How should the United States handle illegal immigration?

[Ermiopa]

8th Amendment. Dropping people in the ocean for being in the US illegally is cruel and unusual punishment.

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But you're advocating breaking the highest law of the US and committing mass murder. Why should you be allowed to stay in the US when you so clearly have no respect for its laws?

Our laws criminal laws don't apply to foreign intruders, those are rights afforded to citizens.

Considering that a mass murder of illegal immigrants is still genocide, citizen or not, it really doesn't matter. If you were to go with that plan, I can bet you will get denounced by UN nations more times than you can count.

[Ermiopa]

Open borders sounded like a really good idea, WHEN WE HAD JOBS

And actually, the lack of jobs is doing wonders to decrease undocumented immigration.

Yeah, aren't there actually more immigrants going back to Mexico than coming in? I might be wrong but I heard that awhile ago, it might have been just for that month.

[Enadail]

And actually, the lack of jobs is doing wonders to decrease undocumented immigration.

Yeah, aren't there actually more immigrants going back to Mexico than coming in? I might be wrong but I heard that awhile ago, it might have been just for that month.

No, we had about 2 years of immigrants going back, and are now are an even level or perhaps nominal increase. Its one of the reasons I focused in on punishing those who hire undocumented workers under the table in my post on the last page.

[Zweite Alaje]

Our laws criminal laws don't apply to foreign intruders, those are rights afforded to citizens.

14th Amendment, the rights in the Constitution are afforded to all people within the jurisdiction of the US.

And I trust you realise that if criminal law did not apply to "foreign intruders", then they could not possibly commit crimes. It's impossible to break a law that doesn't apply to you.

Not quite, they aren't citizens meaning they are treated as foreign agents, it is a national security issue, not a simple criminal one. The US has the right to remove illegals from its territory for any reason.

[Enadail]

14th Amendment, the rights in the Constitution are afforded to all people within the jurisdiction of the US.

And I trust you realise that if criminal law did not apply to "foreign intruders", then they could not possibly commit crimes. It's impossible to break a law that doesn't apply to you.

Not quite, they aren't citizens meaning they are treated as foreign agents, it is a national security issue, not a simple criminal one. The US has the right to remove illegals from its territory for any reason.

Uh... where in the law is there anything about "foreign agents don't have rights"? Even foreign combatants have rights under the law. Can you prove every undocumented immigrant is a threat to national security?

[Zweite Alaje]

Our laws criminal laws don't apply to foreign intruders, those are rights afforded to citizens.

Considering that a mass murder of illegal immigrants is still genocide, citizen or not, it really doesn't matter. If you were to go with that plan, I can bet you will get denounced by UN nations more times than you can count.

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Considering that a mass murder of illegal immigrants is still genocide, citizen or not, it really doesn't matter. If you were to go with that plan, I can bet you will get denounced by UN nations more times than you can count.

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

So you want America to become a global pariah state?

[Ifreann]

14th Amendment, the rights in the Constitution are afforded to all people within the jurisdiction of the US.

And I trust you realise that if criminal law did not apply to "foreign intruders", then they could not possibly commit crimes. It's impossible to break a law that doesn't apply to you.

Not quite, they aren't citizens meaning they are treated as foreign agents,

1)No they aren't
2)Foreign agents still have their rights under the 14th.

it is a national security issue, not a simple criminal one.

It's neither.

The US has the right to remove illegals from its territory for any reason.

No, it doesn't. It has the power to remove people from the country who are not allowed in the country, in accordance with the Constitution, federal law made in pursuance thereof, treaties to which the US is party, and federal law around deportation proceedings.

[Great Nepal]

Turn all the states touching Mexico, Canada or sea into radioactive wasteland, no one can cross illegally into America!
What could go wrong?

[Enadail]

Considering that a mass murder of illegal immigrants is still genocide, citizen or not, it really doesn't matter. If you were to go with that plan, I can bet you will get denounced by UN nations more times than you can count.

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

Actually, a lot can happen. A lot of the US's international power is based on prestige and influence at the moment. The UN itself couldn't do much of anything, nor would it, other then perhaps sanctions, but it would place the US in much the same light as Sudan, a country that would receive far less aid or international good will, our requests for assistance would likely go unheeded, etc. In essence, the end of US leadership around the world.

[Ifreann]

Considering that a mass murder of illegal immigrants is still genocide, citizen or not, it really doesn't matter. If you were to go with that plan, I can bet you will get denounced by UN nations more times than you can count.

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

You really think the US could murder 11 million people and get away with it?

[Ifreann]

Turn all the states touching Mexico, Canada or sea into radioactive wasteland, no one can cross illegally into America!
What could go wrong?

The immigrants could mutate into Deathclaws or Yao Guai.

[Great Nepal]

Turn all the states touching Mexico, Canada or sea into radioactive wasteland, no one can cross illegally into America!
What could go wrong?

The immigrants could mutate into Deathclaws or Yao Guai.

Then USA should belong to them for sake of awesomeness.

[Farnhamia]

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

You really think the US could murder 11 million people and get away with it?

The bigger question is, why are we indulging ZA in his blood-thirsty little wank-fantasies?

[Enadail]

You really think the US could murder 11 million people and get away with it?

The bigger question is, why are we indulging ZA in his blood-thirsty little wank-fantasies?

I again find it interesting that those wishing to enforce US law and systems have so little understanding of US law and systems.

[Great Nepal]

You really think the US could murder 11 million people and get away with it?

The bigger question is, why are we indulging ZA in his blood-thirsty little wank-fantasies?

Because this is NSG.

[Ermiopa]

Considering that a mass murder of illegal immigrants is still genocide, citizen or not, it really doesn't matter. If you were to go with that plan, I can bet you will get denounced by UN nations more times than you can count.

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

It could start WW3

Except there would be no-one on America's side, it would just be the world against America and possibly Canada.

[Zweite Alaje]

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

So you want America to become a global pariah state?

If we have to.

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

Actually, a lot can happen. A lot of the US's international power is based on prestige and influence at the moment. The UN itself couldn't do much of anything, nor would it, other then perhaps sanctions, but it would place the US in much the same light as Sudan, a country that would receive far less aid or international good will, our requests for assistance would likely go unheeded, etc. In essence, the end of US leadership around the world.

Hardly.

The world needs us every bit as much as we need them. Enforcing sanctions would be economically disastrous for everyone, it would be unrealistic for them to try that.

[Nazis in Space]

:rofl:

UN? What the hell are they gonna do to? The UN can't even control Iran or North Korea, you really think they can do anything to us if we actually decided to axe all the illegals?

You really think the US could murder 11 million people and get away with it?

They do manage singledigits on a regular basis, so I'd actually be inclined to agree that yes, the US can get away with it.

[Ifreann]

You really think the US could murder 11 million people and get away with it?

The bigger question is, why are we indulging ZA in his blood-thirsty little wank-fantasies?

Personally I'm setting him up to say things contrary to the principle of the rule of law so I can use them against him in a court of law in other threads.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

So you want America to become a global pariah state?

If we have to.

Why do you hate America so much?

[Enadail]

Hardly.

The world needs us every bit as much as we need them. Enforcing sanctions would be economically disastrous for everyone, it would be unrealistic for them to try that.

Actually, what the world needs from us these days is really only basic goods like food. Otherwise, anything else we export also comes from other places. The US on the other hand now imports A LOT of things. Lets say countries agree to raise tariffs on luxury goods going to the US to 50%? How long will the US economy survive? Not long. On the other hand, most of Europe won't really care.

Its pretty egotistic and out of touch to think the world needs the US that much.

[Ifreann]

So you want America to become a global pariah state?

If we have to.

Actually, a lot can happen. A lot of the US's international power is based on prestige and influence at the moment. The UN itself couldn't do much of anything, nor would it, other then perhaps sanctions, but it would place the US in much the same light as Sudan, a country that would receive far less aid or international good will, our requests for assistance would likely go unheeded, etc. In essence, the end of US leadership around the world.

Hardly.

The world needs us every bit as much as we need them. Enforcing sanctions would be economically disastrous for everyone, it would be unrealistic for them to try that.

The US is 0.3 billion people. The rest of the World is 6.7 billion people. The world economy could get by without the US. The US economy would have a much harder time of it.

[Salentopia]

Some people say that illegal immigrants only take that jobs that Americans don't want to do. That is pure bullshit. Americans would work those jobs if they were at least paid minimum wage and given at least the minimal benefits that the state and federal laws say. The greedy corporations just chose to hire the illegals because they are willing to work for 2 to 3 dollars an hour with zero benefits. Whenever ICE raided a business where I live there was always a bunch of American citizens and legal immigrants that were waiting to take those jobs that just opened up.

[Zweite Alaje]

If we have to.

Why do you hate America so much?

I don't.

The bigger question is, why are we indulging ZA in his blood-thirsty little wank-fantasies?

Personally I'm setting him up to say things contrary to the principle of the rule of law so I can use them against him in a court of law in other threads.

Not gonna happen.

If we have to.


Hardly.

The world needs us every bit as much as we need them. Enforcing sanctions would be economically disastrous for everyone, it would be unrealistic for them to try that.

The US is 0.3 billion people. The rest of the World is 6.7 billion people. The world economy could get by without the US. The US economy would have a much harder time of it.

Yes, 6.7 billion people living in shithole countries for the most part. Europe only accounts for about 500 million of that.