Are Disney Movies Bad for Children?

[Benomia]

WALL-E was about a dystopian future about what would happen if the anti-secular right-wing exclusivism in the US government is allowed to continue for a couple centuries.

Bad for kids? Not really.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Can't we all just enjoy a good cartoon without searching for racial undertones?

^This

You CAN. It just means you're really lazy.

I just don't get people who want to consume media without ever being made to think. What on earth is the point of an artistic work if you never think about it?

[Electroconvulsive Glee]

Can't we all just enjoy a good cartoon without searching for racial undertones?

^This

That was wrong.

[Ifreann]

We're just talking about it on the internet, we're not storming the seat of government or Disney headquarters.

Which is why your actions are pointless. You wont gonna change anything here on this forum.

And for the record, it is totally okay for us to bitch about Disney movies. DWI.

Totally ok and pointless.

Is what you're doing important? Bitching at us?

Pointing out pointlessness of other people actions is by no means pointless.

You realise you're completely contradicting yourself now, right?

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the implication was that she was nude, and the issue is sexualizing a minor. i get that 16 year olds are sex objects to other 16 year olds, and that is fine. vanity fair is not targeted at 16 year olds.

I wouldn't have objected if people had said, "Hmm, this photo seems to me to have some sexual overtones. I don't think that was a good choice for a photo of a minor." That's a totally reasonable position. (I don't entirely agree with it - I'll accept that it has sexual overtones within the larger context of a culture, like ours, in which the female body is treated as being inherently sexual, and that Vanity Fair probably should have expected backlash, but I don't actually see anything intrinsically sexual in that photo - but it's reasonable.) What I objected to were the over-the-top accusations that taking a photo of a teenage girl wearing a halter top was disgusting, overtly sexual, abusive, and so on and so forth. I mean, for heaven's sake, I remember people seriously accusing Annie Leibowitz of being a child molester solely because she took a photo of a fully-clothed teenage girl while her parents were in the room watching and okaying everything. That's kinda nuts.

Pictures are sexual contact, dontcha know.

[Charellia]

I would argue that when the beast was abusive she hated him. It was only when he became a better person that she began to fall in love.

As the father-to-be of a daughter, I'd prefer that she watch a movie with the message "If the guy starts ripping apart the furniture and yelling at you over perceived or imagined slights, then get the fuck out of there."

Technically she did. But I think I'm going to stop defending this movie now anyway.

[Nidaria]

All modern movies, and even some older ones, need to be carefully scrutinized before exposed to children. Today's society is corrupt and highly sexualized. I read an article a while ago that movies like Madagascar promote homosexuality.

[Crystal Spires]

<Pixar Disney>

If you ain't bothered you ain't paying attention.

^this again.

[Individuality-ness]

The fact that she earns a happy ending by loving him so much that she humanizes him is the problem.

I don't see it quite that way. The beast had to act human in order to get her to fall in love with her. Acting human makes him human

It's rather Stockholm-ly, actually. The idea is that your captor would do something that isn't shitty and then you love that person. It's essentially the "honeymoon" stage of the abuse cycle. Eventually, her saying "I love you" turns him into the perfect boyfriend.

And there's still the overt "beauty = goodness" trope in the movie. Belle means "beautiful" in French for God's sake.

I'll concede that point but there is still the fact that the antagonist is better looking than his rival which is rare.

Again, Stockholm syndrome.

[Khadgar]

All modern movies, and even some older ones, need to be carefully scrutinized before exposed to children. Today's society is corrupt and highly sexualized. I read an article a while ago that movies like Madagascar promote homosexuality.

That is completely unsurprising. You can find articles that say Genesis promotes homosexuality.

[Ifreann]

All modern movies, and even some older ones, need to be carefully scrutinized before exposed to children. Today's society is corrupt and highly sexualized. I read an article a while ago that movies like Madagascar promote homosexuality.

...How?

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<Pixar Disney>

If you ain't bothered you ain't paying attention.

^this again.

We saw it the first time.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Of course, my daughter's middle name will be "Belle", so my protests may ring hollow.

[Khadgar]

All modern movies, and even some older ones, need to be carefully scrutinized before exposed to children. Today's society is corrupt and highly sexualized. I read an article a while ago that movies like Madagascar promote homosexuality.

...How?

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<Pixar Disney>

If you ain't bothered you ain't paying attention.

^this again.

We saw it the first time.

Marty and Alex are totally gay. Melman is closeted and Gloria is a fag hag. Let's not get into the penguins or the monkeys and their scat fetish.

[Nailed to the Perch]

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<Pixar Disney>

If you ain't bothered you ain't paying attention.

^this again.

To make the point, you should really go with their even more egregious first "princessified" version of Merida, the one they pulled after half the internet said "WTF NO."

[Prussia-Steinbach]

WALL-E was about a dystopian future about what would happen if the anti-secular right-wing exclusivism in the US government is allowed to continue for a couple centuries.

Bad for kids? Not really.

I didn't get the "anti-secular right-wing" implications... I got the impression that it was a dystopian future about what would happen if corporations were allowed to run amok for a couple centuries. And if anti-trust laws and environmental laws were somehow repealed.

[Neo Art]

It should be fairly obvious that disney movies are all profoundly sexist.

[Johto and Kanto]

[*]Tarzan, which was released in 1999, is set in Africa but does not feature any black people.

I think that's because the cast is comprised of an English group on an expedition to Africa, and Tarzan, who I believe was raised by gorillas due to his birth parents (from Europe) being killed.

[Al Meajilia]

Aladdin was very racist. The good guys had American accents while the bad guys had Arabic accents. They also mixed up Arabic culture with Indian culture such as the snake charming and such, and in Arabic culture kissing is considered taboo, be it for Muslims or any other religions if they are in public. And Princess Jasmine was wearing Indian clothes. And it also portrays Arabs as bad people, such as when a merchant was gonna cut off Jasmine's hand for taking an apple and it portrays Americans as always being the good guys, such as Aladdin having an American accent.

"When they cut off your ears when they don't like your face, its barbaric but hey its home", thats a line they had in the original Aladdin.

[Ifreann]

...How?

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We saw it the first time.

Marty and Alex are totally gay. Melman is closeted and Gloria is a fag hag. Let's not get into the penguins or the monkeys and their scat fetish.

I haven't seen it, so maybe there wasn't much point in asking.

[Tsuntion]

Oh, most Disney movies are fucking awful when you actually think about them. The Little Mermaid suggests that true love means abandoning your family and home and giving up everything that makes you yourself in order to impress a dude. Beauty and the Beast is the story of how a woman fell in love with a dude who literally kidnapped her and held her captive. I still love them both - I just love them in an adult, nuanced way that involves recognizing that they're deeply flawed.

Don't forget that in The Little Mermaid, it's for a guy you've never actually talked to.

But yes. I love them in that way too.

they are very very very bad for kids and have lot of sex stuff in it

Disney movies don't depict sex.

The Queen in Snow White is in her villainy more seductive than any Disney princess. Disney movies don't seem to like sex that much.

In some ways arguably, but think the whole underweight thing is a little silly considering they're cartoon drawings, and are bound to have some radical differences from an actual body. This isn't to say it's not totally harmless (I'm sure there's at least someone crazy enough to try to turn themselves into a cartoon), but I think it's fair to point out that cartoons aren't exactly the finest place to be looking for messages on body shape.

No, but Brave showed that a female character with a thicker waist (whilst still being skinny) doesn't look bad. There are some fat characters in Disney movies, usually comical ones if I remember right, but so far none of the protagonists that I can remember (certainly none of the princesses) have been anything other than thin.

The best part of Disney movies are the villain songs. You could call that the biggest problem right there. I remember back when I watched the Lion King religiously when I was little, as much as I loved the super-happy schpiel from Timon and Pumba, I remember feeling much more excited when Scar sang Be Prepared. I can imagine a lot of kids who payed more attention to the villain songs will end up doing a lot of damage to those who modeled the Disney Princesses or the other happy BS.

Oh yes, the villain songs are often glorious.

And anyway, most of that is stereotyping, not racism.

Stereotyped racial minorities are shown as either bad or laughable.

That sounds pretty racism-like to me.

[Individuality-ness]

All modern movies, and even some older ones, need to be carefully scrutinized before exposed to children. Today's society is corrupt and highly sexualized. I read an article a while ago that movies like Madagascar promote homosexuality.

That is completely unsurprising. You can find articles that say Genesis promotes homosexuality.

Dude. Gay couple in the Bible. I have to find the image though.

[Electroconvulsive Glee]

It should be fairly obvious that disney movies are all profoundly sexist.

And, before the MRAs arrive, the sexism extends to gender stereotypes of both men and women.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

All modern movies, and even some older ones, need to be carefully scrutinized before exposed to children. Today's society is corrupt and highly sexualized. I read an article a while ago that movies like Madagascar promote homosexuality.

That is completely unsurprising. You can find articles that say Genesis promotes homosexuality.

You can find articles that say the Holocaust didn't happen, Elvis was a Melungeon, and Michael Jackson was an android. The internet is a weird place.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It should be fairly obvious that disney movies are all profoundly sexist.

Lilo And Stitch, too?

Strong female characters, good family themes, men in supportive but not starring roles (except for a couple of semi-competent villains)....

[Khadgar]

That is completely unsurprising. You can find articles that say Genesis promotes homosexuality.

Dude. Gay couple in the Bible. I have to find the image though.

I don't remember their names. One of them at least was a prince.

[Electroconvulsive Glee]

[*]Tarzan, which was released in 1999, is set in Africa but does not feature any black people.

I think that's because the cast is comprised of an English group on an expedition to Africa, and Tarzan, who I believe was raised by gorillas due to his birth parents (from Europe) being killed.

And?

To an extent, you prove my point. Also, this does not explain the complete absence of anyone who is not English in Africa.