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Postby Grand Britannia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:28 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Grammar is slavery.

NSG is slavery.

Max Barry is slavery.

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Grammar is slavery.

Letters and symbols are slavery.


Quoting is slavery.
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:29 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Letters and symbols are slavery.

Language is slavery!

Why do I have to speak English huh?

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Postby Andryan » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:29 pm

Andryan wrote:Democracy isn't slavery, democracy is freedom. True democracy, that is. Representatives, secret services, draft, taxes... those aren't. Who entitled majorities to dominate everyone? If majorities decided that some people, say blacks, say the long-haired, say homosexuals, are a nuisance to get rid off, they could "vote" and do it. "But there is the constitution, there are laws that forbids them", some can say. Repeal them all says majority and it's done. Tyranny of the majority isn't a deviance of the system, it is the system itself. If democracy is the rule of the people, why is the majority that gets the representation?


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Postby United Dependencies » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:29 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:Language is slavery!

Why do I have to speak English huh?

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Don't give him/her ideas.

Hey if they make up their own language and speak it, it's easier to tune out.
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:30 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Greatest thing I've ever seen.

http://www.realmofdarkness.net/pc/sb/radio/aj/1

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I was just on there. I like to make him say, "Hello, I am Obama."
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Postby Neo Art » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:30 pm

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Shut up Joe.

I'm Slavery.


I'm Spartacus!

But no, seriously, I think someone pretty much answered the question. It stopped being slavery the minute the relationship between "master" and "slave" in no way resembled slavery.

I mean, I know it's a tautology and "it's not slavery because it doesn't actually resemble slavery in any sense" is somewhat an unsatisfying intellectual answer, but sometimes it works. If I hold up an apple and ask "why isn't this a pear?" then "because it's a fucking apple", while not having a certain joie de vivre of intellectually stimulating discourse, is about as good a response as one could reasonably offer.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:30 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Grammar is slavery.

NSG is slavery.

This one's true, though.

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Postby Xsyne » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:30 pm

Fuck, the damn thing is self-refuting.

If the vote is tied, then the slave is freed, and is therefore both in a state of democracy and not a slave.
If the vote is not tied, then the slave explicitly does not receive a vote, and therefore is not in a state of democracy.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:31 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Grammar is slavery.

Letters and symbols are slavery.

Language is slavery.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:31 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:I'm Slavery.


I'm Spartacus!

But no, seriously, I think someone pretty much answered the question. It stopped being slavery the minute the relationship between "master" and "slave" in no way resembled slavery.

I mean, I know it's a tautology and "it's not slavery because it doesn't actually resemble slavery in any sense" is somewhat an unsatisfying intellectual answer, but sometimes it works. If I hold up an apple and ask "why isn't this a pear?" then "because it's a fucking apple", while not having a certain joie de vivre of intellectually stimulating discourse, is about as good a response as one could reasonably offer.

But can you prove that it is a pear and not a misshaped apple that tastes different and has a different texture? Checkmate liberals.
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Postby Neo Art » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:33 pm

Xsyne wrote:Fuck, the damn thing is self-refuting.

If the vote is tied, then the slave is freed, and is therefore both in a state of democracy and not a slave.
If the vote is not tied, then the slave explicitly does not receive a vote, and therefore is not in a state of democracy.


The whole "vote is tied" bit is an intellectually clumsy attempt at arguing that having a right to vote is only a choice in an illusionary sense, as your individual vote can only impact the outcome in your favor if the vote is literally tied.

It's an attempt at countering the argument that democracy isn't slavery because democracy offers choice, by attempting to set up an argument that the choice only exists in a very statistically unlikely scenario, and that taken in the abstract, voting doesn't really offer a "choice" because unless the vote is EXACTLY tied before you vote, then your vote has no impact in the process, and you might as well not have voted or, for practical considerations, not even have had the right to at all.

It's a PROFOUNDLY shitty argument, but there it is.
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Postby Great Empire of Gamilus » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:33 pm

Diopolis wrote:I'm no fan of democracy, and this is the worst argument against it I have ever heard.


agreed. i don't like democracy (especially the american variant) but this argument is just... kinda sad.
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Postby Avenio » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:33 pm

Andryan wrote:Democracy isn't slavery, democracy is freedom. True democracy, that is. Representatives, secret services, draft, taxes... those aren't. Who entitled majorities to dominate everyone? If majorities decided that some people, say blacks, say the long-haired, say homosexuals, are a nuisance to get rid off, they could "vote" and do it. "But there is the constitution, there are laws that forbids them", some can say. Repeal them all says majority and it's done. Tyranny of the majority isn't a deviance of the system, it is the system itself. If democracy is the rule of the people, why is the majority that gets the representation?


Intellectual masturbation. Worse, intellectual hipsterist masturbation. You're simultaneously ragging on a system for taking into account the will of 'the people', but at the same time criticizing it for not taking into account the will of 'the people'.

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Postby United Dependencies » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:34 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Letters and symbols are slavery.

Language is slavery.


already got there

United Dependencies wrote:Language is slavery!

Why do I have to speak English huh?

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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Neo Art » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:34 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
I'm Spartacus!

But no, seriously, I think someone pretty much answered the question. It stopped being slavery the minute the relationship between "master" and "slave" in no way resembled slavery.

I mean, I know it's a tautology and "it's not slavery because it doesn't actually resemble slavery in any sense" is somewhat an unsatisfying intellectual answer, but sometimes it works. If I hold up an apple and ask "why isn't this a pear?" then "because it's a fucking apple", while not having a certain joie de vivre of intellectually stimulating discourse, is about as good a response as one could reasonably offer.

But can you prove that it is a pear and not a misshaped apple that tastes different and has a different texture? Checkmate liberals.


Can I prove that it's not, in fact, a pear that looks, feels, tastes and smells absolutely nothing like a pear and absolutely everything like an apple?

You got me Joe. I'm now a republican.

Because, let's be honest, the GOP has never been overly concerned with democracy anyway.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:34 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Language is slavery.


already got there

United Dependencies wrote:Language is slavery!

Why do I have to speak English huh?

jagsijawe b;lkw weroij s;elrkulsiu!

rgfeqwergbjkl is slavery.
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Postby Sondstead » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:36 pm

Phocidaea wrote:I've heard just about every government institution ever called "slavery".


The Canadian Minister of State for Western Economic Diversification (you know who you are, Lynne Yelich, Member of Parliament for the Riding of Blackstrap in south central Saskatchewan, between the towns of Saskatoon, Bladworth, Jansen, and Elbow) is slavery.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:36 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:
already got there


rgfeqwergbjkl is slavery.

capitalizationpunctuationandspacingareslavery
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Wisconsin9 wrote:capitalizationpunctuationandspacingareslavery


Literally everything and everyone is slavery.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:37 pm

Andryan wrote:
Andryan wrote:Democracy isn't slavery, democracy is freedom. True democracy, that is. Representatives, secret services, draft, taxes... those aren't. Who entitled majorities to dominate everyone? If majorities decided that some people, say blacks, say the long-haired, say homosexuals, are a nuisance to get rid off, they could "vote" and do it. "But there is the constitution, there are laws that forbids them", some can say. Repeal them all says majority and it's done. Tyranny of the majority isn't a deviance of the system, it is the system itself. If democracy is the rule of the people, why is the majority that gets the representation?


No one cares what I say, it seems. I want to be heard, and if I'm not right, I want to know why so I can understand and learn.


Historically, the 'majority' tend to serve the interests of everyone better than any form of government that serves a specific minority. Often that's because where governance requires a majority it also requires different minority groups compromising to form a majority together, whether those groups are formed of race, religion, class, sex or whatever.

You view 'the majority' as a single body unified in their desire to make you do your homework.
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Postby United Dependencies » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:37 pm

Alright guys, new challenge: name everything that is the same as slavery.

I'll start: my love for ice-cream is slavery.
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Postby Frisivisia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:37 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:rgfeqwergbjkl is slavery.

capitalizationpunctuationandspacingareslavery

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Wisconsin9 wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:rgfeqwergbjkl is slavery.

capitalizationpunctuationandspacingareslavery

vwls r slvr
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United Dependencies wrote:Alright guys, new challenge: name everything that is the same as slavery.

I'll start: Ice-cream is slavery.


Ahem;

Sondstead wrote:Literally everything and everyone is slavery.


:lol:
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Postby Andryan » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:37 pm

Avenio wrote:
Andryan wrote:Democracy isn't slavery, democracy is freedom. True democracy, that is. Representatives, secret services, draft, taxes... those aren't. Who entitled majorities to dominate everyone? If majorities decided that some people, say blacks, say the long-haired, say homosexuals, are a nuisance to get rid off, they could "vote" and do it. "But there is the constitution, there are laws that forbids them", some can say. Repeal them all says majority and it's done. Tyranny of the majority isn't a deviance of the system, it is the system itself. If democracy is the rule of the people, why is the majority that gets the representation?


Intellectual masturbation. Worse, intellectual hipsterist masturbation. You're simultaneously ragging on a system for taking into account the will of 'the people', but at the same time criticizing it for not taking into account the will of 'the people'.


Is there any need to be rude? The will of the majority is not equal to the will of the people because those who aren't in the majority are also the people. The system as it is doesn't and can't take them into account. True democracy is the rule of the people, not the rule of some people.
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