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Postby Neo Art » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:38 pm

United Dependencies wrote:Alright guys, new challenge: name everything that is the same as slavery.

I'll start: my love for ice-cream is slavery.


fundamental particles are slavery.

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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:38 pm

Sondstead wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Alright guys, new challenge: name everything that is the same as slavery.

I'll start: Ice-cream is slavery.


Ahem;

Sondstead wrote:Literally everything and everyone is slavery.


:lol:

Nothing and no one and everyone and everything and some things and some people are slavery.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:38 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Don't give him/her ideas.

Hey if they make up their own language and speak it, it's easier to tune out.

I think you may be one to something.

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Napkiraly wrote:NSG is slavery.

This one's true, though.
Once you enter NSG, your soul is forfeit. *nod*

Grand Britannia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:NSG is slavery.

Max Barry is slavery.

Fun is slavery.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:39 pm

You know what the two top topics I found on NSG were when I took a quick squiz at it?

"Taxation is slavery"; and
"Democracy is slavery", both based on that utter lightweight Nozick's "work" (if I may abuse the term by applying it to Nozick's drivel).

Well, it's a wonderful thing that we have such astute, wise and insightful philosophers as Robert Nozick - the man who hated government but took government funding to both undertake his studies and to further his academic career - to tell us how to look out for our liberties, else we would inevitably be snatched by the government chain-gangs waiting behind every wall and tree, every door and window, for our unsuspecting selves to wander past innocently. Surely, all of humanity would be groaning in chains, held down and forced to labour for the benefits of the battening masses of leeches, were it not for the wisdom of this latter-day Aristotle!

Really, I just wish that libertarianism's adherents would grow up and realise that the Utopia of the rugged, individualistic explorer/settler who can do as (s)he pleases ad bear the consequences themselves (aka the Wild West) (a) is long-gone, and (b) wasn't exactly what any sane person would call "Utopia" in the first place.

Would libertarianism work for a frontier society, or a post-apocalyptic nation struggling for survival? Perhaps (although I doubt it) - but it doesn't work for 21st-century economies, which are based on the extraction, transportation, transformation, re-transportation and consumption of resources.
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Postby Czechanada » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:39 pm

Just fire a nuke at faster than light speed at the Earth to eliminate the individuals who invented democracy all those years ago.
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:40 pm

Andryan wrote:
Avenio wrote:
Intellectual masturbation. Worse, intellectual hipsterist masturbation. You're simultaneously ragging on a system for taking into account the will of 'the people', but at the same time criticizing it for not taking into account the will of 'the people'.


Is there any need to be rude? The will of the majority is not equal to the will of the people because those who aren't in the majority are also the people. The system as it is doesn't and can't take them into account. True democracy is the rule of the people, not the rule of some people.


Cool.

America has never been a true democracy.

America is a constitutional republic.
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Postby Sondstead » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:40 pm

Frisivisia wrote:Nothing and no one and everyone and everything and some things and some people are slavery.


No liburul can convince me that the word "slavery" is not a tool used by our communistic oppressors to enslave us. Thanks, Obama.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:40 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Hey if they make up their own language and speak it, it's easier to tune out.

I think you may be one to something.

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Ifreann wrote:This one's true, though.
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Grand Britannia wrote:Max Barry is slavery.

People is slavery.

Taxation is teapot.

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Postby United Dependencies » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:40 pm

Sondstead wrote:Ahem;

:lol:

Eh, that just takes all the fun out of it.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I think you may be one to something.

To the sanity cave!

Once you enter NSG, your soul is forfeit. *nod*


People is slavery.

Taxation is teapot.

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Postby Albul » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

Verbs = Slavery
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Postby Kromar » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:I'm Slavery.


I'm Spartacus!

But no, seriously, I think someone pretty much answered the question. It stopped being slavery the minute the relationship between "master" and "slave" in no way resembled slavery.

I mean, I know it's a tautology and "it's not slavery because it doesn't actually resemble slavery in any sense" is somewhat an unsatisfying intellectual answer, but sometimes it works. If I hold up an apple and ask "why isn't this a pear?" then "because it's a fucking apple", while not having a certain joie de vivre of intellectually stimulating discourse, is about as good a response as one could reasonably offer.

I would completely understand the arguement that, while it is technically slavery, you don't care because it isn't "bad slavery." You might even believe that democracy is the best posited form of governance, but that doesn't make it not slavery, that just makes you a slaver apologist.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

Albul wrote:Verbs Slavery

Nouning are Slavish
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Postby Avenio » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

Andryan wrote:Is there any need to be rude? The will of the majority is not equal to the will of the people because those who aren't in the majority are also the people.


It is, however, as close an approximation as we possibly can get. Much more so than rule of the minority of people who disagree with the majority, anyway.

Andryan wrote:The system as it is doesn't and can't take them into account. True democracy is the rule of the people, not the rule of some people.


Again with that 'rule of the people' nonsense. Until you can define exactly what it means, 'rule of the people' is just so much noise.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:You know what the two top topics I found on NSG were when I took a quick squiz at it?

"Taxation is slavery"; and
"Democracy is slavery", both based on that utter lightweight Nozick's "work" (if I may abuse the term by applying it to Nozick's drivel).

Well, it's a wonderful thing that we have such astute, wise and insightful philosophers as Robert Nozick - the man who hated government but took government funding to both undertake his studies and to further his academic career - to tell us how to look out for our liberties, else we would inevitably be snatched by the government chain-gangs waiting behind every wall and tree, every door and window, for our unsuspecting selves to wander past innocently. Surely, all of humanity would be groaning in chains, held down and forced to labour for the benefits of the battening masses of leeches, were it not for the wisdom of this latter-day Aristotle!

Really, I just wish that libertarianism's adherents would grow up and realise that the Utopia of the rugged, individualistic explorer/settler who can do as (s)he pleases ad bear the consequences themselves (aka the Wild West) (a) is long-gone, and (b) wasn't exactly what any sane person would call "Utopia" in the first place.

Would libertarianism work for a frontier society, or a post-apocalyptic nation struggling for survival? Perhaps (although I doubt it) - but it doesn't work for 21st-century economies, which are based on the extraction, transportation, transformation, re-transportation and consumption of resources.
Even in the wild west people still had to work together in a lot of cases and in a post apocalyptic world, in order to start restoring society well...you guess it, back to cooperation and some form of governance.

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Postby Sondstead » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:41 pm

Albul wrote:Verbs Slavery


(Noun) is Russian-style Serfdom!
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Fartsniffage wrote:Poor analogy. A better one would be a high school american football team approaching a couple of kids quietly reading/writing during lunch hour, telling them to play with them and then stamping on their books/notepads if they refuse.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:42 pm

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- Free speech
- Weapons rights
- Democracy
- LGBTQ+ rights
- Racial equality
- Gender/sexual equality
- Voting rights
- Universal healthcare
- Workers rights
- Drug decriminalization
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- Racism
- Sexism
- Transphobia
- Homophobia
- Religious extremism
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- Warmongering
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Postby Matta » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:42 pm

Gravity is slavery.
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Postby Ceolciarog » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:42 pm

Napkiraly wrote:NSG is slavery.

Now that one is true.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:42 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I think you may be one to something.

To the sanity cave!

Once you enter NSG, your soul is forfeit. *nod*


People is slavery.

Taxation is teapot.

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Earth is slavery.


Slavery is Earthlings.
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Fartsniffage wrote:Poor analogy. A better one would be a high school american football team approaching a couple of kids quietly reading/writing during lunch hour, telling them to play with them and then stamping on their books/notepads if they refuse.

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Postby Czechanada » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:42 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Earth is slavery.


Eject all people into space and embrace true freedom.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:43 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
New Chalcedon wrote:You know what the two top topics I found on NSG were when I took a quick squiz at it?

"Taxation is slavery"; and
"Democracy is slavery", both based on that utter lightweight Nozick's "work" (if I may abuse the term by applying it to Nozick's drivel).

Well, it's a wonderful thing that we have such astute, wise and insightful philosophers as Robert Nozick - the man who hated government but took government funding to both undertake his studies and to further his academic career - to tell us how to look out for our liberties, else we would inevitably be snatched by the government chain-gangs waiting behind every wall and tree, every door and window, for our unsuspecting selves to wander past innocently. Surely, all of humanity would be groaning in chains, held down and forced to labour for the benefits of the battening masses of leeches, were it not for the wisdom of this latter-day Aristotle!

Really, I just wish that libertarianism's adherents would grow up and realise that the Utopia of the rugged, individualistic explorer/settler who can do as (s)he pleases ad bear the consequences themselves (aka the Wild West) (a) is long-gone, and (b) wasn't exactly what any sane person would call "Utopia" in the first place.

Would libertarianism work for a frontier society, or a post-apocalyptic nation struggling for survival? Perhaps (although I doubt it) - but it doesn't work for 21st-century economies, which are based on the extraction, transportation, transformation, re-transportation and consumption of resources.
Even in the wild west people still had to work together in a lot of cases and in a post apocalyptic world, in order to start restoring society well...you guess it, back to cooperation and some form of governance.


But that's slavery. Government is bad, this I know, because Ayn Rand told me so.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:43 pm

Matta wrote:Gravity is slavery.

I don't think you understand the slavery of the situation.
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