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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:29 am

Risottia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:My religion. And I am just going to leave it at that. I don't want to argue about whether God is real or not right now.

Well, your choice; but it's not like enforcing your religious standards on other people is going to help your cause for sanctity a lot.

He already said he doesn't wish to force his views on others.

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Postby Red Croatia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:30 am

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Meryuma wrote:
Why is it immoral? Things aren't just arbitrarily moral or immoral.

My religion. And I am just going to leave it at that. I don't want to argue about whether God is real or not right now.

In that case you should try to be more tolerant.

Have you ever considered that there are other people,with religions,lifestyles and opinions that are not similar to yours and have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to hurt your belief which should not be underlooked by your standards?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:30 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:It's not your fault.

I know, but man, that sucks.

Indeed. The rage-quit was pretty funny though. I have only seen a rage-quit a few times on NSG before.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:30 am

Risottia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:My religion. And I am just going to leave it at that. I don't want to argue about whether God is real or not right now.

Well, your choice; but it's not like enforcing your religious standards on other people is going to help your cause for sanctity a lot.

That's one of the great thing about him: he doesn't try and force his beliefs on others. He hates homosexuality, but he agrees that they deserve the same rights.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:30 am

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Individuality-ness wrote:I know, but man, that sucks.

Indeed. The rage-quit was pretty funny though. I have only seen a rage-quit a few times on NSG before.

Amusing, right? Hopefully no suicide by mod though.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:30 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:It's not your fault.

I know, but man, that sucks.

*pats on back* Look, now you've depressed her!
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Postby Caecuser » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:30 am

The Orson Empire wrote:
Meryuma wrote:
Why is it immoral? Things aren't just arbitrarily moral or immoral.

My religion. And I am just going to leave it at that. I don't want to argue about whether God is real or not right now.


So, it'd be immoral to you - but not to people who don't follow your religion. Gotcha.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:31 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I know, but man, that sucks.

*pats on back* Look, now you've depressed her!

What did I do?!

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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:32 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Risottia wrote:Well, your choice; but it's not like enforcing your religious standards on other people is going to help your cause for sanctity a lot.

He already said he doesn't wish to force his views on others.

Correct.

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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:32 am

Red Croatia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:My religion. And I am just going to leave it at that. I don't want to argue about whether God is real or not right now.

In that case you should try to be more tolerant.

Have you ever considered that there are other people,with religions,lifestyles and opinions that are not similar to yours and have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to hurt your belief should not be underlooked by your standards?

You can view people as degenerates and still allow them equal rights. I look down on many people, yet I do not hold it against them, and do not think it reason to forbid them rights.

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Postby Ascalion » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:32 am

I'm going to make everyone on both sides mad by saying I support them, I'm straight, and I'm Christian. So why do I support them? Because the Bible said a man shall not lie with a man, and a woman shall not lie with a woman. Now, by Jesus' time, he stopped an angry mob from stoning an adulteress to death. Now, in my eyes (the eyes of a Christian) adultery and homosexuality have one thing in common; they are both sexual sins that did not hurt anyone (physically at least). I also know that the Bible said words to the effect of respecting your government. I think God wants us to love everyone, and I think, as a Christian, there is no part of my faith that says homosexuality should be illegal. So that said, I think we should legalize gay rights, and since it is not contradicting our faith (being that it is not our business) we should respect the law.

Please, no religion debate. It is very tiring, and no one here has a camera that can take pictures of God being there or not being there. So I very highly doubt you'll disprove him or prove him. That said, I bring this up because many fundamentalist churches have cast a poor shadow upon us Christians. I, and many others like me, do not hate homosexuals. Some still are against gay right (specifically marriage), but marriage is not a strictly Christian thing, so why should it be denied from homosexuals?

My last point to make people mad is that, although I support gay rights, I do not support gay pride parades. Reason being? After seeing enough cardboard genitals, it kinda puts a person off. If you wish to celebrate your freedoms and rights, feel free to do so! Just please tone down the sexuality. This isn't just a beef I have with homosexuals, I have seen even teeny boppers swallowing each others faces that I want to puke. I would appreciate not seeing any of that. I'm sure many would call this unreasonable. Well, sorry that I have my own set of morals (something you would call "prudish") but I have a right to them, and they don't seem to be infringing on anyone else's.

Other than that little bit, gay rights are fine.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:33 am

Red Croatia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:My religion. And I am just going to leave it at that. I don't want to argue about whether God is real or not right now.

In that case you should try to be more tolerant.

Have you ever considered that there are other people,with religions,lifestyles and opinions that are not similar to yours and have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to hurt your belief which should not be underlooked by your standards?

I have already said that I do not wish to force my beliefs on others.

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Postby Red Croatia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:34 am

Ascalion wrote:I'm going to make everyone on both sides mad by saying I support them, I'm straight, and I'm Christian. So why do I support them? Because the Bible said a man shall not lie with a man, and a woman shall not lie with a woman. Now, by Jesus' time, he stopped an angry mob from stoning an adulteress to death. Now, in my eyes (the eyes of a Christian) adultery and homosexuality have one thing in common; they are both sexual sins that did not hurt anyone (physically at least). I also know that the Bible said words to the effect of respecting your government. I think God wants us to love everyone, and I think, as a Christian, there is no part of my faith that says homosexuality should be illegal. So that said, I think we should legalize gay rights, and since it is not contradicting our faith (being that it is not our business) we should respect the law.

Please, no religion debate. It is very tiring, and no one here has a camera that can take pictures of God being there or not being there. So I very highly doubt you'll disprove him or prove him. That said, I bring this up because many fundamentalist churches have cast a poor shadow upon us Christians. I, and many others like me, do not hate homosexuals. Some still are against gay right (specifically marriage), but marriage is not a strictly Christian thing, so why should it be denied from homosexuals?

My last point to make people mad is that, although I support gay rights, I do not support gay pride parades. Reason being? After seeing enough cardboard genitals, it kinda puts a person off. If you wish to celebrate your freedoms and rights, feel free to do so! Just please tone down the sexuality. This isn't just a beef I have with homosexuals, I have seen even teeny boppers swallowing each others faces that I want to puke. I would appreciate not seeing any of that. I'm sure many would call this unreasonable. Well, sorry that I have my own set of morals (something you would call "prudish") but I have a right to them, and they don't seem to be infringing on anyone else's.

Other than that little bit, gay rights are fine.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:34 am

Ascalion wrote:I'm going to make everyone on both sides mad by saying I support them, I'm straight, and I'm Christian. So why do I support them? Because the Bible said a man shall not lie with a man, and a woman shall not lie with a woman. Now, by Jesus' time, he stopped an angry mob from stoning an adulteress to death. Now, in my eyes (the eyes of a Christian) adultery and homosexuality have one thing in common; they are both sexual sins that did not hurt anyone (physically at least). I also know that the Bible said words to the effect of respecting your government. I think God wants us to love everyone, and I think, as a Christian, there is no part of my faith that says homosexuality should be illegal. So that said, I think we should legalize gay rights, and since it is not contradicting our faith (being that it is not our business) we should respect the law.

Please, no religion debate. It is very tiring, and no one here has a camera that can take pictures of God being there or not being there. So I very highly doubt you'll disprove him or prove him. That said, I bring this up because many fundamentalist churches have cast a poor shadow upon us Christians. I, and many others like me, do not hate homosexuals. Some still are against gay right (specifically marriage), but marriage is not a strictly Christian thing, so why should it be denied from homosexuals?

My last point to make people mad is that, although I support gay rights, I do not support gay pride parades. Reason being? After seeing enough cardboard genitals, it kinda puts a person off. If you wish to celebrate your freedoms and rights, feel free to do so! Just please tone down the sexuality. This isn't just a beef I have with homosexuals, I have seen even teeny boppers swallowing each others faces that I want to puke. I would appreciate not seeing any of that. I'm sure many would call this unreasonable. Well, sorry that I have my own set of morals (something you would call "prudish") but I have a right to them, and they don't seem to be infringing on anyone else's.

Other than that little bit, gay rights are fine.

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Postby Daemonicai » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:35 am

Red Croatia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:My religion. And I am just going to leave it at that. I don't want to argue about whether God is real or not right now.

In that case you should try to be more tolerant.

Have you ever considered that there are other people,with religions,lifestyles and opinions that are not similar to yours and have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to hurt your belief which should not be underlooked by your standards?


Tolerance isn't the same as liking or agreeing with something.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:35 am

Ascalion wrote:I'm going to make everyone on both sides mad by saying I support them, I'm straight, and I'm Christian. So why do I support them? Because the Bible said a man shall not lie with a man, and a woman shall not lie with a woman. Now, by Jesus' time, he stopped an angry mob from stoning an adulteress to death. Now, in my eyes (the eyes of a Christian) adultery and homosexuality have one thing in common; they are both sexual sins that did not hurt anyone (physically at least). I also know that the Bible said words to the effect of respecting your government. I think God wants us to love everyone, and I think, as a Christian, there is no part of my faith that says homosexuality should be illegal. So that said, I think we should legalize gay rights, and since it is not contradicting our faith (being that it is not our business) we should respect the law.

Please, no religion debate. It is very tiring, and no one here has a camera that can take pictures of God being there or not being there. So I very highly doubt you'll disprove him or prove him. That said, I bring this up because many fundamentalist churches have cast a poor shadow upon us Christians. I, and many others like me, do not hate homosexuals. Some still are against gay right (specifically marriage), but marriage is not a strictly Christian thing, so why should it be denied from homosexuals?

My last point to make people mad is that, although I support gay rights, I do not support gay pride parades. Reason being? After seeing enough cardboard genitals, it kinda puts a person off. If you wish to celebrate your freedoms and rights, feel free to do so! Just please tone down the sexuality. This isn't just a beef I have with homosexuals, I have seen even teeny boppers swallowing each others faces that I want to puke. I would appreciate not seeing any of that. I'm sure many would call this unreasonable. Well, sorry that I have my own set of morals (something you would call "prudish") but I have a right to them, and they don't seem to be infringing on anyone else's.

Other than that little bit, gay rights are fine.

Very, very good argument.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:36 am

Ascalion wrote:I'm going to make everyone on both sides mad by saying I support them, I'm straight, and I'm Christian. So why do I support them? Because the Bible said a man shall not lie with a man, and a woman shall not lie with a woman. Now, by Jesus' time, he stopped an angry mob from stoning an adulteress to death. Now, in my eyes (the eyes of a Christian) adultery and homosexuality have one thing in common; they are both sexual sins that did not hurt anyone (physically at least). I also know that the Bible said words to the effect of respecting your government. I think God wants us to love everyone, and I think, as a Christian, there is no part of my faith that says homosexuality should be illegal. So that said, I think we should legalize gay rights, and since it is not contradicting our faith (being that it is not our business) we should respect the law.

Please, no religion debate. It is very tiring, and no one here has a camera that can take pictures of God being there or not being there. So I very highly doubt you'll disprove him or prove him. That said, I bring this up because many fundamentalist churches have cast a poor shadow upon us Christians. I, and many others like me, do not hate homosexuals. Some still are against gay right (specifically marriage), but marriage is not a strictly Christian thing, so why should it be denied from homosexuals?

My last point to make people mad is that, although I support gay rights, I do not support gay pride parades. Reason being? After seeing enough cardboard genitals, it kinda puts a person off. If you wish to celebrate your freedoms and rights, feel free to do so! Just please tone down the sexuality. This isn't just a beef I have with homosexuals, I have seen even teeny boppers swallowing each others faces that I want to puke. I would appreciate not seeing any of that. I'm sure many would call this unreasonable. Well, sorry that I have my own set of morals (something you would call "prudish") but I have a right to them, and they don't seem to be infringing on anyone else's.

Other than that little bit, gay rights are fine.

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Postby Red Croatia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:36 am

Daemonicai wrote:
Red Croatia wrote:In that case you should try to be more tolerant.

Have you ever considered that there are other people,with religions,lifestyles and opinions that are not similar to yours and have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to hurt your belief which should not be underlooked by your standards?


Tolerance isn't the same as liking or agreeing with something.

Oh?

I didn't know that. :roll:
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:37 am

Red Croatia wrote:
Daemonicai wrote:
Tolerance isn't the same as liking or agreeing with something.

Oh?

I didn't know that. :roll:

So you think I'm intolerant? Oh no, I'm actually quite tolerant. I have no desire to get out and march with picket signs like the WBC does.

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Postby Red Croatia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:38 am

The Orson Empire wrote:
Red Croatia wrote:Oh?

I didn't know that. :roll:

So you think I'm intolerant? Oh no, I'm actually quite tolerant. I have no desire to get out and march with picket signs like the WBC does.

Not after your respond.

But according to the post I've responded to-dues to the fact I didn't read up the whole conversation,I'd classify you as such.
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Postby Mkuki » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:39 am

Ascalion wrote:I'm going to make everyone on both sides mad by saying I support them, I'm straight, and I'm Christian. So why do I support them? Because the Bible said a man shall not lie with a man, and a woman shall not lie with a woman. Now, by Jesus' time, he stopped an angry mob from stoning an adulteress to death. Now, in my eyes (the eyes of a Christian) adultery and homosexuality have one thing in common; they are both sexual sins that did not hurt anyone (physically at least). I also know that the Bible said words to the effect of respecting your government. I think God wants us to love everyone, and I think, as a Christian, there is no part of my faith that says homosexuality should be illegal. So that said, I think we should legalize gay rights, and since it is not contradicting our faith (being that it is not our business) we should respect the law.

Please, no religion debate. It is very tiring, and no one here has a camera that can take pictures of God being there or not being there. So I very highly doubt you'll disprove him or prove him. That said, I bring this up because many fundamentalist churches have cast a poor shadow upon us Christians. I, and many others like me, do not hate homosexuals. Some still are against gay right (specifically marriage), but marriage is not a strictly Christian thing, so why should it be denied from homosexuals?

My last point to make people mad is that, although I support gay rights, I do not support gay pride parades. Reason being? After seeing enough cardboard genitals, it kinda puts a person off. If you wish to celebrate your freedoms and rights, feel free to do so! Just please tone down the sexuality. This isn't just a beef I have with homosexuals, I have seen even teeny boppers swallowing each others faces that I want to puke. I would appreciate not seeing any of that. I'm sure many would call this unreasonable. Well, sorry that I have my own set of morals (something you would call "prudish") but I have a right to them, and they don't seem to be infringing on anyone else's.

Other than that little bit, gay rights are fine.


So you came here to piss people off? There's a word for that...
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Postby Divair » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:42 am

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Postby Red Croatia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:42 am

Mkuki wrote:
Ascalion wrote:I'm going to make everyone on both sides mad by saying I support them, I'm straight, and I'm Christian. So why do I support them? Because the Bible said a man shall not lie with a man, and a woman shall not lie with a woman. Now, by Jesus' time, he stopped an angry mob from stoning an adulteress to death. Now, in my eyes (the eyes of a Christian) adultery and homosexuality have one thing in common; they are both sexual sins that did not hurt anyone (physically at least). I also know that the Bible said words to the effect of respecting your government. I think God wants us to love everyone, and I think, as a Christian, there is no part of my faith that says homosexuality should be illegal. So that said, I think we should legalize gay rights, and since it is not contradicting our faith (being that it is not our business) we should respect the law.

Please, no religion debate. It is very tiring, and no one here has a camera that can take pictures of God being there or not being there. So I very highly doubt you'll disprove him or prove him. That said, I bring this up because many fundamentalist churches have cast a poor shadow upon us Christians. I, and many others like me, do not hate homosexuals. Some still are against gay right (specifically marriage), but marriage is not a strictly Christian thing, so why should it be denied from homosexuals?

My last point to make people mad is that, although I support gay rights, I do not support gay pride parades. Reason being? After seeing enough cardboard genitals, it kinda puts a person off. If you wish to celebrate your freedoms and rights, feel free to do so! Just please tone down the sexuality. This isn't just a beef I have with homosexuals, I have seen even teeny boppers swallowing each others faces that I want to puke. I would appreciate not seeing any of that. I'm sure many would call this unreasonable. Well, sorry that I have my own set of morals (something you would call "prudish") but I have a right to them, and they don't seem to be infringing on anyone else's.

Other than that little bit, gay rights are fine.


So you came here to piss people off? There's a word for that...

Excuse me?
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Postby Monlyth » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:42 am

Mkuki wrote:
Ascalion wrote:I'm going to make everyone on both sides mad by saying I support them, I'm straight, and I'm Christian. So why do I support them? Because the Bible said a man shall not lie with a man, and a woman shall not lie with a woman. Now, by Jesus' time, he stopped an angry mob from stoning an adulteress to death. Now, in my eyes (the eyes of a Christian) adultery and homosexuality have one thing in common; they are both sexual sins that did not hurt anyone (physically at least). I also know that the Bible said words to the effect of respecting your government. I think God wants us to love everyone, and I think, as a Christian, there is no part of my faith that says homosexuality should be illegal. So that said, I think we should legalize gay rights, and since it is not contradicting our faith (being that it is not our business) we should respect the law.

Please, no religion debate. It is very tiring, and no one here has a camera that can take pictures of God being there or not being there. So I very highly doubt you'll disprove him or prove him. That said, I bring this up because many fundamentalist churches have cast a poor shadow upon us Christians. I, and many others like me, do not hate homosexuals. Some still are against gay right (specifically marriage), but marriage is not a strictly Christian thing, so why should it be denied from homosexuals?

My last point to make people mad is that, although I support gay rights, I do not support gay pride parades. Reason being? After seeing enough cardboard genitals, it kinda puts a person off. If you wish to celebrate your freedoms and rights, feel free to do so! Just please tone down the sexuality. This isn't just a beef I have with homosexuals, I have seen even teeny boppers swallowing each others faces that I want to puke. I would appreciate not seeing any of that. I'm sure many would call this unreasonable. Well, sorry that I have my own set of morals (something you would call "prudish") but I have a right to them, and they don't seem to be infringing on anyone else's.

Other than that little bit, gay rights are fine.


So you came here to piss people off? There's a word for that...

Enlightened? :D
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Postby Risottia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:42 am

The Orson Empire wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:He already said he doesn't wish to force his views on others.

Correct.

That's the thing the gay-haters instead don't get, though. Our problem (where "us" means "humans") is with them.
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