How should the United States handle illegal immigration?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's not like the old days, when you had to go around Cape Horn, I mean, the Panama Canal shortens the swim tremendously.

I don't really think we should be letting these illegals use the canal US taxpayers built. Wall off the Panama canal.

Actually, the Panama Canal was handed over to Panama since about 2000.

[Czechanada]

It's not like the old days, when you had to go around Cape Horn, I mean, the Panama Canal shortens the swim tremendously.

I don't really think we should be letting these illegals use the canal US taxpayers built. Wall off the Panama canal.

We Canadians wouldn't be adverse to letting them swim through the Northwest Territories.

[Ifreann]

I don't really think we should be letting these illegals use the canal US taxpayers built. Wall off the Panama canal.

Actually, the Panama Canal was handed over to Panama since about 2000.

Treachery! Impeach Obama!

[Czechanada]

Actually, the Panama Canal was handed over to Panama since about 2000.

Treachery! Impeach Obama!

Actually, it was one of the things we couldn't tell Mrs. Clinton.

[Zweite Alaje]

The illegals don't honor us, we should respond in kind.

What does "they don't honor us" even mean?

What do you want? Sacrifices from each immigrant? Giving up their firstborn to the Sun God Uncle Sam?

The "international community" can go fuck itself, our nation isn't an international playground.

It's like listening to all the neo-cons in Bush's government.

They don't follow our laws, their very being here is illegal.

[Ifreann]

What does "they don't honor us" even mean?

What do you want? Sacrifices from each immigrant? Giving up their firstborn to the Sun God Uncle Sam?



It's like listening to all the neo-cons in Bush's government.

They don't follow our laws, their very being here is illegal.

And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They don't follow our laws, their very being here is illegal.

Also jaywalking, speeding, and a bunch of other shit people do is illegal, so what's the issue?

[Czechanada]

They don't follow our laws, their very being here is illegal.

And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

Are you suggesting that we pit illegal immigrants against those who advocate capital punishment for illegal immigrants in a gladiator match?

[Ifreann]

And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

Are you suggesting that we pit illegal immigrants against those who advocate capital punishment for illegal immigrants in a gladiator match?

I wasn't, but now that you mention it...

[Zweite Alaje]

They don't follow our laws, their very being here is illegal.

And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

There is nothing illegal about eliminating intruders.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

There is nothing illegal about eliminating intruders.

There is a bit of a moral and international issue dumping people in the ocean or killing for something that's, well, irrelevant.

[Zweite Alaje]

They don't follow our laws, their very being here is illegal.

And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

I'm not leaving, you see, I was born here. I am the descendant of a legal immigrant.

[Enadail]

So what I've gathered from this thread is that:

a) Some people think the US immigration system is fine as is... clearly people who don't know and have never been through the system. Its fucking complicated, prone to continual error, needless waiting, etc. The visa caps only make sense if you're a xenophobe who has to look like you aren't, and the system is massively outdated. Its ironic that some of the same posters were complaining about the 14th amendment, yet think the immigration system is up to date.

b) I love how so many people assume to be an undocumented immigrant, you had to jump the border, as if there's no way the US government could screw over immigrants and make them undocumented.

c) I also love how when it comes to undocumented immigrants, laws suddenly don't matter.

Anyway, I'm based, being undocumented, but I think the fairest system is:

Grant those currently in the US without documentation visas contingent on a number of factors: pay all back taxes, a minimum fine per year in the US that eases based on taxes paid, automatic expulsion based on certain crimes (any criminal record makes no sense), and a decade wait before you can apply for citizenship.

Crack down on companies who hire undocumented workers under the table, so that a) if they are undocumented, they are being paid a fair wage and are taxed appropriately and so documented folk can compete fairly, and b) so they can be tracked appropriately. The US government didn't notice my family was undocumented for over a decade even though its the reason why we became undocumented. Obviously the system of tracking sucks and needs to work for any real reform to take place. And given the downturn of the US economy has shown to be the best deterrent against undocumented immigration, cracking down on companies is easily the best way to stop undocumented immigration. Charge companies massive fines PER undocumented immigrant on hire, based on annual revenue, as well as a solid fee. Make them really regret having hired.

Loosen up the currently immigration system. Increase the quotas on guest worker programs, increase the quotas on the countries that are giving us high end workers like China and India, or remove the per country quota entirely and move to a skill based system like many other countries do, eg, a set of qualifiers that the country needs, the more qualifiers you match, the higher your odds and ease into getting into the US.

[Starkiller101]

just allow them to stay but only if they work

[Ifreann]

And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

There is nothing illegal about eliminating intruders.

8th Amendment. Dropping people in the ocean for being in the US illegally is cruel and unusual punishment.

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And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

I'm not leaving, you see, was born here. I am the descendant of a legal immigrant.

But you're advocating breaking the highest law of the US and committing mass murder. Why should you be allowed to stay in the US when you so clearly have no respect for its laws?

[Aryavartha]

issue work permits for 3 yrs with possible extension after evaluation

remove criminals by identifying from this process

once the law-abiding ones are in the system, have a program for green card and from there to citizenship.

trick is to make it enticing enough for all, but not make it so easy that it contrasts too much against other visa to GC programs - like H1 etc.

There are highly qualified people who came through H1 and are model immigrants who are waiting 10 plus years to get a green card. you can't just give it away to those who came in illegally.

[Czechanada]

just allow them to stay but only if they work

Someone has to maintain the NS servers.

[Zweite Alaje]

There is nothing illegal about eliminating intruders.

8th Amendment. Dropping people in the ocean for being in the US illegally is cruel and unusual punishment.

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I'm not leaving, you see, was born here. I am the descendant of a legal immigrant.

But you're advocating breaking the highest law of the US and committing mass murder. Why should you be allowed to stay in the US when you so clearly have no respect for its laws?

Our laws criminal laws don't apply to foreign intruders, those are rights afforded to citizens.

[Ifreann]

just allow them to stay but only if they work

Someone has to maintain the NS servers.

Migrant workers in the US maintain the NS servers in Canada? Seems legit.

[Ermiopa]

Open borders sounded like a really good idea, WHEN WE HAD JOBS

[Farnhamia]

8th Amendment. Dropping people in the ocean for being in the US illegally is cruel and unusual punishment.

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But you're advocating breaking the highest law of the US and committing mass murder. Why should you be allowed to stay in the US when you so clearly have no respect for its laws?

Our laws criminal laws don't apply to foreign intruders, those are rights afforded to citizens.

Constitutional protections apply to everyone in the jurisdiction of the United States.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

And you want to illegally execute them all. When will you be leaving?

There is nothing illegal about eliminating intruders.

Well, no, you see, states conducting mass executions of civilians is illegal, actually.

[Enadail]

8th Amendment. Dropping people in the ocean for being in the US illegally is cruel and unusual punishment.

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But you're advocating breaking the highest law of the US and committing mass murder. Why should you be allowed to stay in the US when you so clearly have no respect for its laws?

Our laws criminal laws don't apply to foreign intruders, those are rights afforded to citizens.

Actually, rights are granted to everyone in the US, citizen and non-citizen alike. See? You barely even know the US laws, how can you pass judgement on them?

[Enadail]

Open borders sounded like a really good idea, WHEN WE HAD JOBS

And actually, the lack of jobs is doing wonders to decrease undocumented immigration.

[Ifreann]

8th Amendment. Dropping people in the ocean for being in the US illegally is cruel and unusual punishment.

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But you're advocating breaking the highest law of the US and committing mass murder. Why should you be allowed to stay in the US when you so clearly have no respect for its laws?

Our laws criminal laws don't apply to foreign intruders, those are rights afforded to citizens.

14th Amendment, the rights in the Constitution are afforded to all people within the jurisdiction of the US.

And I trust you realise that if criminal law did not apply to "foreign intruders", then they could not possibly commit crimes. It's impossible to break a law that doesn't apply to you.