Ultimate Football (Soccer) Thread (2013-2014)

[Liventia]

My Football League side Wycombe lost today against 10-man Fleetwood. Still in the throes of an almighty relegation battle at the bottom of the league pyramid. Hope they stay up.

[Apox]

Well I just had a glance down the bottom of the Championship for the first time in a while (down normally need to, Reading are top half ). How the hell are Birmingham and Blackpool doing so badly?

[Bundabunda]

My FIFA career modes always make for good laughs.

I usually play with Spurs or City, City just to see what my best team looks like. Two seasons in, and I have a small country's worth of attacking mids and fullbacks, but am desperately lacking in defensive mids, strikers and center backs. Solution? Play Hulk as a box to box because of his high stamina, put Leandro (I'm on FIFA 12, he's a bit of a Career Mode Legend) as striker, Hazard and Bale go on the wings, Eriksen in the middle. I haven't found a replacement for Yaya Toure, but am loving Sissoko's work as a super sub.

My brother's FIFA 13 career with is a bit ridiculous. With Man City, he has a transfer budget of £700 million plus.
His best team: Neuer - Ramos (FB), Pique, Hummels/Ranocchia, Marcelo (FB) - Busquets, Fabregas (DMs) - Lucas, El Sharaawy (wingers) - Gotze (CAM) - Neymar (ST)

All have overalls of 85+, 7 seasons in. Although, he's giving up on buying new players and intends to build up a team from his youth squad.

Youth in FIFA always seems broken to me. Even if I play one wonderkid for an entire season (well, I do rest them if they're really drained), they never get past 80. Frustrating, since I have a budget capable of buying both Ronaldo and Messi, but want to challenge myself.

EDIT: With the Moyes news out today, does anyone really get a "beginning of the end" feeling for Man United? As in they'll try to go ater big managers like Siemone and Klopp, but anyone they go after are ultra loyal to the place they're managing, and end up with several managers for the next twenty years?

Looks like managerial stability is not only dying, but short term fixes seem preferable. Arsenal are struggling at fourth place while Newcastle is going to be dragged into a relegation fight down the road with Pardew.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

Just attended an MLS game. The Columbus Crew drew with D.C. United 1-1.

[Apox]

EDIT: With the Moyes news out today, does anyone really get a "beginning of the end" feeling for Man United? As in they'll try to go ater big managers like Siemone and Klopp, but anyone they go after are ultra loyal to the place they're managing, and end up with several managers for the next twenty years?

Looks like managerial stability is not only dying, but short term fixes seem preferable. Arsenal are struggling at fourth place while Newcastle is going to be dragged into a relegation fight down the road with Pardew.

If this news is really true, then I must say I'm disappointed in the Man United board. Sure, Moyes might have had a poor season, but I'm really not a fan of short term managerial decisions. In the long run in many cases it doesn't work because, just as a manager is trying to craft a team in their own image, get the right signings etc. they've been sacked, leading to a continuous state of a manager adjusting to playing a team with a load of players they didn't sign and perhaps wouldn't have signed. For this reason, I also don't agree with Tottenham sacking AVB this season, even if many of his signings haven't filled the Bale sized gap left behind.

I agree that this isn't true all cases but overall I don't think the short term manager option is a beneficial one to the extent it has been taken. Of all the managers brought in during this season in the Premier League only Tony Pulis has made a big difference, with possibly Felix Magath and Gus Poyet being good changes if either side manages to escape relegation. The other six manager changes have either not improved the teams form or seen their form get worse. Ha, sorry for the rant everyone, I just think the way the situation is going is stupid.

And if the rumours about Moyes are true, then could we perhaps see Man United go into a period of Liverpool style decline? Would be ironic if that happened in the year Liverpool won the title and returned to form (if they do indeed win the title). Early days yet, but could happen.

[Eastfield Lodge]

My brother's FIFA 13 career with is a bit ridiculous. With Man City, he has a transfer budget of £700 million plus.
His best team: Neuer - Ramos (FB), Pique, Hummels/Ranocchia, Marcelo (FB) - Busquets, Fabregas (DMs) - Lucas, El Sharaawy (wingers) - Gotze (CAM) - Neymar (ST)

All have overalls of 85+, 7 seasons in. Although, he's giving up on buying new players and intends to build up a team from his youth squad.

Youth in FIFA always seems broken to me. Even if I play one wonderkid for an entire season (well, I do rest them if they're really drained), they never get past 80. Frustrating, since I have a budget capable of buying both Ronaldo and Messi, but want to challenge myself.

EDIT: With the Moyes news out today, does anyone really get a "beginning of the end" feeling for Man United? As in they'll try to go ater big managers like Siemone and Klopp, but anyone they go after are ultra loyal to the place they're managing, and end up with several managers for the next twenty years?

Looks like managerial stability is not only dying, but short term fixes seem preferable. Arsenal are struggling at fourth place while Newcastle is going to be dragged into a relegation fight down the road with Pardew.

It's just the rare talents that do get above 80. Annoyingly, my York City youth squad produced two such talents in a short space of time. Both now above 80 after one or two seasons, and both play in goal...

Newcastle have demonstrated why it's a very bad idea to give your manager a 7 year contract extension after just a year and a half in the job (although those 1.5 years were quite good).

[Bundabunda]

Wait, did you say 7? I knew he got a long contract extension, but I was thinking it'd be the span of three or four years. It must be that he's good friends with Pardew and all.

Anyway, there's a ton of talent on Newcastle still. You lot may have a shot at buying Remy permanently, Krul is one of the top keepers in the league, Ben Arfa still has time to develop into a special talent, and I'd kill to have Santon in Tottenham over Rose. Cabaye really was the one who held it together, it looks like.

If this news is really true, then I must say I'm disappointed in the Man United board. Sure, Moyes might have had a poor season, but I'm really not a fan of short term managerial decisions. In the long run in many cases it doesn't work because, just as a manager is trying to craft a team in their own image, get the right signings etc. they've been sacked, leading to a continuous state of a manager adjusting to playing a team with a load of players they didn't sign and perhaps wouldn't have signed. For this reason, I also don't agree with Tottenham sacking AVB this season, even if many of his signings haven't filled the Bale sized gap left behind.

I agree that this isn't true all cases but overall I don't think the short term manager option is a beneficial one to the extent it has been taken. Of all the managers brought in during this season in the Premier League only Tony Pulis has made a big difference, with possibly Felix Magath and Gus Poyet being good changes if either side manages to escape relegation. The other six manager changes have either not improved the teams form or seen their form get worse. Ha, sorry for the rant everyone, I just think the way the situation is going is stupid.

And if the rumours about Moyes are true, then could we perhaps see Man United go into a period of Liverpool style decline? Would be ironic if that happened in the year Liverpool won the title and returned to form (if they do indeed win the title). Early days yet, but could happen.

As a Tottenham fan, firing AVB was the right choice IMO. Most of the signings he didn't want because they didn't fit his system. And for me, it wasn't even losing, it was that he saw nothing wrong with what he was doing (though this could apply to Sherwood too, arguably). There was absolutely zero progress from the span of 6-0 to Man City then 5-0 to Liverpool. At least with Sherwood, we're getting goals in. If we spent 100 million Pounds on talent and the manager couldn't find a way to make them work together, it's not the players' fault. Even last year gives some insight into what was wrong with him, with Bale constantly saving our hides at the death with 25 yard screamers.

I for one would love to see Man United's decline. I think they may, actually, considering all the big names save Van Gaal (thinking of the Guardiolas, Contes, Klopps, Siemones, etc.) are already committed elsewhere. "We're Man United" can only take you so far, and David Moyes looks like the ceiling for them if I'm being honest. Here's hoping to more dynamic seasons like this at the expense of United.

But in all cases, I think managers trying to mold a team into their image, that era's gone too. Tottenham's rebuilding after Bale is probably a great example. We brought in a new guy just to look for talent, and we did get a lot of great players. If I'm not mistaken, even this Liverpool squad isn't fully formed into Rodgers's image- his contribution has been tactics, and besides that, just Coutinho and Sturridge.

[Auremena]

EDIT: With the Moyes news out today, does anyone really get a "beginning of the end" feeling for Man United? As in they'll try to go ater big managers like Siemone and Klopp, but anyone they go after are ultra loyal to the place they're managing, and end up with several managers for the next twenty years?

Looks like managerial stability is not only dying, but short term fixes seem preferable. Arsenal are struggling at fourth place while Newcastle is going to be dragged into a relegation fight down the road with Pardew.

If this news is really true, then I must say I'm disappointed in the Man United board. Sure, Moyes might have had a poor season, but I'm really not a fan of short term managerial decisions. In the long run in many cases it doesn't work because, just as a manager is trying to craft a team in their own image, get the right signings etc. they've been sacked, leading to a continuous state of a manager adjusting to playing a team with a load of players they didn't sign and perhaps wouldn't have signed. For this reason, I also don't agree with Tottenham sacking AVB this season, even if many of his signings haven't filled the Bale sized gap left behind.

I agree that this isn't true all cases but overall I don't think the short term manager option is a beneficial one to the extent it has been taken. Of all the managers brought in during this season in the Premier League only Tony Pulis has made a big difference, with possibly Felix Magath and Gus Poyet being good changes if either side manages to escape relegation. The other six manager changes have either not improved the teams form or seen their form get worse. Ha, sorry for the rant everyone, I just think the way the situation is going is stupid.

And if the rumours about Moyes are true, then could we perhaps see Man United go into a period of Liverpool style decline? Would be ironic if that happened in the year Liverpool won the title and returned to form (if they do indeed win the title). Early days yet, but could happen.

What some people just don't understand is that it's impossible to properly replace Sir Alex. When you go from someone that great and had been there that long to anyone else, there's going to be a recovery period. If Arsenal doesn't end up with the FA cup, Champion's League, and Wenger gets sacked like the rumours are if those happen, Arsenal would struggle too. Of course it's impossible to relate that to any other manager because none of the rest have even been with their clubs for 4 seasons yet (Pardew is in his 4th, IIRC)
Nonetheless, I still make all the fun I want about Moyes, and harass my friends who are United "supporters" (the terms is used very lightly in the states by those who claim to support United) about their table position.

[Bundabunda]

I agree partially with this:

What some people just don't understand is that it's impossible to properly replace Sir
Alex.

While Ferguson's staying power is something else, it's not like he's the only manager who's had to rebuild teams. No wonder they want Klopp over anyone else. He's keeping Borrusia Dortmund competitive while the biggest title challenger leeches off of their youth talent yearly. Loyalty is rare to find in the modern game, but it's easily there. Someone like Guardiola or Siemone, again, is very hard to get even for Man U because loyalty tells both of them to stay.

There's a lot of pressure, but I'm sure one of Guradiola or Klopp would be very much able, the former seems to get bored after winning everything, so there's that. In any case, I doubt we'll ever see a truly great manager in our lifetime who sticks with one club for twenty odd years.

When you go from someone that great and had been there that long to anyone else, there's going to be a recovery period.

Especially with United's squad. Their back four is a shambles, they have no steel in midfield, and are over-stacked in attacking options. A lot of this falls on Ferguson. If Moyes's trademark is a sound defense, Ferguson really did make his job as hard as humanly possible with the squad that Moyes inherited.

If Arsenal doesn't end up with the FA cup, Champion's League, and Wenger gets sacked like the rumours are if those happen, Arsenal would struggle too. Of course it's impossible to relate that to any other manager because none of the rest have even been with their clubs for 4 seasons yet (Pardew is in his 4th, IIRC)

I mean, do we really need stable managers to have a good squad anymore, though?

Look at Chelsea. People slag off on their "dirty oligarch money", but their net spending is down from an all time high from 5-6 years ago, when they bought Torres. Their most recent signing in Nemanja Matic costs only 4 million more than Paulinho. They've got the prototypical mercenary manager in Mourinho, who'll likely leave them in three years. Yet they're always a shout for the title every season.

Even their best players, William, Oscar and Hazard, Tottenham all had shots at two years ago, but then Chelsea won the CL.

Nonetheless, I still make all the fun I want about Moyes, and harass my friends who are United "supporters" (the terms is used very lightly in the states by those who claim to support United) about their table position.

This is probably my favorite part of all this. "We don't want a revolving door for a manager!" has quickly turned into the "Moyes Out!" brigade foaming at the mouth.

[Auremena]

I agree partially with this:

What some people just don't understand is that it's impossible to properly replace Sir
Alex.

While Ferguson's staying power is something else, it's not like he's the only manager who's had to rebuild teams. No wonder they want Klopp over anyone else. He's keeping Borrusia Dortmund competitive while the biggest title challenger leeches off of their youth talent yearly. Loyalty is rare to find in the modern game, but it's easily there. Someone like Guardiola or Siemone, again, is very hard to get even for Man U because loyalty tells both of them to stay.

There's a lot of pressure, but I'm sure one of Guradiola or Klopp would be very much able, the former seems to get bored after winning everything, so there's that. In any case, I doubt we'll ever see a truly great manager in our lifetime who sticks with one club for twenty odd years.

When you go from someone that great and had been there that long to anyone else, there's going to be a recovery period.

Especially with United's squad. Their back four is a shambles, they have no steel in midfield, and are over-stacked in attacking options. A lot of this falls on Ferguson. If Moyes's trademark is a sound defense, Ferguson really did make his job as hard as humanly possible with the squad that Moyes inherited.

If Arsenal doesn't end up with the FA cup, Champion's League, and Wenger gets sacked like the rumours are if those happen, Arsenal would struggle too. Of course it's impossible to relate that to any other manager because none of the rest have even been with their clubs for 4 seasons yet (Pardew is in his 4th, IIRC)

I mean, do we really need stable managers to have a good squad anymore, though?

Look at Chelsea. People slag off on their "dirty oligarch money", but their net spending is down from an all time high from 5-6 years ago, when they bought Torres. Their most recent signing in Nemanja Matic costs only 4 million more than Paulinho. They've got the prototypical mercenary manager in Mourinho, who'll likely leave them in three years. Yet they're always a shout for the title every season.

Even their best players, William, Oscar and Hazard, Tottenham all had shots at two years ago, but then Chelsea won the CL.

Nonetheless, I still make all the fun I want about Moyes, and harass my friends who are United "supporters" (the terms is used very lightly in the states by those who claim to support United) about their table position.

This is probably my favorite part of all this. "We don't want a revolving door for a manager!" has quickly turned into the "Moyes Out!" brigade foaming at the mouth.

Guardia and loyalty don't go in the same sentence for me. He's going to stay at Bayern because he gets paid boatloads of money so he stays. United should be more concerned with repairing their back four than paying for Guardiola. Moyes will do, if he gets someone to replace Rafael and Evra first, and then another CB. Jones is class, while Smalling and Evans will do for now.

I guess the way I see that even though managerial stability is rare nowdays, and not required for a good squad possibly, but when you have had stability, you get a new manager in who has a different vision for the team, perhaps an attempt to modernize it, as what Moyes seemed to do, preferring a 4-2-3-1, considered "the" formation I'm football nowdays (I prefer myself a nice 4-3-3, especially if you can play in the way Barcelona or Liverpool do, drop back the CF and the wingers playing more like the inside forwards of yore) which has just an overall more defensive quality in look and feel than anything like the 4-4-2, which not ten years ago was the standard formation.

[Nierr]

If this news is really true, then I must say I'm disappointed in the Man United board. Sure, Moyes might have had a poor season, but I'm really not a fan of short term managerial decisions. In the long run in many cases it doesn't work because, just as a manager is trying to craft a team in their own image, get the right signings etc. they've been sacked, leading to a continuous state of a manager adjusting to playing a team with a load of players they didn't sign and perhaps wouldn't have signed.

The problem with this is that a team crafted in Moyes' image would play a decidedly un-Man United style of football and I think that's equally as much as a problem for the board as Moyes failed signings (Mata aside).

[Bundabunda]

Guardia and loyalty don't go in the same sentence for me. He's going to stay at Bayern because he gets paid boatloads of money so he stays. United should be more concerned with repairing their back four than paying for Guardiola. Moyes will do, if he gets someone to replace Rafael and Evra first, and then another CB. Jones is class, while Smalling and Evans will do for now.

I guess the way I see that even though managerial stability is rare nowdays, and not required for a good squad possibly, but when you have had stability, you get a new manager in who has a different vision for the team, perhaps an attempt to modernize it, as what Moyes seemed to do, preferring a 4-2-3-1, considered "the" formation I'm football nowdays (I prefer myself a nice 4-3-3, especially if you can play in the way Barcelona or Liverpool do, drop back the CF and the wingers playing more like the inside forwards of yore) which has just an overall more defensive quality in look and feel than anything like the 4-4-2, which not ten years ago was the standard formation.

I prefer a 4-2-3-1, but in "attack" mode-that is, a box to box and a pure defensive mid partnership in the middle, a trequarista and two pacy wingers in the front three, and a pure poacher up front. Tottenham could pull that off, especially with the Sandro-Dembele and Walker-Lennon partnerships finally maturing. Formation for me doesn't really dictate intent though. Juventus's 3-5-2, from what I've seen, turns into a horrendous 8-1-1 when they're in defense. These formations really single out what the team looks like in attack, so Tim Sherwood tells me.

I think that Moyes's 4-2-3-1 wouldn't look too much like mine, though. He's all about that strong defensive unit, and just by looking at the the back four of Jagielka, Coleman, Baines, and even backup Stones, all of those defenders can at least be on Chelsea's bench. What I think his problem at Man U is that this level of defense isn't there. People want Kroos and Vidal (neither of which are happening, IMO) to come to their club, but their back four isn't Moyes-esque. He's all about a solid brick wall for a defense.

At the end of the day, it comes down to Rooney and RvP. When you have midfield talent like Janazzuj, Mata and Kagawa to fill the three, Rooney really has no business in midfield. At the same time, RvP's one of the top ten strikers in the world. This evil contract that Rooney's drawn up is going to cost them so much in the long term.

Their summer is going to be a headache though. Not only do they have to sign quality, but depth as well. Not sure how far 100 million will actually take them if Woodward is serious about the big names.

[Auremena]

Guardia and loyalty don't go in the same sentence for me. He's going to stay at Bayern because he gets paid boatloads of money so he stays. United should be more concerned with repairing their back four than paying for Guardiola. Moyes will do, if he gets someone to replace Rafael and Evra first, and then another CB. Jones is class, while Smalling and Evans will do for now.

I guess the way I see that even though managerial stability is rare nowdays, and not required for a good squad possibly, but when you have had stability, you get a new manager in who has a different vision for the team, perhaps an attempt to modernize it, as what Moyes seemed to do, preferring a 4-2-3-1, considered "the" formation I'm football nowdays (I prefer myself a nice 4-3-3, especially if you can play in the way Barcelona or Liverpool do, drop back the CF and the wingers playing more like the inside forwards of yore) which has just an overall more defensive quality in look and feel than anything like the 4-4-2, which not ten years ago was the standard formation.

I prefer a 4-2-3-1, but in "attack" mode-that is, a box to box and a pure defensive mid partnership in the middle, a trequarista and two pacy wingers in the front three, and a pure poacher up front. Tottenham could pull that off, especially with the Sandro-Dembele and Walker-Lennon partnerships finally maturing. Formation for me doesn't really dictate intent though. Juventus's 3-5-2, from what I've seen, turns into a horrendous 8-1-1 when they're in defense. These formations really single out what the team looks like in attack, so Tim Sherwood tells me.

I think that Moyes's 4-2-3-1 wouldn't look too much like mine, though. He's all about that strong defensive unit, and just by looking at the the back four of Jagielka, Coleman, Baines, and even backup Stones, all of those defenders can at least be on Chelsea's bench. What I think his problem at Man U is that this level of defense isn't there. People want Kroos and Vidal (neither of which are happening, IMO) to come to their club, but their back four isn't Moyes-esque. He's all about a solid brick wall for a defense.

At the end of the day, it comes down to Rooney and RvP. When you have midfield talent like Janazzuj, Mata and Kagawa to fill the three, Rooney really has no business in midfield. At the same time, RvP's one of the top ten strikers in the world. This evil contract that Rooney's drawn up is going to cost them so much in the long term.

Their summer is going to be a headache though. Not only do they have to sign quality, but depth as well. Not sure how far 100 million will actually take them if Woodward is serious about the big names.

Not saying the 4-2-3-1 is inherrently defensive, it just appears to be so. Real Madrid sure don't treat it as such, and when City use it over the 4-4-2 (which I have come to like slightly better, although it does waste talent a bit in the striker department. Utilizing Jovetic more as a second striker could work, but then you have to pull off Nasri, or Silva to make room) it can be very attacking. When done right, the two DMs really have to be more like CMs who are very good at defending as well. Yaya is perfect for this kind of role, Paulinho does it well as well, and Gerrard does it well as well, as he plays as a DM in England's 4-2-3-1. For United, Fellaini can kinda fit into that role, as can Fletcher, but Carrick is more of a pure CM, and Cleverly isn't up to scratch even if he could do the DM/CM role.
I do agree that Rooney does very well in the more out and out striker role than he does as an AM, and it may be time to let Van Persie and/or Chicarrito go, and use that money to get an LB, CB, RB, and two hybrid DM/CM. United would need a pretty big overhaul, similar, but not as dramatic, as Monaco's.

[Bundabunda]

I don't keep up with Monaco, but what are they lacking? Surely they've replaced their striker problems for now, their midfield of Rodriguez, Abidal, and Moutinho, that's not bad at all. Defense maybe?

Anyways, I think that Cleverly's vastly underrated for what he does. I'm not sure why, but I think he'd do very well at Martinez's Everton, considering that he's all about ball retention and recycling posession into midfield. Where he'd fit in, though, that's for another day. He's just hated because he has no business in an English 4-4-2 and lacks the defensive mettle for a 4-2-3-1. He'd do well in a three man midfield because the 4-3-3 doesn't demand much defensively.

It's a shame that he's English, because I think he could do very well at a mid-table club in La Liga.

I think it's time for Hernandez to go too. He's stuck in the same situation that Welback is-since there's Rooney, and RvP ahead of them and Moyes plays one striker, two of them are bound to see very little time. Neither have the talent to overtake Rooney and RvP in the pecking order, but I don't think Hernandez would do well in the PL anyway. His first touch is horrendous and his passing's nothing to write home about, though his passion is sky high. Basically a poor man's Soldado.

[Auremena]

I don't keep up with Monaco, but what are they lacking? Surely they've replaced their striker problems for now, their midfield of Rodriguez, Abidal, and Moutinho, that's not bad at all. Defense maybe?

Anyways, I think that Cleverly's vastly underrated for what he does. I'm not sure why, but I think he'd do very well at Martinez's Everton, considering that he's all about ball retention and recycling posession into midfield. Where he'd fit in, though, that's for another day. He's just hated because he has no business in an English 4-4-2 and lacks the defensive mettle for a 4-2-3-1. He'd do well in a three man midfield because the 4-3-3 doesn't demand much defensively.

It's a shame that he's English, because I think he could do very well at a mid-table club in La Liga.

I think it's time for Hernandez to go too. He's stuck in the same situation that Welback is-since there's Rooney, and RvP ahead of them and Moyes plays one striker, two of them are bound to see very little time. Neither have the talent to overtake Rooney and RvP in the pecking order, but I don't think Hernandez would do well in the PL anyway. His first touch is horrendous and his passing's nothing to write home about, though his passion is sky high. Basically a poor man's Soldado.

I was talking about their massive purchases at the beginning of the season. But their defense is still lacking, and the CBs, which the two main ones (Abidal and Carvahlo) are good but ageing. Abdennour is pretty much the only one who is good and not voer 30 in the entire defense. The fullbacks are kinda weak. The midfield could use a little bit of depth but isn't really an issue. James at the point, Moutinho and Kondogbia at CM, Toulalan at DM, but there's only Obbadi and Barazite avalible on the bench. Ferreira and Ocampos are promising youngsters, but are wingers rather than CMs. The formation would have to open wide to accommodate them, something I personally wouldn't want to do with a 4-4-2 diamond.

He could, which is sad. How many English players play outside of England in Europe? I can only think of Eric Dier, young CB/DM for SCP. He plays in Portugal, as he moved with his mother at a young age and joined the SCP youth ranks. There are probably a few in Ireland and Scotland, but I doubt there are many, if any, in Italy, Germany, Spain, and France.

Chicharrito could possibly find employment in Italy, where many teams play a 3-5-2, where one of the strikers is more reserved and the other is just blazing fast to recieve through balls, as Udinese does with Muriel up front and the ageing and slowing but still quite amazing Di Natale playing more of an SS type role. Money would be an issue though, as not many Italian clubs have much money. So, there's always Russia. Big money for big names, I'm pretty sure Zenit or CSKA would be willing to pay for what United would be asking.

[Osarius]

How the hell are Birmingham and Blackpool doing so badly?

Small Heath because they're shit. Blackpool because no Olly.

Seemplez.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Man U have just confirmed Moyes has left the club on their Twitter account.

[Saugeais]

Man U have just confirmed Moyes has left the club on their Twitter account.

Was just about to come in here and announce >moyes out.

[Britcan]

Man U have just confirmed Moyes has left the club on their Twitter account.

Apparently Giggs may be serving as player-manager until the end of the season which could be interesting.

[Saugeais]

Man U have just confirmed Moyes has left the club on their Twitter account.

Apparently Giggs may be serving as player-manager until the end of the season which could be interesting.

How so? I guess you could say that Man U are out a midfielder now with Giggs taking the role. I don't see him taking the field for the rest of the season, then smoothly transitioning to full-time coach afterwards.

[Nierr]

Has Giggs played all that much this season anyway?

[Britcan]

Apparently Giggs may be serving as player-manager until the end of the season which could be interesting.

How so? I guess you could say that Man U are out a midfielder now with Giggs taking the role. I don't see him taking the field for the rest of the season, then smoothly transitioning to full-time coach afterwards.

I meant that it would be interesting to see how well Giggs does in a managerial role. I would agree that he probably wont take to the field for the rest of the season, but that's interesting in it's own way as, if I'm not mistaken, this will now be the first Premier League season that Giggs hasn't scored in.

[Apox]

That's it then, I reckon we've just seen the demise of Man United as a top challenger. Lol.

[The Blaatschapen]

Sooo.... next manager?

Van Gaal?

Any other options?

Frank de Boer? He seems to have a stable thing going with Ajax with soon probably his 4th championship in a row. But he might be a bit unexperienced still.

[Jeckland]

Sooo.... next manager?

Van Gaal?

Any other options?

Frank de Boer? He seems to have a stable thing going with Ajax with soon probably his 4th championship in a row. But he might be a bit unexperienced still.

They'll go with an experienced manager. Inexperience cost them dearly this year.