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Are Disney Movies Bad for Children?

Postby Charellia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:35 am

I am not 100% sure this belongs in General rather than Arts and Fiction but as the intent here is to focus the discussion on the influence of the films on society rather than the films themselves I'm putting it here.

I was watching a bunch of Disney movies with my sister yesterday and I do not think they are a good influence on children, especially girls. The movies are full of racist and sexist messages.
The classic Disney princesses are all dangerously underweight. Many are passive and helpless and even those who do have some control over their own lives are still ultimately reliant on the prince to save them. Most marry in their teens.
On top of this there is a pattern in the appearances of the characters. Protagonists of both genders are beautiful, supporting characters are strange looking and villains are ugly or monstrous. This clearly sends the wrong message about appearance. Villains are always darker in colour than the heroes as well. Even on the rare occasion heroes are not white they are always lighter skinned than the villains.
One exception I noted was Beauty and the Beast which had only the problem of the underweight princess. I also am overlooking the 21st century films as they do not have the same influence as the older ones in popular culture.
I would not take issue with any of this if these were movies for adults, but as Disney movies are not only aimed at young children but are usually the first movies children see it is important to be aware of the lessons they are teaching.

What does everybody else think? Are Disney movies a bad influence on children? Do the characters make good role models?

EDIT: I would like to retract my claim about Beauty and the Beast not being harmful in light of some well reasoned responses. I still think it is better than most but clearly there are problems I missed.
EDIT 2: I would like to make clear that this isn't a call for censorship or banning Disney or anything like that. If you think it is please read the OP again.
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Postby The Sector Union » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:38 am

Yes they are.
The Disney Cult is re-establishing films with stories that weren't really meant for kids in the first place. Many of the movies contain these subliminal messages about sex.

I know Walt Disney was a social conservative but his legacy has been hijacked by some fat corporate slob. and don't get me started on the garbage Disney Channel puts, those are worst than the movies.
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:40 am

Bad for girls I'd say. Lots of "life begins when you get a man" kind of thing.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:42 am

Can't we all just enjoy a good cartoon without searching for racial undertones?
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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Can't we all just enjoy a good cartoon without searching for racial undertones?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:43 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Can't we all just enjoy a good cartoon without searching for racial undertones?

Nope.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:44 am

The Sector Union wrote:Yes they are.
The Disney Cult is re-establishing films with stories that weren't really meant for kids in the first place. Many of the movies contain these subliminal messages about sex.

I know Walt Disney was a social conservative but his legacy has been hijacked by some fat corporate slob. and don't get me started on the garbage Disney Channel puts, those are worst than the movies.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Can't we all just enjoy a good cartoon without searching for racial undertones?

Nope.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:44 am

Bad for girls, probably. Not all of them show weak female characters though. Mulan for one.
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Postby BLU Builders League United » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:44 am

The Sector Union wrote:Yes they are.
The Disney Cult is re-establishing films with stories that weren't really meant for kids in the first place. Many of the movies contain these subliminal messages about sex.

I know Walt Disney was a social conservative but his legacy has been hijacked by some fat corporate slob. and don't get me started on the garbage Disney Channel puts, those are worst than the movies.

It's not like the children are automatically going to see and understand the "subliminal messages".

You're just as bad as those YouTube goons. :p
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:46 am

Like, do they rot your teeth or give you lung cancer? No, I don't think so.

In all seriousness, I can see what people are saying about them and Nickelodeon promoting the sexualisation of young girls. But I have to say: Is it only them? Look at our society in general. It's everywhere. Clothing brands, various television channels - it's everywhere. Don't want your little girl to be exposed to it? Keep her away from it. Homeschool her, don't own a TV, and sew your own clothes.

You can either get out there and make a difference - protest, write letters, preach, whatever - or just deal with it, and let your daughter wear clothes more appropriate for someone that has already hit puberty and start wanting a boyfriend at six years old. Don't sit around and bitch about it while your kids listen to Miley Cyrus and go out on a date in fifth grade.
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Postby Crystal Spires » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:46 am

You forgot how Belle had stockholm syndrome and how the beast was monstrously abusive.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:47 am

Khadgar wrote:Bad for girls I'd say. Lots of "life begins when you get a man" kind of thing.

I also think it's bad for boys as they have to be nobility and good looking to get the girl unless you're the Beast in Beauty and the Beast.

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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:47 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Can't we all just enjoy a good cartoon without searching for racial undertones?

Unfortunately not. Which is why I just addressed the sexism part.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:47 am

Khadgar wrote:Bad for girls I'd say. Lots of "life begins when you get a man" kind of thing.

^This.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:47 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nope.

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Postby Soviet Central » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:50 am

Fact is simple. If I own a company, which makes any product (movies and animations included) I as director of this company have full rights to make my product anyway I want. Its my company, my product. It will be anyway I want. Dont like it? Dont use my product. End of story. No philosophy.

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Postby Druidville » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:50 am

I think it's adults who get more worked up over them than kids. That said, I didn't let my kids watch Live-Action Disney TV without serious chats and constant monitoring.
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Postby The Godly Nations » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:50 am

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:52 am

Soviet Central wrote:Fact is simple. If I own a company, which makes any product (movies and animations included) I as director of this company have full rights to make my product anyway I want. Its my company, my product. It will be anyway I want. Dont like it? Dont use my product. End of story. No philosophy.

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Postby TaQud » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:52 am

Meh. I never liked Disney Movies that much....

anyway let the kids watch the movies..
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:53 am

Geilinor wrote:Bad for girls, probably. Not all of them show weak female characters though. Mulan for one.


Mulan's message: "Hey girls if you want to make a difference you just have to be a boy". Not exactly empowering.

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Postby The Sector Union » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:53 am

Look,

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/170929 ... iere.jhtml

Another Disney Star Miley Cyrus gone to the sex path. This is just sick, Disney may have be over with her, but their influence is still there inside her. They sexualize these girls like dirty perverts. This has to stop!!!!
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:54 am

Soviet Central wrote:Fact is simple. If I own a company, which makes any product (movies and animations included) I as director of this company have full rights to make my product anyway I want. Its my company, my product. It will be anyway I want. Dont like it? Dont use my product. End of story. No philosophy.

We still have a right to criticise the company's practices and expose them so others won't make the mistake of endorsing their products.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:54 am

The Sector Union wrote:Look,

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/170929 ... iere.jhtml

Another Disney Star Miley Cyrus gone to the sex path. This is just sick, Disney may have be over with her, but their influence is still there inside her. They sexualize these girls like dirty perverts. This has to stop!!!!

Disney didn't make that video, to be fair. All celebrities are like that. Also, Miley Cyrus is 20. Hardly a girl.
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