Democracy is Slavery

[Xsyne]

In Soviet Russia, slavery is democracy.

[New Chalcedon]

I would completely understand the arguement that, while it is technically slavery, you don't care because it isn't "bad slavery." You might even believe that democracy is the best posited form of governance, but that doesn't make it not slavery, that just makes you a slaver apologist.

I hope this guy is kidding.

I shall humor you, then. If democracy is just the slavery of one man to many people, and autocracy is the slavery of many people to one man, then isn't all government essentially slavery? Therefore, the only way to free ourselves from slavery would be anarchy.

Which is exactly what "Libertarianism" is ultimately about. Nevermind that cities won't look so good without power lines, schools, libraries, sewers, etc. etc. etc. - freedom is all that matters!

(Ironically, Nozick directly advocated slavery in Anarchy, State and Utopia. But we shall leave the OP's blatant hypocrisy to the side for now.)

[Frisivisia]

You know what the two top topics I found on NSG were when I took a quick squiz at it?

"Taxation is slavery"; and
"Democracy is slavery", both based on that utter lightweight Nozick's "work" (if I may abuse the term by applying it to Nozick's drivel).

Well, it's a wonderful thing that we have such astute, wise and insightful philosophers as Robert Nozick - the man who hated government but took government funding to both undertake his studies and to further his academic career - to tell us how to look out for our liberties, else we would inevitably be snatched by the government chain-gangs waiting behind every wall and tree, every door and window, for our unsuspecting selves to wander past innocently. Surely, all of humanity would be groaning in chains, held down and forced to labour for the benefits of the battening masses of leeches, were it not for the wisdom of this latter-day Aristotle!

Really, I just wish that libertarianism's adherents would grow up and realise that the Utopia of the rugged, individualistic explorer/settler who can do as (s)he pleases ad bear the consequences themselves (aka the Wild West) (a) is long-gone, and (b) wasn't exactly what any sane person would call "Utopia" in the first place.

Would libertarianism work for a frontier society, or a post-apocalyptic nation struggling for survival? Perhaps (although I doubt it) - but it doesn't work for 21st-century economies, which are based on the extraction, transportation, transformation, re-transportation and consumption of resources.

Satirizing a position that no one has taken doesn't accomplish much.

Also, I'm not even a libertarian, or an-cap. I soley wish to have people accept that democracy is slavery.
My ideal form of governance is absolute dictatorship with a brilliant and benevolent autocrat (inb4 someone claims I just want to be the autocrat)
If we are all enslaved already, we might as well trade our insipid hydraesque master known as the general public for a better one.

BRILLIANT BENEVOLENT AUTOCRATS ARE SLAVERY

[Constaniana]

Seriously? What is it with everything being labeled as slavery all of a sudden?

Quesedillas are slavery. *nods*

[Avenio]

Also, I'm not even a libertarian, or an-cap. I soley wish to have people accept that democracy is slavery.

It most certainly is not. In modern liberal Western democracy, there is no 'master', in that trying to force a master-slave relationship onto the most complicated, multipolar and democratized (in the sense that power is decentralized) system in the history of the world is pointless.

[Diopolis]

Is there any need to be rude? The will of the majority is not equal to the will of the people because those who aren't in the majority are also the people. The system as it is doesn't and can't take them into account. True democracy is the rule of the people, not the rule of some people.

The "will of the people", as you describe it, is impossible to achieve. Let's use an example, shall we? Alice, Bob and Charlie want to paint their car. The car can only be painted one colour. Alice and Bob want to paint it blue, while Charlie wants to paint it red. Alice and Bob, being the "majority", get to paint the car blue. Charlie is upset, but Alice and Bob are happy. Tell me a way in which Alice, Bob and Charlie can be happy about the colour of the car, and I will admit that your system works.

Paint it purple, so it's both.

[United Dependencies]

I Slavery Slavery you Slavery Slavery Slavery of the Slavery.

See spot.

See spot enslave.

See spot enslave Jane with his begging for treats while he lounges about all day while Jane works a real job.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Implying that taxation is slavery and that only democracies can tax? Democracy is a shit ideology, but it ain't slavery.

[Regnum Dominae]

... what the?

Tree is lightbulb. *nod*

[Andryan]

Again with that 'rule of the people' nonsense. Until you can define exactly what it means, 'rule of the people' is just so much noise.

Rule of the people isn't nonsense, it's democracy. If all people aren't represented, then it's not democracy.

The "will of the people", as you describe it, is impossible to achieve. Let's use an example, shall we? Alice, Bob and Charlie want to paint their car. The car can only be painted one colour. Alice and Bob want to paint it blue, while Charlie wants to paint it red. Alice and Bob, being the "majority", get to paint the car blue. Charlie is upset, but Alice and Bob are happy. Tell me a way in which Alice, Bob and Charlie can be happy about the colour of the car, and I will admit that your system works.

I don't say that true democracy is possible. I say that what we have can't be called democracy.

[United Dependencies]

BRILLIANT BENEVOLENT AUTOCRATS ARE SLAVERY

That reminds me of the oldie but goodie:

Mandatory schooling is slavery!

[Frisivisia]

I Slavery Slavery you Slavery Slavery Slavery of the Slavery.

See spot.

See spot enslave.

See spot enslave Jane with his begging for treats while he lounges about all day while Jane works a real job.

Slave Slave.

Slave Slave Slavery.

Slave Slave Slavery Jane Slave Slave Slavery Slave.

[Diopolis]

I hope this guy is kidding.

I shall humor you, then. If democracy is just the slavery of one man to many people, and autocracy is the slavery of many people to one man, then isn't all government essentially slavery? Therefore, the only way to free ourselves from slavery would be anarchy.

Which is exactly what "Libertarianism" is ultimately about. Nevermind that cities won't look so good without power lines, schools, libraries, sewers, etc. etc. etc. - freedom is all that matters!

(Ironically, Nozick directly advocated slavery in Anarchy, State and Utopia. But we shall leave the OP's blatant hypocrisy to the side for now.)

Ninja'd.

[The Rich Port]

You know what the two top topics I found on NSG were when I took a quick squiz at it?

"Taxation is slavery"; and
"Democracy is slavery", both based on that utter lightweight Nozick's "work" (if I may abuse the term by applying it to Nozick's drivel).

Well, it's a wonderful thing that we have such astute, wise and insightful philosophers as Robert Nozick - the man who hated government but took government funding to both undertake his studies and to further his academic career - to tell us how to look out for our liberties, else we would inevitably be snatched by the government chain-gangs waiting behind every wall and tree, every door and window, for our unsuspecting selves to wander past innocently. Surely, all of humanity would be groaning in chains, held down and forced to labour for the benefits of the battening masses of leeches, were it not for the wisdom of this latter-day Aristotle!

Really, I just wish that libertarianism's adherents would grow up and realise that the Utopia of the rugged, individualistic explorer/settler who can do as (s)he pleases ad bear the consequences themselves (aka the Wild West) (a) is long-gone, and (b) wasn't exactly what any sane person would call "Utopia" in the first place.

Would libertarianism work for a frontier society, or a post-apocalyptic nation struggling for survival? Perhaps (although I doubt it) - but it doesn't work for 21st-century economies, which are based on the extraction, transportation, transformation, re-transportation and consumption of resources.

Satirizing a position that no one has taken doesn't accomplish much.

Also, I'm not even a libertarian, or an-cap. I soley wish to have people accept that democracy is slavery.
My ideal form of governance is absolute dictatorship with a brilliant and benevolent autocrat (inb4 someone claims I just want to be the autocrat)
If we are all enslaved already, we might as well trade our insipid hydraesque master known as the general public for a better one.

I was right.

He DOES vote for the I Am Awesome Party every year.

Your argument is a joke and your attempts to dodge explaining it are pathetic..

[Frisivisia]

Implying that taxation is slavery and that only democracies can tax? Democracy is a shit ideology, but it ain't slavery.

Shit ideologies are slavery.

[Gallup]

Yeah... No.

[Constaniana]

Yeah... No.

No is slavery. Yeah is slavery. ... is slavery.

[United Dependencies]

Slave Slave.

Slave Slave Slavery.

Slave Slave Slavery Jane Slave Slave Slavery Slave.

I think we need to get to work on this new language and get all the libertarians speaking it.

[Regnum Dominae]

See spot.

See spot enslave.

See spot enslave Jane with his begging for treats while he lounges about all day while Jane works a real job.

Slave Slave.

Slave Slave Slavery.

Slave Slave Slavery Jane Slave Slave Slavery Slave.

SLAVERY IS SLAVERY
INFO WARS DOT COM

[The Rich Port]

Again with that 'rule of the people' nonsense. Until you can define exactly what it means, 'rule of the people' is just so much noise.

Rule of the people isn't nonsense, it's democracy. If all people aren't represented, then it's not democracy.

The "will of the people", as you describe it, is impossible to achieve. Let's use an example, shall we? Alice, Bob and Charlie want to paint their car. The car can only be painted one colour. Alice and Bob want to paint it blue, while Charlie wants to paint it red. Alice and Bob, being the "majority", get to paint the car blue. Charlie is upset, but Alice and Bob are happy. Tell me a way in which Alice, Bob and Charlie can be happy about the colour of the car, and I will admit that your system works.

I don't say that true democracy is possible. I say that what we have can't be called democracy.

I reiterate: America has NEVER BEEN A FUCKING DEMOCRACY.

America is a fucking CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC.

[Frisivisia]

Yeah... No.

Slavery.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Implying that taxation is slavery and that only democracies can tax? Democracy is a shit ideology, but it ain't slavery.

Shit ideologies are slavery.

Marijuana and same sex marriage are slavery.

[Frisivisia]

Slave Slave.

Slave Slave Slavery.

Slave Slave Slavery Jane Slave Slave Slavery Slave.

SLAVERY IS SLAVERY
INFO WARS DOT COM

SLAVERY IS RISING

[Constaniana]

Slave Slave.

Slave Slave Slavery.

Slave Slave Slavery Jane Slave Slave Slavery Slave.

SLAVERY IS SLAVERY
INFO WARS DOT COM

INFOR WARS IS SLAVERY!

[Diopolis]

Slave Slave.

Slave Slave Slavery.

Slave Slave Slavery Jane Slave Slave Slavery Slave.

I think we need to get to work on this new language and get all the libertarians speaking it.

Slave slave sheeple wake up freedom government NWO. That'll do for a start.