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Do you support gay rights?

Poll ended at Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:55 pm

Yes
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No
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Postby Ksclve » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:34 am

Jinwoy wrote:
Vazdania wrote:now what if I was autistic and found that funny? hmm???????/


Because you represent 100% of the Autistic population.
If I was, I would find it terribly offensive.
Calling someone else Autistic as an insult is not only disrespectful, it is shameful and truly despicable.


Then, in that case, I'm a really shameful and despicable human being.

Shame on me, shame on me.

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Postby Wazkyraque » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:35 am

Vazdania wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Autism is NOT an insult. Stop that. BAD. *whack*

now what if I was autistic and found that funny? hmm???????/

It doesn't change the fact that it classifies as ableist language.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:35 am

Jinwoy wrote:
Vazdania wrote:now what if I was autistic and found that funny? hmm???????/


Because you represent 100% of the Autistic population.
If I was, I would find it terribly offensive.
Calling someone else Autistic as an insult is not only disrespectful, it is shameful and truly despicable.

why? if we're trying to normalize it, then what difference would it make then lets say calling someone a potato, or carrot, or green bean???
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:35 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:It treats poor homosexual individuals as second class citizens. Remember, Nana, the rich are free to enjoy their perversions, always. If a man with enough wealth wishes to fuck a goat, he will. If the same man wishes to bed another man, he will. The only reason he won't be condemned for it is his wallet. This struggle is not gay vs straight, but poor vs. rich. Only once the upper classes fall can all truly be equal.


Hath, this is not a class war. We're talking about basic rights, and the fact the still, to this date, we deny those to some based on their sexual orientation. If we wish to advance as an egalitarian society, a true one, we need to start treating everyone equally and with respect, regardless of what goes on in the bedroom of consenting adults.

Our lack of basic rights comes from the class war. We see the rich push down the poor, and we ("we" being poor, first rate citizens, not actually me, to clarify) take it out on those who are different. If the rich would stop oppressing the poor, or cease to exist, then eventually equality would work its way down, would it not?

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Postby Greater Beggnig » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:36 am

Herrebrugh wrote:Gay rights are dumb, because Jesus!


:palm: You can't be serious.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:36 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Hath, this is not a class war. We're talking about basic rights, and the fact the still, to this date, we deny those to some based on their sexual orientation. If we wish to advance as an egalitarian society, a true one, we need to start treating everyone equally and with respect, regardless of what goes on in the bedroom of consenting adults.

Our lack of basic rights comes from the class war. We see the rich push down the poor, and we ("we" being poor, first rate citizens, not actually me, to clarify) take it out on those who are different. If the rich would stop oppressing the poor, or cease to exist, then eventually equality would work its way down, would it not?

No. Then we'd all be equally screwed.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:36 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Hath, this is not a class war. We're talking about basic rights, and the fact the still, to this date, we deny those to some based on their sexual orientation. If we wish to advance as an egalitarian society, a true one, we need to start treating everyone equally and with respect, regardless of what goes on in the bedroom of consenting adults.

Our lack of basic rights comes from the class war. We see the rich push down the poor, and we ("we" being poor, first rate citizens, not actually me, to clarify) take it out on those who are different. If the rich would stop oppressing the poor, or cease to exist, then eventually equality would work its way down, would it not?

OH FUCK NO YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT. >:(
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Postby Ksclve » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:36 am

Greater Beggnig wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:Gay rights are dumb, because Jesus!


:palm: You can't be serious.


He wasn't

do you have assburgers?

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Postby Red Croatia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:37 am

I'm going.

You kids play nice.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:37 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Vazdania wrote:now what if I was autistic and found that funny? hmm???????/

That's not really relevant.

Hathradic States wrote:Both of which are quite annoying. If you think he is being childish and immature, don't respond to him. He can't espouse stupidity if no one speaks to him.

I've said this is a catch-22. You shouldn't feed trolls, and yet you have to tell them that they're wrong or they'll never learn.

Ignore them, they die.

Now, if only everybody would ignore them....

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:37 am

Ksclve wrote:
Greater Beggnig wrote:
:palm: You can't be serious.


He wasn't

do you have assburgers?

:palm:
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Postby Agritum » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:37 am

Greater Beggnig wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:Gay rights are dumb, because Jesus!


:palm: You can't be serious.

In fact, he's joking.

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Postby Wazkyraque » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:37 am

Greater Beggnig wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:Gay rights are dumb, because Jesus!


:palm: You can't be serious.

That's because he's not


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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:38 am

Ksclve wrote:
Greater Beggnig wrote: :palm: You can't be serious.

He wasn't

do you have assburgers?

Please do not insinuate that autism/Aspergers gives one the right to be a jerkbutt or that people who are jerks are autistic.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:38 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Hath, this is not a class war. We're talking about basic rights, and the fact the still, to this date, we deny those to some based on their sexual orientation. If we wish to advance as an egalitarian society, a true one, we need to start treating everyone equally and with respect, regardless of what goes on in the bedroom of consenting adults.

Our lack of basic rights comes from the class war. We see the rich push down the poor, and we ("we" being poor, first rate citizens, not actually me, to clarify) take it out on those who are different. If the rich would stop oppressing the poor, or cease to exist, then eventually equality would work its way down, would it not?


I doubt it, mainly because, as I said, this is not a class war of rich vs poor.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:38 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Our lack of basic rights comes from the class war. We see the rich push down the poor, and we ("we" being poor, first rate citizens, not actually me, to clarify) take it out on those who are different. If the rich would stop oppressing the poor, or cease to exist, then eventually equality would work its way down, would it not?


I doubt it, mainly because, as I said, this is not a class war of rich vs poor.

well thank you for being kind to me :3 :hug:
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:38 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Our lack of basic rights comes from the class war. We see the rich push down the poor, and we ("we" being poor, first rate citizens, not actually me, to clarify) take it out on those who are different. If the rich would stop oppressing the poor, or cease to exist, then eventually equality would work its way down, would it not?

No. Then we'd all be equally screwed.

Either way we are all equally screwed, Indi.

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Postby Jinwoy » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:39 am

Vazdania wrote:
Jinwoy wrote:
Because you represent 100% of the Autistic population.
If I was, I would find it terribly offensive.
Calling someone else Autistic as an insult is not only disrespectful, it is shameful and truly despicable.

why? if we're trying to normalize it, then what difference would it make then lets say calling someone a potato, or carrot, or green bean???


Because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no one person alive who can be classified as a potato, a carrot or a bean.
There's a difference between normalisation and using minority class titles as an insult.
Case in point: Fag.

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Postby Greater Beggnig » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:39 am

Ksclve wrote:
Greater Beggnig wrote:
:palm: You can't be serious.


He wasn't

do you have assburgers?


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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:39 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Our lack of basic rights comes from the class war. We see the rich push down the poor, and we ("we" being poor, first rate citizens, not actually me, to clarify) take it out on those who are different. If the rich would stop oppressing the poor, or cease to exist, then eventually equality would work its way down, would it not?


I doubt it, mainly because, as I said, this is not a class war of rich vs poor.

In the end, it all comes back to the classes. The common man is not borne to oppress. He learns it from those lorded above him.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:39 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:No. Then we'd all be equally screwed.

Either way we are all equally screwed, Indi.

Rich people who happen to be LGBTQ are as equally screwed as poor people who are LGBTQ.
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Postby Ascalion » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:39 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Ascalion wrote:Well, I'm iffy on the more than one part. But that is another debate for another day. Other than that, seems we're on a pretty agreeable page. :lol:

Which is totally cool! I support the idea of plural marriage because polyamory is just another thing, but I'm not going to force people to think of it as moral or whatever. Just tolerance is fine. *nod*

Thanks! And I'll be honest, I can kind of understand the issues polyamourous people would face, and most of them are probably personal! I'm just glad I haven't fallen in love with more than one person at a time, makes things FAR easier. I'd rather not be forced to choose. :/ But with polyamority, trying to actually keep multiple relationships going? Cannot be easy.

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Postby Vazdania » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:40 am

Jinwoy wrote:
Vazdania wrote:why? if we're trying to normalize it, then what difference would it make then lets say calling someone a potato, or carrot, or green bean???


Because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no one person alive who can be classified as a potato, a carrot or a bean.
There's a difference between normalisation and using minority class titles as an insult.
Case in point: Fag.

If we are trying to normalize, then why the hell are you giving the word so much power?
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Postby Ksclve » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:40 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Ksclve wrote:He wasn't

do you have assburgers?

Please do not insinuate that autism/Aspergers gives one the right to be a jerkbutt or that people who are jerks are autistic.


But that's true, isn't it?

Autistic people can't take jokes.

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Postby Jinwoy » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:41 am

Vazdania wrote:
Jinwoy wrote:
Because, to the best of my knowledge, there is no one person alive who can be classified as a potato, a carrot or a bean.
There's a difference between normalisation and using minority class titles as an insult.
Case in point: Fag.

If we are trying to normalize, then why the hell are you giving the word so much power?


Explain how exactly I am doing that.
Full detail and everything.

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