What Is The Republican Path To Victory?

[Blasveck]

The Republican Party has a tone and articulative issue, mostly. The vast majority of Americans are center-right but they've let the Democrats control the messaging. Conservatism is not on a death spiral, infact it's stronger than it ever was. The problem is messaging, We need to look no further than Ronald Reagan. If there was someone who could articulate Conservative principles who was willing to negotiate and be moderate, he would probably be elected by a landslide.

I think the reason most people are angry at Washington these days is because they can't get anything done, quite frankly the entire American political system is corrupt and ineffective. The American government, in my humble opinion, is a shame to all Americans.

That is, quite frankly, the most factually incorrect statement on the issues the GOP faces today that I've seen.....all week.

To put it simply, Messaging is not the issue when your policies are still shit.

Ronald Reagan was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the GOP needs to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that they aren't getting another one or one similar to him.

[Uieurnthlaal]

The Republican Party has a tone and articulative issue, mostly. The vast majority of Americans are center-right but they've let the Democrats control the messaging. Conservatism is not on a death spiral, infact it's stronger than it ever was. The problem is messaging, We need to look no further than Ronald Reagan. If there was someone who could articulate Conservative principles who was willing to negotiate and be moderate, he would probably be elected by a landslide.

I think the reason most people are angry at Washington these days is because they can't get anything done, quite frankly the entire American political system is corrupt and ineffective. The American government, in my humble opinion, is a shame to all Americans.

That is, quite frankly, the most factually incorrect statement on the issues the GOP faces today that I've seen.....all week.

To put it simply, Messaging is not the issue when your policies are still shit.

Ronald Reagan was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the GOP needs to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that they aren't getting another one or one similar to him.

That person exists. He's called Obama. Too bad he's a democrat.

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

The Republican Party has a tone and articulative issue, mostly. The vast majority of Americans are center-right but they've let the Democrats control the messaging. Conservatism is not on a death spiral, infact it's stronger than it ever was. The problem is messaging, We need to look no further than Ronald Reagan. If there was someone who could articulate Conservative principles who was willing to negotiate and be moderate, he would probably be elected by a landslide.

I think the reason most people are angry at Washington these days is because they can't get anything done, quite frankly the entire American political system is corrupt and ineffective. The American government, in my humble opinion, is a shame to all Americans.

That is, quite frankly, the most factually incorrect statement on the issues the GOP faces today that I've seen.....all week.

To put it simply, Messaging is not the issue when your policies are still shit.

Ronald Reagan was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the GOP needs to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that they aren't getting another one or one similar to him.

I think it's too early to call for the death of the Republican Party. Most Americans i believe are center-right compared to say.. Europe. I think the Republican Party still has a good chance of getting a man in the white house under the right circumstances. in any case, the death of the Republican Party would be negative for America, the idea of any party having homogenous power or perpetual superiority over the other is horrendous.

[Gauthier]

The Republican Party has a tone and articulative issue, mostly. The vast majority of Americans are center-right but they've let the Democrats control the messaging. Conservatism is not on a death spiral, infact it's stronger than it ever was. The problem is messaging, We need to look no further than Ronald Reagan. If there was someone who could articulate Conservative principles who was willing to negotiate and be moderate, he would probably be elected by a landslide.

I think the reason most people are angry at Washington these days is because they can't get anything done, quite frankly the entire American political system is corrupt and ineffective. The American government, in my humble opinion, is a shame to all Americans.

That is, quite frankly, the most factually incorrect statement on the issues the GOP faces today that I've seen.....all week.

To put it simply, Messaging is not the issue when your policies are still shit.

Ronald Reagan was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the GOP needs to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that they aren't getting another one or one similar to him.

Or rather, they might get another Reagan or two but the Tea Party shuts those down like a legitimate rape because they're pinko socialists by today's standards.

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

That is, quite frankly, the most factually incorrect statement on the issues the GOP faces today that I've seen.....all week.

To put it simply, Messaging is not the issue when your policies are still shit.

Ronald Reagan was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the GOP needs to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that they aren't getting another one or one similar to him.

Or rather, they might get another Reagan or two but the Tea Party shuts those down like a legitimate rape because they're pinko socialists by today's standards.

Not everybody in the Republican Party is a tea partier. Mitt Romney was nominated and he wasn't exactly the tea party favorite.

[Blasveck]

That is, quite frankly, the most factually incorrect statement on the issues the GOP faces today that I've seen.....all week.

To put it simply, Messaging is not the issue when your policies are still shit.

Ronald Reagan was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the GOP needs to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that they aren't getting another one or one similar to him.

I think it's too early to call for the death of the Republican Party. Most Americans i believe are center-right compared to say.. Europe. I think the Republican Party still has a good chance of getting a man in the white house under the right circumstances. in any case, the death of the Republican Party would be negative for America, the idea of any party having homogenous power or perpetual superiority over the other is horrendous.

Yeah, um, my post literally had nothing to do with the death of the GOP.
I'm just saying that messaging is not the issue.

I mean, why do you think people like Rubio, who the GOP hopes can appeal (i.e. Spin the right message to minorities) to Hispanics actually has no extra appeal?

Why do you think that people like Romney ultimately failed when they had to appeal to the far-right, and their message was clear as day from that point forward?

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

I think it's too early to call for the death of the Republican Party. Most Americans i believe are center-right compared to say.. Europe. I think the Republican Party still has a good chance of getting a man in the white house under the right circumstances. in any case, the death of the Republican Party would be negative for America, the idea of any party having homogenous power or perpetual superiority over the other is horrendous.

Yeah, um, my post literally had nothing to do with the death of the GOP.
I'm just saying that messaging is not the issue.

I mean, why do you think people like Rubio, who the GOP hopes can appeal (i.e. Spin the right message to minorities) to Hispanics actually has no extra appeal?

Why do you think that people like Romney ultimately failed when they had to appeal to the far-right, and their message was clear as day from that point forward?

If the democrats can 'spin the right message to minorities' (i.e. 'appeal' to minorities') so can the Republicans. I think Obama has exacerbated partisan feelings in the Republican Party and America for that matter with his extremist policies.

[Libertechie]

I would say a moderate Tea Partier/libertarian conservative like Rand Paul or Justin Amash, who can make the GOP look like it stands for freedom, individuality (which is what this generation is about), and just the right to live your life, because the catchphrase of today's culture is really #yolo and it sums up the current cultural take on life. The youth make up a lot of the vote, and a lot of them just defect to the Dems because the media can make the GOP look misogynistic, racist, bigoted etc by quoting them on social issues. If the progressive, libertarian conservatives show that the party isn't full of moral majority congressmen, and for freedom to live your life, while attacking Obama for taking almost fascistic approaches to security, war, economics etc, then they'll do well I think. They also need good ad campaigns. But yeah. (This is from a foreign perspective btw)

[Norstal]

That is, quite frankly, the most factually incorrect statement on the issues the GOP faces today that I've seen.....all week.

To put it simply, Messaging is not the issue when your policies are still shit.

Ronald Reagan was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and the GOP needs to wake up, smell the roses, and realize that they aren't getting another one or one similar to him.

That person exists. He's called Obama. Too bad he's a democrat.

Obamacare is the same as Reaganomics?

Wtf mate

[Blasveck]

Yeah, um, my post literally had nothing to do with the death of the GOP.
I'm just saying that messaging is not the issue.

I mean, why do you think people like Rubio, who the GOP hopes can appeal (i.e. Spin the right message to minorities) to Hispanics actually has no extra appeal?

Why do you think that people like Romney ultimately failed when they had to appeal to the far-right, and their message was clear as day from that point forward?

If the democrats can 'spin the right message to minorities' (i.e. 'appeal' to minorities') so can the Republicans. I think Obama has exacerbated partisan feelings in the Republican Party and America for that matter with his extremist policies.

Or, the more likely scenario is that minorities favor democratic policies.

What you think of Obama has nothing to do with that.

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

I would say a moderate Tea Partier/libertarian conservative like Rand Paul or Justin Amash, who can make the GOP look like it stands for freedom, individuality (which is what this generation is about), and just the right to live your life, because the catchphrase of today's culture is really #yolo and it sums up the current cultural take on life. The youth make up a lot of the vote, and a lot of them just defect to the Dems because the media can make the GOP look misogynistic, racist, bigoted etc by quoting them on social issues. If the progressive, libertarian conservatives show that the party isn't full of moral majority congressmen, and for freedom to live your life, while attacking Obama for taking almost fascistic approaches to security, war, economics etc, then they'll do well I think. They also need good ad campaigns. But yeah. (This is from a foreign perspective btw)

I agree, I think Libertarianism could bring new life to the Republican Party, at the expense of some social issues potentially.

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

If the democrats can 'spin the right message to minorities' (i.e. 'appeal' to minorities') so can the Republicans. I think Obama has exacerbated partisan feelings in the Republican Party and America for that matter with his extremist policies.

Or, the more likely scenario is that minorities favor democratic policies.

What you think of Obama has nothing to do with that.

Blacks vote for Obama because he's black is what it seems like to me, and hispanics vote for him because he's going to give them handouts, citizenship and a green card to all their families back in Mexico. That's an oversimplification of course.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Or, the more likely scenario is that minorities favor democratic policies.

What you think of Obama has nothing to do with that.

Blacks vote for Obama because he's black is what it seems like to me, and hispanics vote for him because he's going to give them handouts, citizenship and a green card to all their families back in Mexico. That's an oversimplification of course.

Yes, just a bit.

[Uieurnthlaal]

That person exists. He's called Obama. Too bad he's a democrat.

Obamacare is the same as Reaganomics?

Wtf mate

In his first two years, Obama was reasonably liberal, but now, pushed right by the tea party, I'd argue that Obama is roughly the same level on the political spectrum as reagan was.

Plus, for all their comparisons, Obama's actually doing better than Reagan. Everyone seems to credit Reagan with a great economy, but let's not forget that when Reagan was at this same point in his term, the unemployment was actually higher than it is now. I know. Mindblow.

[Dyakovo]

The Republican Party has a tone and articulative issue, mostly. The vast majority of Americans are center-right but they've let the Democrats control the messaging. Conservatism is not on a death spiral, infact it's stronger than it ever was. The problem is messaging, We need to look no further than Ronald Reagan. If there was someone who could articulate Conservative principles who was willing to negotiate and be moderate, he would probably be elected by a landslide.

I think the reason most people are angry at Washington these days is because they can't get anything done, quite frankly the entire American political system is corrupt and ineffective. The American government, in my humble opinion, is a shame to all Americans.

You do realize that the Democrats are a centre-right party, yes?

[Blasveck]

Or, the more likely scenario is that minorities favor democratic policies.

What you think of Obama has nothing to do with that.

Blacks vote for Obama because he's black is what it seems like to me, and hispanics vote for him because he's going to give them handouts, citizenship and a green card to all their families back in Mexico. That's an oversimplification of course.

All of which has been thoroughly debunked, so I'll take that as a conscession.

Next.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

I would say a moderate Tea Partier/libertarian conservative like Rand Paul or Justin Amash

There's nothing the least bit libertarian about either of them, because they both advocate capitalism.

Libertarianism is, and always has been, anti-capitalist in outlook because capitalism is a fundamentally authoritarian mode of socioeconomic organization.

[Libertechie]

I would say a moderate Tea Partier/libertarian conservative like Rand Paul or Justin Amash

There's nothing the least bit libertarian about either of them, because they both advocate capitalism.

Libertarianism is, and always has been, anti-capitalist in outlook because capitalism is a fundamentally authoritarian mode of socioeconomic organization.

Right-libertarianism acknowledges social inequality as natural though, and inequality means hierarchy, so naturally (pun) right-libertarians support capitalism, even with authority. Right-libertarians don't mind hierarchies of business because businesses have high value in the competition and efficiency they bring, but most certainly detest governmental authority.

If we go further, right-libertarians don't support minimum wage increases, and are anti hate-crime (mostly), so thus in a way they are pro-hierarchy as the support the producers which have authority over workers. They don't support it because they like hierarchy so much, but they reckognize that free-market liberty comes at the price of hierarchy, and hierarchy is inevitable anyway. Left-libertarianism, anarcho-syndicalism etc is more anti-hierarchy.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I would say a moderate Tea Partier/libertarian conservative like Rand Paul or Justin Amash

There's nothing the least bit libertarian about either of them, because they both advocate capitalism.

Libertarianism is, and always has been, anti-capitalist in outlook because capitalism is a fundamentally authoritarian mode of socioeconomic organization.

This thing? Right here?

It kind of tends to take the thread off-topic.

Yes, I know that your definition of libertarianism differs from that of, say 98% or so of the American population. Yes, there is a remarkably good argument to be made that your definition is the correct one. However, when you start pushing that subject, it tends to take things pretty far off course, and the result is rarely edifying or instructive in anything but "How not to stay on topic".

[Neutraligon]

Or, the more likely scenario is that minorities favor democratic policies.

What you think of Obama has nothing to do with that.

Blacks vote for Obama because he's black is what it seems like to me, and hispanics vote for him because he's going to give them handouts, citizenship and a green card to all their families back in Mexico. That's an oversimplification of course.

This here, this is part of the problem republicans have. Somehow, people like you seem to think that African Americans do not vote based on the issues that affect them. Instead they vote for the black person. That comment right there is one of the most racist comments I have heard. The handout thing has already been debunked a number of times. Do you seriously think people will vote for Republicans when Republicans are saying you are all lazy bums who don't think, and then go on to make policy decisions that support that line of though?

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

Blacks vote for Obama because he's black is what it seems like to me, and hispanics vote for him because he's going to give them handouts, citizenship and a green card to all their families back in Mexico. That's an oversimplification of course.

This here, this is part of the problem republicans have. Somehow, people like you seem to think that African Americans do not vote based on the issues that affect them. Instead they vote for the black person. That comment right there is one of the most racist comments I have heard. The handout thing has already been debunked a number of times. Do you seriously think people will vote for Republicans when Republicans are saying you are all lazy bums who don't think, and then go on to make policy decisions that support that line of though?

I don't think 'all' black people vote for Obama because he's black, that's just part of the reason. I've heard plenty of black people say that they voted for Obama because he's Black and he's going to provide for them. infact, there are some black people that didn't even vote for Obama, but they're few and far between.

I'll just rip something from youtube that makes my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUEbdebWjY

[Blasveck]

This here, this is part of the problem republicans have. Somehow, people like you seem to think that African Americans do not vote based on the issues that affect them. Instead they vote for the black person. That comment right there is one of the most racist comments I have heard. The handout thing has already been debunked a number of times. Do you seriously think people will vote for Republicans when Republicans are saying you are all lazy bums who don't think, and then go on to make policy decisions that support that line of though?

I don't think 'all' black people vote for Obama because he's black, that's just part of the reason. I've heard plenty of black people say that they voted for Obama because he's Black and he's going to provide for them. infact, there are some black people that didn't even vote for Obama, but they're few and far between.

I'll just rip something from youtube that makes my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUEbdebWjY

Neither anecdotes nor a Youtube vid are sufficient enough data to suggest that black folks voted for Obama solely because he's black, so I have to ask:

Do you have any polling data or research to support that claim?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I don't think 'all' black people vote for Obama because he's black, that's just part of the reason. I've heard plenty of black people say that they voted for Obama because he's Black and he's going to provide for them. infact, there are some black people that didn't even vote for Obama, but they're few and far between.

I'll just rip something from youtube that makes my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUEbdebWjY

Neither anecdotes nor a Youtube vid are sufficient enough data to suggest that black folks voted for Obama solely because he's black, so I have to ask:

Do you have any polling data or research to support that claim?

I honestly wonder if people think that black voters would have gone over to McCain if Hillary had been the nominee.

[Neutraligon]

This here, this is part of the problem republicans have. Somehow, people like you seem to think that African Americans do not vote based on the issues that affect them. Instead they vote for the black person. That comment right there is one of the most racist comments I have heard. The handout thing has already been debunked a number of times. Do you seriously think people will vote for Republicans when Republicans are saying you are all lazy bums who don't think, and then go on to make policy decisions that support that line of though?

I don't think 'all' black people vote for Obama because he's black, that's just part of the reason. I've heard plenty of black people say that they voted for Obama because he's Black and he's going to provide for them. infact, there are some black people that didn't even vote for Obama, but they're few and far between.

I'll just rip something from youtube that makes my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUEbdebWjY

So do white people vote for white candidates?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I don't think 'all' black people vote for Obama because he's black, that's just part of the reason. I've heard plenty of black people say that they voted for Obama because he's Black and he's going to provide for them. infact, there are some black people that didn't even vote for Obama, but they're few and far between.

I'll just rip something from youtube that makes my point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSUEbdebWjY

So do white people vote for white candidates?

I admit, I've voted for white candidates in the past.