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How should the United States handle illegal immigration?

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How should the U.S. handle illegal immigration? (Choose the option that matches your view best)

Deport all illegal immigrants (they came illegally) and increase the size of the border patrol.
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Deport all illegal immigrants with criminal records. Grant amnesty to the rest, but increase the size of the border patrol to ensure that illegal immigration doesn't become such a large problem again.
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Amnesty to all. OPEN BORDERS!
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Total votes : 178

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:24 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Clearly this is a policy we should be trying to emulate.

By the middle of the century, though, there was some bias against the Irish.

And it was all downhill from there.


Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:I feel they should follow it anyway, but the path to citizenship is in dire need of reform, no longer emulating 100 year old nativistic ideals.

Our citizenship process is fine as it is, foreigners simply need to respect it. They should all be hunted down and thrown into the ocean.

>Rule of law is awesome guise!
>The government should murder 11 million people guise!
Dude. Seriously.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:28 am

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Eliminate all border controls and immigration restrictions altogether.

The people who violate those restrictions aren't the ones doing anything wrong--the people who advocate for, make, and enforce them are. Borders are a human rights violation.


Sorry, I don't fancy foreign noncitizens sucking up my people's resources and having tens upon tens of anchor babies at my nations expense. The illegals are violating the laws of our land and are intruders and invaders.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:28 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:Our citizenship process is fine as it is, foreigners simply need to respect it. They should all be hunted down and thrown into the ocean.


Except for the fact that, you know, we would seem the most barbaric assholes in the face of the planet.

Seriously dude, do you even care about the US regaining any honor as a country? I mean, as it is the international community consider us retarded.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:30 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Eliminate all border controls and immigration restrictions altogether.

The people who violate those restrictions aren't the ones doing anything wrong--the people who advocate for, make, and enforce them are. Borders are a human rights violation.


Sorry, I don't fancy foreign noncitizens sucking up my people's resources and having tens upon tens of anchor babies at my nations expense. The illegals are violating the laws of our land and are intruders and invaders.

And the solution is to violate the highest law of your land and execute people for something that isn't even a crime.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:31 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Eliminate all border controls and immigration restrictions altogether.

The people who violate those restrictions aren't the ones doing anything wrong--the people who advocate for, make, and enforce them are. Borders are a human rights violation.


Sorry, I don't fancy foreign noncitizens sucking up my people's resources and having tens upon tens of anchor babies at my nations expense.


Do you have examples of this being widespread, or is it just the type of baseless horseshit usually pulled out to justify xenophobic nationalism?

The illegals are violating the laws of our land and are intruders and invaders.


They're not invaders. Unless you'd like to show me their plans for the conquest of the United States.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Sorry, I don't fancy foreign noncitizens sucking up my people's resources and having tens upon tens of anchor babies at my nations expense. The illegals are violating the laws of our land and are intruders and invaders.

And the solution is to violate the highest law of your land and execute people for something that isn't even a crime.

Well, it's not really an execution, I mean, if they can swim ...
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Postby Kelmet » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:32 am

Where is the annex Mexico option?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:35 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Eliminate all border controls and immigration restrictions altogether.

The people who violate those restrictions aren't the ones doing anything wrong--the people who advocate for, make, and enforce them are. Borders are a human rights violation.


Sorry, I don't fancy foreign noncitizens sucking up my people's resources and having tens upon tens of anchor babies at my nations expense. The illegals are violating the laws of our land and are intruders and invaders.


Umm 2 things

1 - Sucking up your resources? And since when have not people in welfare also sucking up YOUR people's resources (whatever the hell that means).

2 - Granted, they are violating the law, but intruders and invaders? Please recap to me how is Latin America going to invade and conquer the US?
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:37 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Our citizenship process is fine as it is, foreigners simply need to respect it. They should all be hunted down and thrown into the ocean.


Except for the fact that, you know, we would seem the most barbaric assholes in the face of the planet.

Seriously dude, do you even care about the US regaining any honor as a country? I mean, as it is the international community consider us retarded.

The illegals don't honor us, we should respond in kind. The "international community" can go fuck itself, our nation isn't an international playground.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:38 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Sorry, I don't fancy foreign noncitizens sucking up my people's resources and having tens upon tens of anchor babies at my nations expense. The illegals are violating the laws of our land and are intruders and invaders.


Umm 2 things

1 - Sucking up your resources? And since when have not people in welfare also sucking up YOUR people's resources (whatever the hell that means).

2 - Granted, they are violating the law, but intruders and invaders? Please recap to me how is Latin America going to invade and conquer the US?


2 - The Latino Conspiracy against the USA.

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Postby Czechanada » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:38 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And the solution is to violate the highest law of your land and execute people for something that isn't even a crime.

Well, it's not really an execution, I mean, if they can swim ...


It's not far to Cuba, anyways.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:39 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Except for the fact that, you know, we would seem the most barbaric assholes in the face of the planet.

Seriously dude, do you even care about the US regaining any honor as a country? I mean, as it is the international community consider us retarded.

The illegals don't honor us, we should respond in kind. The "international community" can go fuck itself, our nation isn't an international playground.

Oh sure, you say that now :D wait until the mongol flood comes and get us out of our land for being a bunch of morons.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:40 am

Luveria wrote:2 - The Latino Conspiracy against the USA.


I am Latino and we sure as hell are not planning anything :meh:

Unless you need to explain how also Canada has a Latin American population, this is merely a poor point :lol:
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:41 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And the solution is to violate the highest law of your land and execute people for something that isn't even a crime.

Well, it's not really an execution, I mean, if they can swim ...

Technically it's the sea that kills them. Or its inhabitants.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:41 am

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Luveria wrote:2 - The Latino Conspiracy against the USA.


I am Latino and we sure as hell are not planning anything :meh:

Unless you need to explain how also Canada has a Latin American population, this is merely a poor point :lol:

I would expect you to say that and who conspires against Canada?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Well, it's not really an execution, I mean, if they can swim ...

Technically it's the sea that kills them. Or its inhabitants.

Exactly and all of them have the same chance of surviving, sort of.
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Well, it's not really an execution, I mean, if they can swim ...

Technically it's the sea that kills them. Or its inhabitants.


Plankton could use some more chum for his restaraunt. ;)
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:43 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Except for the fact that, you know, we would seem the most barbaric assholes in the face of the planet.

Seriously dude, do you even care about the US regaining any honor as a country? I mean, as it is the international community consider us retarded.

The illegals don't honor us, we should respond in kind.


What does "they don't honor us" even mean?

What do you want? Sacrifices from each immigrant? Giving up their firstborn to the Sun God Uncle Sam?

The "international community" can go fuck itself, our nation isn't an international playground.


It's like listening to all the neo-cons in Bush's government.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:43 am

Czechanada wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Well, it's not really an execution, I mean, if they can swim ...


It's not far to Cuba, anyways.

From the Pacific? I suppose on an astronomical scale they're essentially the same place.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:44 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I am Latino and we sure as hell are not planning anything :meh:

Unless you need to explain how also Canada has a Latin American population, this is merely a poor point :lol:

I would expect you to say that and who conspires against Canada?


:rofl:

Well, the more proper question is: who really cares about Canada? I mean, they don't do anything for us to be concerned about, and they are not big talkers like the US is.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:44 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Technically it's the sea that kills them. Or its inhabitants.

Exactly and all of them have the same chance of surviving, sort of.

Equality of opportunity. *nods*

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
It's not far to Cuba, anyways.

From the Pacific? I suppose on an astronomical scale they're essentially the same place.

It's not like the old days, when you had to go around Cape Horn, I mean, the Panama Canal shortens the swim tremendously.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:45 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:From the Pacific? I suppose on an astronomical scale they're essentially the same place.

It's not like the old days, when you had to go around Cape Horn, I mean, the Panama Canal shortens the swim tremendously.

I don't really think we should be letting these illegals use the canal US taxpayers built. Wall off the Panama canal.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:46 am

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:It's not like the old days, when you had to go around Cape Horn, I mean, the Panama Canal shortens the swim tremendously.

I don't really think we should be letting these illegals use the canal US taxpayers built. Wall off the Panama canal.

I read that the Nicaraguans are considering building one of their own.
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My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:47 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't really think we should be letting these illegals use the canal US taxpayers built. Wall off the Panama canal.

I read that the Nicaraguans are considering building one of their own.

Time to concoct reports of WMDs in Nicaragua.

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