 pm

Draakonite wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Under the legal penalties section, subliminal messages are strictly illegal in Australia and the UK. I'm not buying the idea that it actually works.


If it wouldn't work, why would governments ban it?

Ignorance.

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Postby Thafoo » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:34 pm

Geilinor wrote:http://www.umich.edu/~onebook/pages/frames/gallerySet.html
I don't think any of these pictures could prompt most people to do anything.

Must... kill... kittens...

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:35 pm

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Geilinor wrote:Under the legal penalties section, subliminal messages are strictly illegal in Australia and the UK. I'm not buying the idea that it actually works.


If it wouldn't work, why would governments ban it?

It's a controversial topic though. It's like why many governments ban abortion, arrest homosexuals, have racist policies, discriminate, etc.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:47 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:Colors. Red and yellow. These work up our appetite subconsciously.

So McDonald's should change their signs? :p Their ads have never caused me to desire a meal from McDonald's though.

i dont think she is advocating that, but subliminal messages do get accross, pastels seem to calm folks down, product placement means to create associations that are not overtly stated.
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Postby Central Slavia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:49 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:You know what I'm starting to think is bad for children?

All these so-called 'specialists' and 'professionals' running around inventing new ways for parents to fear raising their own kids without one of these people holding their hands through the process, creating situations where kids are no longer free to be kids, are saddled with adult issues and worries and problems at too young an age to actually understand and comprehend the why of it all, and in the end, bringing them up in an atmosphere of mistrust, fear, and dependency.

Frankly, I'm sick to death of the whole business.


So much this.
That said, there's plenty better cartoons than Disney movies out there - say, Asterix and Obelix (which I grew up on), or hell, even anime shows.
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Postby Draakonite » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:50 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
If it wouldn't work, why would governments ban it?

It's a controversial topic though. It's like why many governments ban abortion, arrest homosexuals, have racist policies, discriminate, etc.


We still talk about modern democracies like Australia and the UK, not 3. world dictatorships.
Again, why should such governments waste time on such things, if they don't work?

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:55 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:You know what I'm starting to think is bad for children?

All these so-called 'specialists' and 'professionals' running around inventing new ways for parents to fear raising their own kids without one of these people holding their hands through the process, creating situations where kids are no longer free to be kids, are saddled with adult issues and worries and problems at too young an age to actually understand and comprehend the why of it all, and in the end, bringing them up in an atmosphere of mistrust, fear, and dependency.

Frankly, I'm sick to death of the whole business.


As one of those professionals who help parents understand what might mess kids up, I'm afraid I must retort.

Raising a kid is no fun time and happy things. It can be, but only if you're actually paying attention to them, their wants, and their needs.

You're seriously over-simplifying the issue by saying parents should just do whatever the hell they want and not listen to professionals because we allegedly over-analyze things and only do these things to make people afraid.

People who hit their children also don't like me. Why don't you?

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Postby Central Slavia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:57 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:You know what I'm starting to think is bad for children?

All these so-called 'specialists' and 'professionals' running around inventing new ways for parents to fear raising their own kids without one of these people holding their hands through the process, creating situations where kids are no longer free to be kids, are saddled with adult issues and worries and problems at too young an age to actually understand and comprehend the why of it all, and in the end, bringing them up in an atmosphere of mistrust, fear, and dependency.

Frankly, I'm sick to death of the whole business.


As one of those professionals who help parents understand what might mess kids up, I'm afraid I must retort.

Raising a kid is no fun time and happy things. It can be, but only if you're actually paying attention to them, their wants, and their needs.

You're seriously over-simplifying the issue by saying parents should just do whatever the hell they want and not listen to professionals because we allegedly over-analyze things and only do these things to make people afraid.

People who hit their children also don't like me. Why don't you?


People have been raising kids with little to no theory for centuries, and successfully so. No need to overcomplicate things - it all comes down to that story of the centipede's shoes.
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Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions

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Postby Maurepas » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:58 pm

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Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:You know what I'm starting to think is bad for children?

All these so-called 'specialists' and 'professionals' running around inventing new ways for parents to fear raising their own kids without one of these people holding their hands through the process, creating situations where kids are no longer free to be kids, are saddled with adult issues and worries and problems at too young an age to actually understand and comprehend the why of it all, and in the end, bringing them up in an atmosphere of mistrust, fear, and dependency.

Frankly, I'm sick to death of the whole business.


As one of those professionals who help parents understand what might mess kids up, I'm afraid I must retort.

Raising a kid is no fun time and happy things. It can be, but only if you're actually paying attention to them, their wants, and their needs.

You're seriously over-simplifying the issue by saying parents should just do whatever the hell they want and not listen to professionals because we allegedly over-analyze things and only do these things to make people afraid.

People who hit their children also don't like me. Why don't you?

You just need some sort of balance is the issue. It's one thing to protect a kid who's being abused, but take the ADD scam for example, sure quite a few kids actually have ADD and need Ritalin. But that number is so much lower than the sheer amount of kids who were just a little hyper or creative and were still prescribed that drug unnecessarily.

I think the issue is that we don't have an FDA(at least as far as I can tell) type organization to regulate this sort of thing.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:58 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Thafoo wrote:So... much... clip art...

Under the legal penalties section, subliminal messages are strictly illegal in Australia and the UK. I'm not buying the idea that it actually works.

Unfortunately, color pairings are still legal.
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Central Slavia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
As one of those professionals who help parents understand what might mess kids up, I'm afraid I must retort.

Raising a kid is no fun time and happy things. It can be, but only if you're actually paying attention to them, their wants, and their needs.

You're seriously over-simplifying the issue by saying parents should just do whatever the hell they want and not listen to professionals because we allegedly over-analyze things and only do these things to make people afraid.

People who hit their children also don't like me. Why don't you?


People have been raising kids with little to no theory for centuries, and successfully so. No need to overcomplicate things.


Allegedly.

You sure you want to say such a shallow and insipid thing?

I could probably find several examples of shit child-raising practices from the past.

Just because children MIGHT cope with abuse doesn't mean we SHOULDN'T put a stop to the abuse.

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Postby Central Slavia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:01 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:
People have been raising kids with little to no theory for centuries, and successfully so. No need to overcomplicate things.


Allegedly.

You sure you want to say such a shallow and insipid thing?

I could probably find several examples of shit child-raising practices from the past.

Just because children MIGHT cope with abuse doesn't mean we SHOULDN'T put a stop to the abuse.


Who gets to define what constitutes child abuse? (For example , while hitting a kid seriously is not a good idea, spanking and other moderate physical punishment is a legitimate means of parenting as far as I am concerned)
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You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.

Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions

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Maurepas wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
As one of those professionals who help parents understand what might mess kids up, I'm afraid I must retort.

Raising a kid is no fun time and happy things. It can be, but only if you're actually paying attention to them, their wants, and their needs.

You're seriously over-simplifying the issue by saying parents should just do whatever the hell they want and not listen to professionals because we allegedly over-analyze things and only do these things to make people afraid.

People who hit their children also don't like me. Why don't you?

You just need some sort of balance is the issue. It's one thing to protect a kid who's being abused, but take the ADD scam for example, sure quite a few kids actually have ADD and need Ritalin. But that number is so much lower than the sheer amount of kids who were just a little hyper or creative and were still prescribed that drug unnecessarily.

I think the issue is that we don't have an FDA(at least as far as I can tell) type organization to regulate this sort of thing.


That is not all "professionals". Some professionals are actually in it because they want to help people. It's an insulting generalization.

And a dumb one, too. Yup, those professionals that study this shit for years have NO IDEA what they're talking about. It's the same shit I hear from people that actually do over-analyze the psychiatric and psychological industries whilst completely ignoring the actual issues, like the one you pointed out, which is the abuse of pharmaceuticals in psychiatry.

Well, kinda. The MPAA have a whole lot influence in the movie industry. But they fucking suck at it and have some serious conservative biases.
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:09 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Maurepas wrote:You just need some sort of balance is the issue. It's one thing to protect a kid who's being abused, but take the ADD scam for example, sure quite a few kids actually have ADD and need Ritalin. But that number is so much lower than the sheer amount of kids who were just a little hyper or creative and were still prescribed that drug unnecessarily.

I think the issue is that we don't have an FDA(at least as far as I can tell) type organization to regulate this sort of thing.


That is not all "professionals". Some professionals are actually in it because they want to help people. It's an insulting generalization.

And a dumb one, too. Yup, those professionals that study this shit for years have NO IDEA what they're talking about. It's the same shit I hear from people that actually do over-analyze the psychiatric and psychological industries whilst completely ignoring the actual issues, like the one you pointed out, which is the abuse of pharmaceuticals in psychiatry.

Well, kinda. The MPAA have a whole lot influence in the movie industry. But they fucking suck at it and have some serious conservative biases.

I actually meant for psychiatry. I'm actually against the concept of an MPAA entirely. I think it's unnecessary and does more harm than good. At least as far as movies are concerned.

I in no way stated that all "professionals" do that. Hell, I want to be a teacher to help students, but that doesn't stop me from recognizing that there are major flaws in the US Educational system.

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:12 pm

Central Slavia wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Allegedly.

You sure you want to say such a shallow and insipid thing?

I could probably find several examples of shit child-raising practices from the past.

Just because children MIGHT cope with abuse doesn't mean we SHOULDN'T put a stop to the abuse.


Who gets to define what constitutes child abuse? (For example , while hitting a kid seriously is not a good idea, spanking and other moderate physical punishment is a legitimate means of parenting as far as I am concerned)


Congress. They're the main legislative body in the country.

If you're not a psychological professional, you most likely don't know what constitutes child abuse, so forgive me for not agreeing with some asshole on the street. Yes, spanking is legitimate, but it takes a lot of self-control to use it effectively. Self-control is a virtue few people have, and one I'm not trusting strangers to have and exercise over my children.

It's also something I expect EVERY parent to be educated on. And if they don't, I don't think they should have children.
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Maurepas wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
As one of those professionals who help parents understand what might mess kids up, I'm afraid I must retort.

Raising a kid is no fun time and happy things. It can be, but only if you're actually paying attention to them, their wants, and their needs.

You're seriously over-simplifying the issue by saying parents should just do whatever the hell they want and not listen to professionals because we allegedly over-analyze things and only do these things to make people afraid.

People who hit their children also don't like me. Why don't you?

You just need some sort of balance is the issue. It's one thing to protect a kid who's being abused, but take the ADD scam for example, sure quite a few kids actually have ADD and need Ritalin. But that number is so much lower than the sheer amount of kids who were just a little hyper or creative and were still prescribed that drug unnecessarily.

I think the issue is that we don't have an FDA(at least as far as I can tell) type organization to regulate this sort of thing.


I see numerous claims that Ritalin and other ADD drugs are overprescribed, but little to no data on the subject.

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Postby Maurepas » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:14 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:
Who gets to define what constitutes child abuse? (For example , while hitting a kid seriously is not a good idea, spanking and other moderate physical punishment is a legitimate means of parenting as far as I am concerned)


Congress. They're the main legislative body in the country.

If you're not a psychological professional, you most likely don't know what constitutes child abuse, so forgive me for not agreeing with some asshole on the street. Yes, spanking is legitimate, but it takes a lot of self-control to use it effectively. Self-control is a virtue few people have, and one I'm not trusting strangers to have and exercise over my children.

It's also something I expect EVERY parent to be educated on. And if they don't, I don't think they should have children.


Congress? Really? The problem with this theory is that Congress is that asshole on the street.

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