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Is the account of the Global Flood a myth?

Yes, it is completely false and I can't believe anyone could possibly believe it happened.
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Maybe, but I do agree with some of your points.
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No, the Global Flood did happen, and it was perfectly possible for it to happen.
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OP is a hermaphroditic species capable of autogamy.
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I haven't read the OP, nor do I intend to; instead, I'm going to post several wholly ignorant comments, be destroyed in an "argument", claim a tie and then spend the rest of the thread telling people to go to bed.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:41 pm

Orham wrote:
Condunum wrote:Did you just use tabletop fantasy gaming terms to describe the great flood? I think I love you.


Oh, I did. And even better, I played by the limitations of each and every spell and item. I was genuinely curious if it was possible to replicate the Great Flood in a tabletop RPG using the rules given to me. Apparently it is, although seeing God running about changing shoes, flipping rings on and off His fingers, and Noah skulking about in the bushes to whack a Bengal tiger with a sleep rod in my head conjured up more laughter than I imagined it would.

I kept imagining Red Mage from 8-Bit Theater was narrating my description. :lol:

Red Mage is awesome and you are awesome for this. Although, I feel that if we have to apply spell limitations, we have to apply character limitations, no? And aren't some rulebooks fond of claiming that using too much magic can make you fall unconscious?

So how exactly does he do all this without passing out? :P
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:41 pm

It may or may not be flawed. We don't really know.

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Postby Condunum » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:42 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:It may or may not be flawed. We don't really know.

No, it's entirely flawed. Not just through physics, but morally too.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:42 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:That's a bit of an eggsaggeration.


It's not my fault your yolk was an albumination.

Really? Egg puns crack me up.

Orham wrote:
Condunum wrote:Did you just use tabletop fantasy gaming terms to describe the great flood? I think I love you.


Oh, I did. And even better, I played by the limitations of each and every spell and item. I was genuinely curious if it was possible to replicate the Great Flood in a tabletop RPG using the rules given to me. Apparently it is, although seeing God running about changing shoes, flipping rings on and off His fingers, and Noah skulking about in the bushes to whack a Bengal tiger with a sleep rod in my head conjured up more laughter than I imagined it would.

I kept imagining Red Mage from 8-Bit Theater was narrating my description. :lol:

By doing so, you have single-handedly disproven my OP. I concede to thee.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:42 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:It may or may not be flawed. We don't really know.


Except we can conclude that it is flawed by looking at the figures involved; the maths of the water being one example.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:42 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
It's not my fault your yolk was an albumination.

Really? Egg puns crack me up.

Orham wrote:
Oh, I did. And even better, I played by the limitations of each and every spell and item. I was genuinely curious if it was possible to replicate the Great Flood in a tabletop RPG using the rules given to me. Apparently it is, although seeing God running about changing shoes, flipping rings on and off His fingers, and Noah skulking about in the bushes to whack a Bengal tiger with a sleep rod in my head conjured up more laughter than I imagined it would.

I kept imagining Red Mage from 8-Bit Theater was narrating my description. :lol:

By doing so, you have single-handedly disproven my OP. I concede to thee.

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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:43 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:It may or may not be flawed. We don't really know.

We do know.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:45 pm

You're telling me that there might be an issue with the idea that God flooded the entire Earth suddenly and without warning and that one man managed to rebuild all of the animal life on Earth with only two of each kind, or that he even managed to get two of each kind? No way.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:46 pm

Frisivisia wrote:You're telling me that there might be an issue with the idea that God flooded the entire Earth suddenly and without warning and that one man managed to rebuild all of the animal life on Earth with only two of each kind, or that he even managed to get two of each kind? No way.

Fucking crazy, right?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:48 pm

Frisivisia wrote:You're telling me that there might be an issue with the idea that God flooded the entire Earth suddenly and without warning and that one man managed to rebuild all of the animal life on Earth with only two of each kind, or that he even managed to get two of each kind? No way.

It's an unlikely possibility, it doesn't mean we shouldn't explore it.
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Postby Angle Empire » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:48 pm

(So much to refute, so little time!)
Most of your claims are answered here:

http://creation.com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers

http://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

If you have an issue, ask one of their staff members here: http://creation.com/worldwide-contact-information
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Postby Individuality-ness » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:50 pm

Angle Empire wrote:(So much to refute, so little time!)
Most of your claims are answered here:

http://creation.com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers

http://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

:rofl: A site called creation.com? That's an unbiased source?

Hold on, let me laugh harder.

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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:50 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You're telling me that there might be an issue with the idea that God flooded the entire Earth suddenly and without warning and that one man managed to rebuild all of the animal life on Earth with only two of each kind, or that he even managed to get two of each kind? No way.

It's an unlikely possibility, it doesn't mean we shouldn't explore it.

Growing species from two individuals without killing it with inbreeding would be nigh impossible, not to mention that he only had eight humans, all of whom were related. There also remains the issue that there would have to be an all-powerful God, which is almost certainly untrue.
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Postby Orham » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:51 pm

Condunum wrote:So how exactly does he do all this without passing out? :P


The Endurance feat might be taken to apply to spellcasting. If not, a homebrew Spellcasting Endurance feat does not seem particularly imbalanced or without merit.
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Postby Tsuntion » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:51 pm

Angle Empire wrote:(So much to refute, so little time!)
Most of your claims are answered here:

http://creation.com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers

http://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

If you have an issue, ask one of their staff members here: http://creation.com/worldwide-contact-information


Linkspam isn't nice and isn't encouraging of good discussion. Please summarise the major points made, in particular the ones relevant to the OP.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:51 pm

Condunum wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You're telling me that there might be an issue with the idea that God flooded the entire Earth suddenly and without warning and that one man managed to rebuild all of the animal life on Earth with only two of each kind, or that he even managed to get two of each kind? No way.

Fucking crazy, right?

How could you not believe? Where do I put my tithing?
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:51 pm

Angle Empire wrote:(So much to refute, so little time!)
Most of your claims are answered here:

http://creation.com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers

http://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

If you have an issue, ask one of their staff members here: http://creation.com/worldwide-contact-information

The first article I just looked at from there was complete nonsense. Actually debate a point rather than posting links.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:51 pm

Angle Empire wrote:(So much to refute, so little time!)
Most of your claims are answered here:

http://creation.com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers

http://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

If you have an issue, ask one of their staff members here: http://creation.com/worldwide-contact-information

That first one leads to a link explaining how animals got on the ark.
That link is basically saying this: We can't explain Noah's Ark without evolution, so we'll suppose evolution is real for now. Obviously we'll say it's not when you forget about this and go on to genesis.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:51 pm

Angle Empire wrote:(So much to refute, so little time!)
Most of your claims are answered here:

http://creation.com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers

http://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

If you have an issue, ask one of their staff members here: http://creation.com/worldwide-contact-information


Pseudoscientific horseshit claiming that there are gigantic underground reservoirs of water large enough to flood the entire Earth to a depth of several kilometres, and that these all burst forth at the same time, is not evidence or a refutation.

It's "But, but, but, but what about THIS ridiculously unlikely scenario with no scientific basis! HA!"
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:52 pm

Orham wrote:
Condunum wrote:So how exactly does he do all this without passing out? :P


The Endurance feat might be taken to apply to spellcasting. If not, a homebrew Spellcasting Endurance feat does not seem particularly imbalanced or without merit.

Hmm... Well, I'm sure god could pull it off. Thanks :lol2:
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Postby Orham » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:53 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:By doing so, you have single-handedly disproven my OP. I concede to thee.


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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:53 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It's an unlikely possibility, it doesn't mean we shouldn't explore it.

Growing species from two individuals without killing it with inbreeding would be nigh impossible, not to mention that he only had eight humans, all of whom were related. There also remains the issue that there would have to be an all-powerful God, which is almost certainly untrue.

Fallacious atheistic nonsense. Those who reject God are clearly incapable of grasping basic logical concepts.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:53 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Condunum wrote:Fucking crazy, right?

How could you not believe? Where do I put my tithing?

*opens bag*

I'm collecting. I'll uhh... I'll make sure it gets there safe. You can trust me. I'm a descendant of Noah.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:53 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Growing species from two individuals without killing it with inbreeding would be nigh impossible, not to mention that he only had eight humans, all of whom were related. There also remains the issue that there would have to be an all-powerful God, which is almost certainly untrue.

Fallacious atheistic nonsense. Those who reject God are clearly incapable of grasping basic logical concepts.

Until you find me proof that God exists, I'm going to go on not believing in him.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:54 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Angle Empire wrote:(So much to refute, so little time!)
Most of your claims are answered here:

http://creation.com/noahs-ark-questions-and-answers

http://creation.com/noahs-flood-questions-and-answers

If you have an issue, ask one of their staff members here: http://creation.com/worldwide-contact-information


Pseudoscientific horseshit claiming that there are gigantic underground reservoirs of water large enough to flood the entire Earth to a depth of several kilometres, and that these all burst forth at the same time, is not evidence or a refutation.

It's "But, but, but, but what about THIS ridiculously unlikely scenario with no scientific basis! HA!"

I'm bookmarking that website so I can have a laugh from time to time.
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