Ad hominems and NSG

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I get that feeling too alot of the time.

the fuck?

BUT YOURE A LEFTIST???

Alaje's a Leftist?! What?! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Abatael called me a mongrel because I'm not fully white.

I think that's the worst I've been called on NS.

are you sure it wasn't "mongol?"

I'm sure it was "mongrel." Abatael, according to TGs I have received from him, is a ethnic nationalist, ultra-Catholic, Fascist.

[Luveria]

the fuck?

BUT YOURE A LEFTIST???

Alaje's a Leftist?! What?! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

You didn't know?

[Forsher]

Well generally I am criticising feminism, of whatever NSG is calling feminism (okay, it gets a bit confused because I try to be critical of feminism as NSG's mainstream feminists see it... everyone is critical of the frequent misrepresentations and fringe extremists, usually -- see the burn the MRAs episode).

People who criticise feminism are often just blindly labelled MRAs (and the intent always seems to be insulting, they're not actually that popular with the people I tend to agree with either) and it has, quite notably and sadly not infamously, been suggested that MRAs are all burnt to be got rid of.

That's quite possibly why out of what amounts to the main three "NSG feminists" TSM is the only female one. I'd put NTTP up but she's a recent and less frequent addition to the threads.

I'm avoiding calling people MRAs who disagree with me. I personally think we should discuss these topics, not shut down conversation, and I've said as much when said person called for "death to the MRAs!!!".

The MRA movement is mostly overshadowed by the anti-feminists, which is sad, because there are pro-feminist MRA groups too.

Definitely. There are so many posts that read as, "I can't handle dissenting opinions, ban 'em all" these days that it's ridiculous.

With regards to that last bit... I know much less about the MRM and MRAs than I do about feminism but they are more organisational things than feminism which is much more a cultural force. I am not sure how clear that is but it makes sense to me.

[Vazdania]

the fuck?

BUT YOURE A LEFTIST???

Alaje's a Leftist?! What?! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

The Evidence:
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.46

[Luveria]

Alaje's a Leftist?! What?! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

The Evidence:
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.46

Social fascism democracy.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Alaje's a Leftist?! What?! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

You didn't know?

I've known Alaje since he was a Fascist. I can never keep track of his politics/gender identity/personality/him as a whole anymore, its become so fluid. Last I heard he was an androgynous right-wing socialist, but that might have changed.

[Libertarian California]

Abatael called me a mongrel because I'm not fully white.

I think that's the worst I've been called on NS.

are you sure it wasn't "mongol?"

No. It was mongrel.

[Vazdania]

are you sure it wasn't "mongol?"

I'm sure it was "mongrel." Abatael, according to TGs I have received from him, is a ethnic nationalist, ultra-Catholic, Fascist.

Sounds about right

Abatael is still cool though, even though he is a Catholic.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Alaje's a Leftist?! What?! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

The Evidence:
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.46

His political compass was on the left-libertarian side when he was a Fascist as well. Proving my point he has never truly been a Fascist.

[Vazdania]

You didn't know?

I've known Alaje since he was a Fascist. I can never keep track of his politics/gender identity/personality/him as a whole anymore, its become so fluid. Last I heard he was an androgynous right-wing socialist, but that might have changed.

Right wing socialism!

[2nd Baron of Moyne]

He's a bisexual militant albino fascist who hates homosexuals and non-whites.

"That sounds exhausting." -The Dude

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I'm sure it was "mongrel." Abatael, according to TGs I have received from him, is a ethnic nationalist, ultra-Catholic, Fascist.

Sounds about right

Abatael is still cool though, even though he is a Catholic.

I don't mind him, mainly because his beliefs, if implemented, wouldn't really affect me negatively in any way. Apart from banning tobacco. *shudder*

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I've known Alaje since he was a Fascist. I can never keep track of his politics/gender identity/personality/him as a whole anymore, its become so fluid. Last I heard he was an androgynous right-wing socialist, but that might have changed.

Right wing socialism!

ikr

[Vazdania]

He's a bisexual militant albino fascist who hates homosexuals and non-whites.

"That sounds exhausting." -The Dude

being Vazdania is exhausting, do you know how many liberals/left wingers I deal with on a daily basis???? A LOT

[Vazdania]

Sounds about right

Abatael is still cool though, even though he is a Catholic.

I don't mind him, mainly because his beliefs, if implemented, wouldn't really affect me negatively in any way. Apart from banning tobacco. *shudder*

its only smart to ban tobacco though.

[Luveria]

Sounds about right

Abatael is still cool though, even though he is a Catholic.

I don't mind him, mainly because his beliefs, if implemented, wouldn't really affect me negatively in any way. Apart from banning tobacco. *shudder*

He was openly advocating the death penalty for homosexuals. He also has a love of police brutality.

Right wing socialism!

ikr

How does that work?

[Libertarian California]

Is Abatael some kind of militant albino or something?

He's a bisexual militant albino fascist who hates homosexuals and non-whites.

He's bisexual? Doesn't that make him a bit of a hypocrite?

[Libertarian California]

I don't mind him, mainly because his beliefs, if implemented, wouldn't really affect me negatively in any way. Apart from banning tobacco. *shudder*

He was openly advocating the death penalty for homosexuals. He also has a love of police brutality.

He stopped being my friend because I'm atheist.

[Vazdania]

I don't mind him, mainly because his beliefs, if implemented, wouldn't really affect me negatively in any way. Apart from banning tobacco. *shudder*

He was openly advocating the death penalty for homosexuals. He also has a love of police brutality.

ikr

How does that work?

As per the Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_socialism

[Individuality-ness]

I'm avoiding calling people MRAs who disagree with me. I personally think we should discuss these topics, not shut down conversation, and I've said as much when said person called for "death to the MRAs!!!".

The MRA movement is mostly overshadowed by the anti-feminists, which is sad, because there are pro-feminist MRA groups too.

Definitely. There are so many posts that read as, "I can't handle dissenting opinions, ban 'em all" these days that it's ridiculous.

With regards to that last bit... I know much less about the MRM and MRAs than I do about feminism but they are more organisational things than feminism which is much more a cultural force. I am not sure how clear that is but it makes sense to me.

It's dumb. I want discussion. Just, please be more civil about it and be willing to listen to the other side and we can talk.

I get you actually. I understand it.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

He's a bisexual militant albino fascist who hates homosexuals and non-whites.

He's bisexual? Doesn't that make him a bit of a hypocrite?

Okay, I really didn't know this, and still strongly doubt it.

[Luveria]

He's a bisexual militant albino fascist who hates homosexuals and non-whites.

He's bisexual? Doesn't that make him a bit of a hypocrite?

He claims to be bisexual but I personally believe It's an excuse to hate on gays. Apparently you're okay in his book as long you like females too and are okay with having no marriage rights. While he had a boyfriend he was saying same-sex marriage should be outlawed.

He was openly advocating the death penalty for homosexuals. He also has a love of police brutality.

He stopped being my friend because I'm atheist.

I recall him saying religious schools should be compulsory, so he really doesn't like atheists.

[Katganistan]

This stems from a discussion of misogyny and a Facebook discussion.

Okay. Now for the big question. What is the worst thing that someone has ever called you on NS? What is the worst ad hominem that you've ever received from your opponents in a debate here?

Also, I'd like to know what your gender is.

After answering this question, please see the second spoiler as to why I'm asking you this question.

In my experience it's been feminazi, slut, selfish whore, harlot, bitch, nutjob, closet FtM trans*, man-hater, unemployed warrior feminist... amongst others.

This still wins as the worst ad hominem I've ever gotten though. Long story short: someone took the time to find a really old photograph of me, Photoshopped it to make it look like there was cum on my face, and then used that picture to imply that I was a slut and a harlot, with a side of abduction and rape. Lovely.

The person I was talking to, a former male NSer, gave me this list: naive, foaming-at-the-mouth because I can't handle scientific research over personal anecdotes, blind, unimaginative, mushy fence sitter, elitist fucktard, closet conservative.

Why am I asking you this question?

Basically, I'm curious about the types of ad hominem that one uses on a perceived opponent, and how it relates to gender. I get the feeling that when people perceive me as female, they start attacking my sexuality, my gender identity, and others, while for males, people tend to focus on their perceived character traits.

Example (that isn't me): In a discussion on philosophers (and I'm using this loosely here), Ayn Rand is often attacked on how ugly she is, and how no man ever really wants to fuck her. I know, I've done this in the past myself. In comparison, male philosophers are critiqued as idiotic, naive, or an array of other things that have nothing to do with their looks or sexual desirability.

Not trying to say that it sucks less for guys, but I'm curious to see whether there is a connection to gender and the ad homs used. I get the feeling that it is, but NSG, your thoughts?

Female (but you knew that) and the worst things I have been called have NOT been on the forums -- they've been in my mod e-mail.

I particularly enjoyed the ones from a person half a world away who started out calling me a bitch and then repeatedly sending messages about how he would rape and murder me.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I don't mind him, mainly because his beliefs, if implemented, wouldn't really affect me negatively in any way. Apart from banning tobacco. *shudder*

He was openly advocating the death penalty for homosexuals. He also has a love of police brutality.

That is entirely possible. He actually has wondered if he is a sociopath. I mean, even I think his authoritarianism goes over the top, and... well, I'm Pruss, so that's scary.

ikr

How does that work?

I don't fucking know, I don't think it does. Ask Alaje.