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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:44 am

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Jehuddah wrote:Politics is a masculine subject.
If it was a fashion website, all were women.

*sigh* No it's not. The only reason it seems like that is because of gender roles.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:45 am

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Individuality-ness wrote:I don't want an endemic of this. I don't want it banned, that would be dumb, but ugh.


I want less of this too. How do we do that, though?

Frowning upon it doesn't seem to do anything, since those insisting politics is masculine are convinced they are right.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:46 am

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Individuality-ness wrote:I don't want an endemic of this. I don't want it banned, that would be dumb, but ugh.

I want less of this too. How do we do that, though?

No bans on opinions unless they're really obnoxious (like calling feminists cunts or dykes). I wish we had a culture that was more welcoming and less snarky and negative.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:46 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:I want less of this too. How do we do that, though?

No bans on opinions unless they're really obnoxious (like calling feminists cunts or dykes). I wish we had a culture that was more welcoming and less snarky and negative.

You can blame our ancestors for starting that mess.

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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:49 am

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Jehuddah wrote:Politics is a masculine subject.
If it was a fashion website, all were women.


Case in motherfucking point.

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Postby Fulflood » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:52 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:I want less of this too. How do we do that, though?

No bans on opinions unless they're really obnoxious (like calling feminists cunts or dykes). I wish we had a culture that was more welcoming and less snarky and negative.

Could you have a thing which everyone posts after someone says something excessively bigoted, which makes the poster feel shunned but doesn't actually insult them?
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:55 am

Fulflood wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:No bans on opinions unless they're really obnoxious (like calling feminists cunts or dykes). I wish we had a culture that was more welcoming and less snarky and negative.

Could you have a thing which everyone posts after someone says something excessively bigoted, which makes the poster feel shunned but doesn't actually insult them?

We do that already. It never seems to work. Worse yet, we then have people applauding them and saying "yeah, show that dyke!" or "+1" or something like that.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:56 am

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Norstal wrote:Shit man, I'm a guy and things like these makes me want to go somewhere else.

I don't want an endemic of this. I don't want it banned, that would be dumb, but ugh.

Making shitposting against the rules.

I find forums with this rule to be of higher quality. However, it requires more-than-capable mods and, no offense to any mods here, but I don't trust them to make the kind of judgement to determine whether something is a shitpost or not. Just now, Kat misinterpreted your post.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:57 am

Norstal wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I don't want an endemic of this. I don't want it banned, that would be dumb, but ugh.

Making shitposting against the rules.

I find forums with this rule to be of higher quality. However, it requires more-than-capable mods and, no offense to any mods here, but I don't trust them to make the kind of judgement to determine whether something is a shitpost or not. Just now, Kat misinterpreted your post.

I know. I'm also aware that people think I meant "ban sexism!". No, I do not want to ban people for being sexist, I've said that myself.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:58 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I don't want an endemic of this. I don't want it banned, that would be dumb, but ugh.


I want less of this too. How do we do that, though?

To be honest, the only way to deal with it is to report the things that are reportable, and ignore the rest of those who wouldn't otherwise be convinced they were wrong.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:00 am

The Orson Empire wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:No bans on opinions unless they're really obnoxious (like calling feminists cunts or dykes). I wish we had a culture that was more welcoming and less snarky and negative.

You can blame our ancestors for starting that mess.


And we can blame ourselves for not stopping it.
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Postby The Tectonic Plates » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:03 am

Luveria wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
I want less of this too. How do we do that, though?

Frowning upon it doesn't seem to do anything, since those insisting politics is masculine are convinced they are right.


My favorite quote comes to mind in a situation like this. "The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

Honestly, this entire thread is a matter of what we value more. Community or Liberty and while I value Liberty more than Community, the Forum has precedent for banning wrong opinions, and I think sexist opinions should go down that path since we're striving for Community.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:09 am

The Tectonic Plates wrote:
Luveria wrote:Frowning upon it doesn't seem to do anything, since those insisting politics is masculine are convinced they are right.


My favorite quote comes to mind in a situation like this. "The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

Honestly, this entire thread is a matter of what we value more. Community or Liberty and while I value Liberty more than Community, the Forum has precedent for banning wrong opinions, and I think sexist opinions should go down that path since we're striving for Community.

I'd really rather see sexist opinions banned too. People spreading their sexist opinions is only harmful and drives people away, and then people wonder why there is such a disproportionate gender imbalance. It's a very vocal and loud minority with sexist opinions that feels the need to show it to everyone. I haven't exactly seen sexists open to the idea they could be wrong.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:13 am

Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:15 am

Individuality-ness wrote:Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.

Holy fucking shit. And this is why I prefer to stay out these debates. Shit flies and everyone gets shot.

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Postby Luciferius » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:15 am

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Power and influence in politics and culture. Mere numbers are irrelevant.


This is a discussion of numbers, dear.


And how they effect the NS culture.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:15 am

Individuality-ness wrote:Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.

I wish that behaviour wasn't so common.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:17 am

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.

Holy fucking shit. And this is why I prefer to stay out these debates. Shit flies and everyone gets shot.

Actually, in that same thread someone called me an "unemployed keyboard feminist". And of course, implied that I'm also trans*.

Luveria wrote:I wish that behaviour wasn't so common.

Me too. It's not conductive to discussion at all.
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Postby The Tectonic Plates » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:20 am

Individuality-ness wrote:Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.


Those six points just seem like three anti-equality individuals circle-jerking. While it is a sad reflection on the NS Community, I stand by my point that we'll lose nothing by banning sexists.
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Postby The Tectonic Plates » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:21 am

Luveria wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.

I wish that behaviour wasn't so common.


The behavior isn't common, it's just vocal, noticeable and downright sad.
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Postby Rocopurr » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:21 am

Individuality-ness wrote:Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.

I remember that thread. Luckily I haven't seen any of those posters since.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:22 am

The Tectonic Plates wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.

Those six points just seem like three anti-equality individuals circle-jerking. While it is a sad reflection on the NS Community, I stand by my point that we'll lose nothing by banning sexists.

I don't want to ban them. HOWEVER, this doesn't help, and it decreases my enjoyment here. At some point I just gave up on that thread because I was getting responses like these in a thread that had great potential.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:23 am

Rocopurr wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Case in point, I don't want to start a discussion with this OP, and have responses like this: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].

Probably not that extreme, but this doesn't really help.

I remember that thread. Luckily I haven't seen any of those posters since.

And more just keep coming and coming.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:24 am

Norstal wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I don't want an endemic of this. I don't want it banned, that would be dumb, but ugh.

Making shitposting against the rules.

I find forums with this rule to be of higher quality. However, it requires more-than-capable mods and, no offense to any mods here, but I don't trust them to make the kind of judgement to determine whether something is a shitpost or not. Just now, Kat misinterpreted your post.

Every forum I've been on that have anti "shit posting" rules have abused it. Anything the majority doesn't agree with becomes a "shit post". I'd leave immediately if that were enacted here.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:26 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Norstal wrote:Making shitposting against the rules.

I find forums with this rule to be of higher quality. However, it requires more-than-capable mods and, no offense to any mods here, but I don't trust them to make the kind of judgement to determine whether something is a shitpost or not. Just now, Kat misinterpreted your post.

Every forum I've been on that have anti "shit posting" rules have abused it. Anything the majority doesn't agree with becomes a "shit post". I'd leave immediately if that were enacted here.


SomethingAwful does an admirable job of it, by and large.

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