Ad hominems and NSG

[Zweite Alaje]

Worst insult I've been called here? That's a hard one since I get so many. I get "misanthrope" alot.

[The Grey Wolf]

Oswald Mosley's son sure thinks so.

I am fairly certain that Max Mosley was involved in Formula 1. I always knew he had a thing for the paddock girls.

I think it went father than just paddocks.

[Forsher]

This stems from a discussion of misogyny and a Facebook discussion.

Okay. Now for the big question. What is the worst thing that someone has ever called you on NS? What is the worst ad hominem that you've ever received from your opponents in a debate here?

Also, I'd like to know what your gender is.

After answering this question, please see the second spoiler as to why I'm asking you this question.

In my experience it's been feminazi, slut, selfish whore, harlot, bitch, nutjob, closet FtM trans*, man-hater, unemployed warrior feminist... amongst others.

This still wins as the worst ad hominem I've ever gotten though. Long story short: someone took the time to find a really old photograph of me, Photoshopped it to make it look like there was cum on my face, and then used that picture to imply that I was a slut and a harlot, with a side of abduction and rape. Lovely.

The person I was talking to, a former male NSer, gave me this list: naive, foaming-at-the-mouth because I can't handle scientific research over personal anecdotes, blind, unimaginative, mushy fence sitter, elitist fucktard, closet conservative.

Why am I asking you this question?

Basically, I'm curious about the types of ad hominem that one uses on a perceived opponent, and how it relates to gender. I get the feeling that when people perceive me as female, they start attacking my sexuality, my gender identity, and others, while for males, people tend to focus on their perceived character traits.

Example (that isn't me): In a discussion on philosophers (and I'm using this loosely here), Ayn Rand is often attacked on how ugly she is, and how no man ever really wants to fuck her. I know, I've done this in the past myself. In comparison, male philosophers are critiqued as idiotic, naive, or an array of other things that have nothing to do with their looks or sexual desirability.

Not trying to say that it sucks less for guys, but I'm curious to see whether there is a connection to gender and the ad homs used. I get the feeling that it is, but NSG, your thoughts?

For disagreeing with someone I had the pleasure of being accused of being sexually attracted to them as a form of rebuttal. The word creep (and its variants) were bandied about but I am not sure that anyone outright accused me of being so. The remaindee of that thread was about this. and it ended when it was locked... for derailing.

I'm a bloke.

I also wouldn't call it a debate. More people reasserting their unsourced (and unexplained, really it is without a doubt the worst example of a "debate" I have ever had the misfortune to have encountered) assertations at me as I tried to explain why they were wrong.

I am not sure that this helps your point because it was a feminism thread and "debate" is both very low quality and very hostile in all feminism threads on NSG.

[Individuality-ness]

This stems from a discussion of misogyny and a Facebook discussion.

Okay. Now for the big question. What is the worst thing that someone has ever called you on NS? What is the worst ad hominem that you've ever received from your opponents in a debate here?

Also, I'd like to know what your gender is.

After answering this question, please see the second spoiler as to why I'm asking you this question.

In my experience it's been feminazi, slut, selfish whore, harlot, bitch, nutjob, closet FtM trans*, man-hater, unemployed warrior feminist... amongst others.

This still wins as the worst ad hominem I've ever gotten though. Long story short: someone took the time to find a really old photograph of me, Photoshopped it to make it look like there was cum on my face, and then used that picture to imply that I was a slut and a harlot, with a side of abduction and rape. Lovely.

The person I was talking to, a former male NSer, gave me this list: naive, foaming-at-the-mouth because I can't handle scientific research over personal anecdotes, blind, unimaginative, mushy fence sitter, elitist fucktard, closet conservative.

Why am I asking you this question?

Basically, I'm curious about the types of ad hominem that one uses on a perceived opponent, and how it relates to gender. I get the feeling that when people perceive me as female, they start attacking my sexuality, my gender identity, and others, while for males, people tend to focus on their perceived character traits.

Example (that isn't me): In a discussion on philosophers (and I'm using this loosely here), Ayn Rand is often attacked on how ugly she is, and how no man ever really wants to fuck her. I know, I've done this in the past myself. In comparison, male philosophers are critiqued as idiotic, naive, or an array of other things that have nothing to do with their looks or sexual desirability.

Not trying to say that it sucks less for guys, but I'm curious to see whether there is a connection to gender and the ad homs used. I get the feeling that it is, but NSG, your thoughts?

For disagreeing with someone I had the pleasure of being accused of being sexually attracted to them as a form of rebuttal. The word creep (and its variants) were bandied about but I am not sure that anyone outright accused me of being so. The remaindee of that thread was about this. and it ended when it was locked... for derailing.

I'm a bloke.

I also wouldn't call it a debate. More people reasserting their unsourced (and unexplained, really it is without a doubt the worst example of a "debate" I have ever had the misfortune to have encountered) assertations at me as I tried to explain why they were wrong.

I am not sure that this helps your point because it was a feminism thread and "debate" is both very low quality and very hostile in all feminism threads on NSG.

It actually could and/or does. I find that when a male says feminist things, people tend to listen. Or they presume that the guy's faking it to get laid or whatever. One of the two. But if it's a girl? AD HOMS AHOY!

[Choronzon]

Simply insulting someone is not an ad hominem.

Saying 'You're wrong for reasons x, y, and z you fucking moron," is not an ad hominem, its just being a dick. Saying "You're an idiot therefore you're wrong," is an ad hominem.

This is a huge pet peeve of mine.

[The Grey Wolf]

Worst insult I've been called here? That's a hard one since I get so many. I get "misanthrope" alot.

I think the person who called you that was trying too hard.

[Luveria]

I was called a member of the progressive peanut gallery.

That's silly. You're clearly part of the cynic/satire peanut gallery:

I'm not part of any peanut gallery. I don't think I am...but obviously I'm just a progressive so what would I know.

I was called a member of the progressive peanut gallery.

Your personal opinion, while appreciated, lacks EMPEHRICAL EVUDENCE, and is therefore not relevant to the discussion. Now, look at these sources I haven't spent three seconds reading to see if they agree with me, or are even relevant to this discussion at all, showing how TEU GUBBERMIBT EZ BAD, TAXES ARE THEFT!

I cried for hours. I'm still severely depressed from the way he insulted me so deeply. Whips and chains excite me but words hurt me.

[Individuality-ness]

Simply insulting someone is not an ad hominem.

Saying 'You're wrong for reasons x, y, and z you fucking moron," is not an ad hominem, its just being a dick. Saying "You're an idiot therefore you're wrong," is an ad hominem.

This is a huge pet peeve of mine.

Sorry about that. I get a lot of these while they're busy dismissing my point and calling me stupid and a bitch and stuff though.

[Quintium]

What is the worst thing that someone has ever called you on NS? What is the worst ad hominem that you've ever received from your opponents in a debate here?

"Racist". Not because it's hideously offensive, but because it's a way for some people, here and everywhere I go, to close their eyes to everything I say. It's worse than anything else - they attempt, strategically and psychologically instead of logically, to discredit what I'm saying. When I state facts, they say I'm motivated by closet racism. They don't respond to what I'm saying, and they prefer slander and ridicule. That way, they can skip past anything I say and still appear the bigger person to their supporters.

Also, I'd like to know what your gender is.

Male.

Basically, I'm curious about the types of ad hominem that one uses on a perceived opponent, and how it relates to gender. I get the feeling that when people perceive me as female, they start attacking my sexuality, my gender identity, and others, while for males, people tend to focus on their perceived character traits.

Personally, I think this works two ways. For women, there are two sides to it - some will question their sexuality and identity, but others will defend them even if they're wrong. For men, there are also two sides to it - some will be more inclined to take their word for it, but others will attack them much more viciously than they would a woman.

That's a common theme in real life, too; men are sometimes perceived as more trustworthy or capable in a professional setting, but they have absolutely no social protection to fall back on and they're punished more severely for their mistakes.

[Sedikal]

Hmmm I don't know as far as NS goes if never be call much of anything. If been told to fuck off via TG but that was long before I new you could go to moderation on that. In real life those when I was a freshmen I had some guy say something about Genocide (since I'm Serbian) and that was probably the worst thing I've been called to my face even though I can't really remember what he said. But if been call a prick, Douch, Asshole, Fuck up stuff like that but I never really like to me.

[Forsher]

Wat? O_o

Calling people Feminazi sluts is so played out

I was once part of a performance where the first part of a scene was the preganant daughter (except not, she was disowned at the end of this bit) of Lady Something (name has slipped my mind) being shouted at by my character (I was a priest or something) for having a child out of wedlock as a teenager (such great phrases as "trollop" were featured, it was set during "Elizabethan" times). At the end, someone was dragged away to be executed (forgotten who, possibly the accused father... maybe the daughter). The other half of that scene was set in the future where designer babies are possible and doctors are happy to give 12 year olds the baby pill that will allow them to have the child at a given age (14 in this case) even if the client is as superficial as they get (the "boyfriend" was perfectly open about leaving the "mother" soon and one of her lines was "marriage is so last year").

The point was that views of teen pregnancy change over time. It connects because of your comment and the "trollop" line.

The thing as a whole was critically acclaimed. Or, at least, people liked it and we got great marks for it.

For disagreeing with someone I had the pleasure of being accused of being sexually attracted to them as a form of rebuttal. The word creep (and its variants) were bandied about but I am not sure that anyone outright accused me of being so. The remaindee of that thread was about this. and it ended when it was locked... for derailing.

I'm a bloke.

I also wouldn't call it a debate. More people reasserting their unsourced (and unexplained, really it is without a doubt the worst example of a "debate" I have ever had the misfortune to have encountered) assertations at me as I tried to explain why they were wrong.

I am not sure that this helps your point because it was a feminism thread and "debate" is both very low quality and very hostile in all feminism threads on NSG.

It actually could and/or does. I find that when a male says feminist things, people tend to listen. Or they presume that the guy's faking it to get laid or whatever. One of the two. But if it's a girl? AD HOMS AHOY!

Well generally I am criticising feminism, of whatever NSG is calling feminism (okay, it gets a bit confused because I try to be critical of feminism as NSG's mainstream feminists see it... everyone is critical of the frequent misrepresentations and fringe extremists, usually -- see the burn the MRAs episode).

People who criticise feminism are often just blindly labelled MRAs (and the intent always seems to be insulting, they're not actually that popular with the people I tend to agree with either) and it has, quite notably and sadly not infamously, been suggested that MRAs are all burnt to be got rid of.

That's quite possibly why out of what amounts to the main three "NSG feminists" TSM is the only female one. I'd put NTTP up but she's a recent and less frequent addition to the threads.

[Reploid Productions]

I think in the process of doing the whole moderator shtick, I've been called just about every insult and slur possible- usually including accusations of being of an opposing race/gender/ideology/etc from a person who got warned/banned/DEAT'd/DOSed.

Ban a liberal, I'm apparently some inbred redneck racist Bible-thumping conservative fuckwit.
Ban a conservative, I'm a pot-smoking braindead/naive liberal baby-killing treehugging fuckwit.
And so on and so forth.

While I'm female, and in areas of the forums that fact is somewhat common knowledge, my gender isn't exactly something I go trumpeting, so I'm quite frequently mistaken for being male. (Neither of my common online names- Reploid Productions/Firefury Amahira really suggest any particular femininity either.) On occasions where the person hurling the insults is aware of my gender, there have been ample recommendations on what I should be applying oral suction to, and the occasional bitch/slut/whore combination. But usually the insults I get are also directed at the entire moderation squad, and people hurling torrents of abuse through the Getting Help page tend to be all over the place since they don't necessarily know which mod will be reading it.

There's been too many over the years to pin down a single "worst" one, but then I've also long since reached the point that Some Person On The Internet Saying Mean Things is more liable to leave me laughing than particularly stung, so they all just sorta blur together.

[Individuality-ness]

It actually could and/or does. I find that when a male says feminist things, people tend to listen. Or they presume that the guy's faking it to get laid or whatever. One of the two. But if it's a girl? AD HOMS AHOY!

Well generally I am criticising feminism, of whatever NSG is calling feminism (okay, it gets a bit confused because I try to be critical of feminism as NSG's mainstream feminists see it... everyone is critical of the frequent misrepresentations and fringe extremists, usually -- see the burn the MRAs episode).

People who criticise feminism are often just blindly labelled MRAs (and the intent always seems to be insulting, they're not actually that popular with the people I tend to agree with either) and it has, quite notably and sadly not infamously, been suggested that MRAs are all burnt to be got rid of.

That's quite possibly why out of what amounts to the main three "NSG feminists" TSM is the only female one. I'd put NTTP up but she's a recent and less frequent addition to the threads.

I'm avoiding calling people MRAs who disagree with me. I personally think we should discuss these topics, not shut down conversation, and I've said as much when said person called for "death to the MRAs!!!".

The MRA movement is mostly overshadowed by the anti-feminists, which is sad, because there are pro-feminist MRA groups too.

[Olthar]

Ban a liberal, I'm apparently some inbred redneck racist Bible-thumping conservative fuckwit.
Ban a conservative, I'm a pot-smoking braindead/naive liberal baby-killing treehugging fuckwit.

At least the "fuckwit" part is consistent. *nods*

[Bojikami]

Nothing really bad. Though, that person Feminarchy called my a misogynist.

[New haven america]

Misanthropist and immature, that's basically it. :\

Actually, Condunum is the only one to call me those^ *Shrugs*

[Genivaria]

I think in the process of doing the whole moderator shtick, I've been called just about every insult and slur possible- usually including accusations of being of an opposing race/gender/ideology/etc from a person who got warned/banned/DEAT'd/DOSed.

Ban a liberal, I'm apparently some inbred redneck racist Bible-thumping conservative fuckwit.
Ban a conservative, I'm a pot-smoking braindead/naive liberal baby-killing treehugging fuckwit.
And so on and so forth.

While I'm female, and in areas of the forums that fact is somewhat common knowledge, my gender isn't exactly something I go trumpeting, so I'm quite frequently mistaken for being male. (Neither of my common online names- Reploid Productions/Firefury Amahira really suggest any particular femininity either.) On occasions where the person hurling the insults is aware of my gender, there have been ample recommendations on what I should be applying oral suction to, and the occasional bitch/slut/whore combination. But usually the insults I get are also directed at the entire moderation squad, and people hurling torrents of abuse through the Getting Help page tend to be all over the place since they don't necessarily know which mod will be reading it.

There's been too many over the years to pin down a single "worst" one, but then I've also long since reached the point that Some Person On The Internet Saying Mean Things is more liable to leave me laughing than particularly stung, so they all just sorta blur together.

I thought you were trying to spell something out, what's a Spotismt?

[Vazdania]

I don't know, something about everyone hating me...(which may or may not be true)

[Zweite Alaje]

I don't know, something about everyone hating me...(which may or may not be true)

I get that feeling too alot of the time.

[Libertarian California]

Abatael called me a mongrel because I'm not fully white.

I think that's the worst I've been called on NS.

[Vazdania]

I don't know, something about everyone hating me...(which may or may not be true)

I get that feeling too alot of the time.

the fuck?

BUT YOURE A LEFTIST???

[Vazdania]

Abatael called me a mongrel because I'm not fully white.

I think that's the worst I've been called on NS.

are you sure it wasn't "mongol?"

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Meh, I've gotten the usual "fascist pig," of course, accompanied with some accusations of sociopathy and a maniacal desire for power. Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever really gotten completely cussed out by someone.

[2nd Baron of Moyne]

Abatael called me a mongrel because I'm not fully white.

I think that's the worst I've been called on NS.

Is Abatael some kind of militant albino or something?

[Luveria]

Abatael called me a mongrel because I'm not fully white.

I think that's the worst I've been called on NS.

Is Abatael some kind of militant albino or something?

He's a bisexual militant albino fascist who hates homosexuals and non-whites.