Woman denied US citizenship for being Atheist

[Danbershan]

Of American-born American citizens, how many (of those able) would in fact take up arms if war began?

[IshCong]

I...know...?
In the post you quoted I'm just addressing the claim that COs have a right not to defend the nation. They are presently eligible for and required to register for the draft, regardless of whether or not that right should or should not exist.

Which in this case is utterly moot as she is exempt from registering under the Selective Service system. Also whether or not you are a CO is of no importance as SS registration does not give an option for CO. That only happens if conscription is enacted.

So any issue of CO is pretty much moot with regards to the current legalities.

I...know that too...?
Why are you telling me all this and what does it have to do with me pointing out that people who object to serving in a combat role in the military (who I'm just going to keep calling COs because it is shorter) are still required to register for the draft and can be drafted?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Of American-born American citizens, how many (of those able) would in fact take up arms if war began?

Even illegal aliens are required to register via Selective Service if they meet the age requirement.

[IshCong]

The Dutch don't have to over-come bureaucratic inertia?
Well, I'm jealous.

I didn't state that.

But I'm quite sure that the American INS(or SCOTUS) is not a part of the Dutch bureaucracy

Oh? Really? Darn, I forgot there's other countries in the world that aren't 'Merica.
My mistake.

[Des-Bal]

I am hoping that there is enough reason left to squeeze out of this country to realize exactly how absurd this all is.

First, if a situation comes about where we have no avenues left but to institute the draft religious objections shouldn't be any more valid than I don't want to kill/die objections. And second, the entire point is rendered mot because even if we had a desperate need for personnel I can't imagine that a 64 year old woman is going to be at the top of the list when Uncle Sam comes a callin'.

It is absolutely infuriating that she needs a note from her god to be allowed into the country.

[The Blaatschapen]

I didn't state that.

But I'm quite sure that the American INS(or SCOTUS) is not a part of the Dutch bureaucracy

Oh? Really? Darn, I forgot there's other countries in the world that aren't 'Merica.
My mistake.

Other countries in the world are just future US states that haven't been incorporated yet.

[Zottistan]

That's a very, very misleading title. It's wrong what they did, but they didn't deny her citizenship for being an atheist. That wouldn't happen, and it didn't.

[Little Flowers]

United States ex. ref Knauff v. Shaughnessy

Non-citizens applying to immigrate to US have no entitlement or constitutional rights during time of application.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Which in this case is utterly moot as she is exempt from registering under the Selective Service system. Also whether or not you are a CO is of no importance as SS registration does not give an option for CO. That only happens if conscription is enacted.

So any issue of CO is pretty much moot with regards to the current legalities.

I...know that too...?
Why are you telling me all this and what does it have to do with me pointing out that people who object to serving in a combat role in the military (who I'm just going to keep calling COs because it is shorter) are still required to register for the draft and can be drafted?

Good. Just making sure

[Kaamnaayein]

Of American-born American citizens, how many (of those able) would in fact take up arms if war began?

"If" war began? Where have you been since 2001?

[Danbershan]

Of American-born American citizens, how many (of those able) would in fact take up arms if war began?

Even illegal aliens are required to register via Selective Service if they meet the age requirement.

Sorry, to be clear, what I meant was how many would actually go to war, rather than claim conscientious objector status. Assuming this isn't a war on Unitedstateisian soil.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

United States ex. ref Knauff v. Shaughnessy

Non-citizens applying to immigrate to US have no entitlement or constitutional rights during time of application.

Except she is already in the US.

[IshCong]

I...know that too...?
Why are you telling me all this and what does it have to do with me pointing out that people who object to serving in a combat role in the military (who I'm just going to keep calling COs because it is shorter) are still required to register for the draft and can be drafted?

Good. Just making sure

Okay then.

[IshCong]

Even illegal aliens are required to register via Selective Service if they meet the age requirement.

Sorry, to be clear, what I meant was how many would actually go to war, rather than claim conscientious objector status. Assuming this isn't a war on Unitedstateisian soil.

Every single soldier currently serving.
For starters.

[Des-Bal]

Even illegal aliens are required to register via Selective Service if they meet the age requirement.

Don't they also have to meet the penis requirement?

[The Blaatschapen]

Even illegal aliens are required to register via Selective Service if they meet the age requirement.

Don't they also have to meet the penis requirement?

Do you mean that they have to be a dick?

[The Blaatschapen]

Of American-born American citizens, how many (of those able) would in fact take up arms if war began?

"If" war began? Where have you been since 2001?

In AD 2101 war was beginning.

The USA was just about a hundred years early.

[IshCong]

Don't they also have to meet the penis requirement?

Do you mean that they have to be a dick?

I don't think so. Toms and Harrys are also acceptable, IIRC.

[Petrovsegratsk]

Only in America...

[Des-Bal]

Do you mean that they have to be a dick?

Women don't have to register for selective service, it doesn't really make sense to have her agree to comply to laws that don't apply to her to enter the country.

[Danbershan]

Of American-born American citizens, how many (of those able) would in fact take up arms if war began?

"If" war began? Where have you been since 2001?

I'm referring to a war of sufficient magnitude to merit the draft.

[IshCong]

Do you mean that they have to be a dick?

Women don't have to register for selective service, it doesn't really make sense to have her agree to comply to laws that don't apply to her to enter the country.

There is, however, the mandatory Oath of Allegiance, which includes "that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law".

Although the parts about bearing arms and performing noncombat military service can be excluded in some cases.

[Des-Bal]

There is, however, the mandatory Oath of Allegiance, which includes "that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law".

Although the parts about bearing arms and performing noncombat military service can be excluded in some cases.

I'm familiar. I don't recall the part that says "unless I have a note from a supreme being." Refusal to fight is refusal to fight, if this is strictly practical then it shouldn't matter what the reason is.

[Priory Academy USSR]

You have to be willing to take up arms for the state in order to become a citizen?

No, you don't. That's not even what the OP and the linked article says.

all candidates are asked if they’d be willing to take up arms in defense of the United States of America

Except for the fact it does.

[IshCong]

No, you don't. That's not even what the OP and the linked article says.

all candidates are asked if they’d be willing to take up arms in defense of the United States of America

Except for the fact it does.

Except for the fact that it doesn't.
It says they are asked if they are willing to take up arms in defense of the United States of America.
If they are, cool. If they're not...also cool, they can still become citizens, with the requirement that their objection be for religious reasons, apparently.