Woman denied US citizenship for being Atheist

[Sassinia]

This is fucking stupid.

[AiliailiA]

I think the woman's offer to serve in any other capacity not requiring her to kill, should be enough.

It should be, that's kinda the point. One should not require a religious affiliation to claim conscientious objector status.
Of course, one person gave a link that suggested that one doesn't require such an affiliation, and I can't find any other sources for the OP, so...

One doesn't require an affiliation to register as a Conscientious Objector, but it seems that only applies after registering for Selective Service and being accepted.

HOW TO APPLY
In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service, he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). A registrant making a claim for Conscientious Objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs.

Source as provided earlier by Soldati SC

So immigrants who would never have been eligible in their lives (eg female) really shouldn't be asked the question whether they are willing to take up arms in defense of the US, since only half of born citizens are asked that (and while deprived of certain things, do not lose citizenship for answering no by refusing registration). If she were a born citizen, she'd never be asked the question at all.

[Yjafjord]

oh good ole' USA, never failing to make me one more reason to be even more anti-american huh?
great job like always, can't wait to see what else you do, annex Canada maybe?

[The Sector Union]

Remember don't look at a shitty government worker like it's the entire government that's denying atheism.

[IshCong]

It should be, that's kinda the point. One should not require a religious affiliation to claim conscientious objector status.
Of course, one person gave a link that suggested that one doesn't require such an affiliation, and I can't find any other sources for the OP, so...

One doesn't require an affiliation to register as a Conscientious Objector, but it seems that only applies after registering for Selective Service and being accepted.

HOW TO APPLY
In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service, he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). A registrant making a claim for Conscientious Objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs.

Source as provided earlier by Soldati SC

So immigrants who would never have been eligible in their lives (eg female) really shouldn't be asked the question whether they are willing to take up arms in defense of the US, since only half of born citizens are asked that (and while deprived of certain things, do not lose citizenship for answering no by refusing registration).

Yeah, I can understand that.
Of course, I'd just extend the draft to encompass women and then ask the question anyway...but I'm not in control. =T

[Herador]

Remember don't look at a shitty government worker like it's the entire government that's denying atheism.

Jesus, did you just say something rational?

[The Sector Union]

Remember don't look at a shitty government worker like it's the entire government that's denying atheism.

Jesus, did you just say something rational?

I am capable of rational thought, like any other human.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

A great way to make me feel even more contempt for the US.

[Greed and Death]

She was rejected for refusing to take up arms.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

Meh. You wanna live here? Take part in defending it. Cook for the soldiers if that's the only part you want; there are plenty of non combat roles in a military.

[Sassinia]

Meh. You wanna live here? Take part in defending it. Cook for the soldiers if that's the only part you want; there are plenty of non combat roles in a military.

She's 64 years old, old enough for retirement.

[Yjafjord]

Meh. You wanna live here? Take part in defending it. Cook for the soldiers if that's the only part you want; there are plenty of non combat roles in a military.

as Military myself Of the CAF, i say NO
you don't have someone forcefully take part in an armed force if they don't want to. the best soldiers are those who have not know anthing but fighting (slaves really) or those who fight as they feel duty bound to protect those who can not, do not, and will not, protect themselves.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

Meh. You wanna live here? Take part in defending it. Cook for the soldiers if that's the only part you want; there are plenty of non combat roles in a military.

as Military myself Of the CAF, i say NO
you don't have someone forcefully take part in an armed force if they don't want to. the best soldiers are those who have not know anthing but fighting (slaves really) or those who fight as they feel duty bound to protect those who can't not, do not, and will not, protect themselves.

And? I give you the utmost level of respect for serving in our armed forces, however I must disagree wholeheartedly. She doesn't have to be a soldier; a janitor, a shrink, a cook; she could even donate some of the books to the soldiers for reading material. I just feel that if you want to live in America, A) Pay taxes, B) Be prepared to support the armed forces in some capability or another when called upon.

[Jehuddah]

She wouldn't defend the nation she wishes to call home? She can get the fuck out.

It's wrong indeed, but I she's 64, so it wouldn't really matter now.

[Greed and Death]

She wouldn't defend the nation she wishes to call home? She can get the fuck out.

It's wrong indeed, but I she's 64, so it wouldn't really matter now.

It speaks to her attitude, even if she is incapable she should be willing to defend this land before being offered the gift of citzenship.

[IshCong]

Meh. You wanna live here? Take part in defending it. Cook for the soldiers if that's the only part you want; there are plenty of non combat roles in a military.

as Military myself Of the CAF, i say NO
you don't have someone forcefully take part in an armed force if they don't want to. the best soldiers are those who have not know anthing but fighting (slaves really) or those who fight as they feel duty bound to protect those who can not, do not, and will not, protect themselves.

That's Craftworld's point, that one can serve the military in a non-combat role if they do not wish to serve in a combat capacity. Which is true, and goes far beyond cooking. Medics, any sort of desk job, recruitment...
That's also what she has (reportedly) stated, that she is fine with non-combat service, but does not wish to serve in a combat capacity.

[IshCong]

It's wrong indeed, but I she's 64, so it wouldn't really matter now.

It speaks to her attitude, even if she is incapable she should be willing to defend this land before being offered the gift of citzenship.

There's nothing wrong with conscientious objectors becoming citizens, to say nothing of natural born citizens that are conscientious objectors.
There's also more ways 'to defend this land' than serving in a combat role.

[Prevailing Blade]

I am atheist too are they going to take away citizenship from a naturally born citizen like me because of that, our damned government is such a pain.

[Battenburgia]

The Land of the Free

[Kaamnaayein]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a case of laws from a few decades ago and bureaucracy standing in the way of what the vast majority of Americans would find to be wrong. As was said, it violates the establishment clause and courts have ruled against the denial many times before. Hopefully, the attention it is getting will inspire a lawyer to pick up this woman's case, and additionally, inspire the government's bureaucrats to update their lousy citizenship requirements. I never did understand why citizenship (and even immigrant status) was so tough to get for immigrants.

[Greed and Death]

It speaks to her attitude, even if she is incapable she should be willing to defend this land before being offered the gift of citzenship.

There's nothing wrong with conscientious objectors becoming citizens, to say nothing of natural born citizens that are conscientious objectors.
There's also more ways 'to defend this land' than serving in a combat role.

We need to save the conscientious objector spots for people who are already citizens.

[Greed and Death]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a case of laws from a few decades ago and bureaucracy standing in the way of what the vast majority of Americans would find to be wrong. As was said, it violates the establishment clause and courts have ruled against the denial many times before. Hopefully, the attention it is getting will inspire a lawyer to pick up this woman's case, and additionally, inspire the government's bureaucrats to update their lousy citizenship requirements. I never did understand why citizenship (and even immigrant status) was so tough to get for immigrants.

Accommodation does not violate the establishment clause, and in some circumstances the free exercise clause may require accommodation.

[Yjafjord]

as Military myself Of the CAF, i say NO
you don't have someone forcefully take part in an armed force if they don't want to. the best soldiers are those who have not know anthing but fighting (slaves really) or those who fight as they feel duty bound to protect those who can't not, do not, and will not, protect themselves.

And? I give you the utmost level of respect for serving in our armed forces, however I must disagree wholeheartedly. She doesn't have to be a soldier; a janitor, a shrink, a cook; she could even donate some of the books to the soldiers for reading material. I just feel that if you want to live in America, A) Pay taxes, B) Be prepared to support the armed forces in some capability or another when called upon.

CAF, i said CAF...
do you even Military?
if somebody doesn't want to bear warms, they should have a RIGHT to not do so, if they wish to NOT support a war, they should be able to. conscientious objectors exist and should not be denied rights. even if they do hate my guts, i support their rights.

[Yjafjord]

as Military myself Of the CAF, i say NO
you don't have someone forcefully take part in an armed force if they don't want to. the best soldiers are those who have not know anthing but fighting (slaves really) or those who fight as they feel duty bound to protect those who can not, do not, and will not, protect themselves.

That's Craftworld's point, that one can serve the military in a non-combat role if they do not wish to serve in a combat capacity. Which is true, and goes far beyond cooking. Medics, any sort of desk job, recruitment...
That's also what she has (reportedly) stated, that she is fine with non-combat service, but does not wish to serve in a combat capacity.

oh wow, really?
allow me to apply more palms to face...

[Kaamnaayein]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a case of laws from a few decades ago and bureaucracy standing in the way of what the vast majority of Americans would find to be wrong. As was said, it violates the establishment clause and courts have ruled against the denial many times before. Hopefully, the attention it is getting will inspire a lawyer to pick up this woman's case, and additionally, inspire the government's bureaucrats to update their lousy citizenship requirements. I never did understand why citizenship (and even immigrant status) was so tough to get for immigrants.

Accommodation does not violate the establishment clause, and in some circumstances the free exercise clause may require accommodation.

I think you misunderstood me. What I meant to say was that rejecting the woman on the basis of her conscientious objection being of a non-religious nature violates the establishment clause. According to the article, the Supreme Court agrees with that as well. I can't see this holding up and her actually not being permitted citizenship on these grounds; rather, I find it more likely that some organization like the ACLU will pick up the case, take it to court, and get her the citizenship that she seemingly otherwise deserves.