Does God Exist?

[The New Lowlands]

So where is the proof they were guided by god himself? Photos? Videos? Foot prints? Something? Anything? Evidence is required. Or it's just a weak claim.

With that logic a lot of history is a weak claim.

Yep.

I mean, the argument for Julius Caesar invading Gaul is remarkably weak, but it's the best one we have.

[Bundesdeutschland]

What is valid if you can't even listen to a Bible verse and try to analyse it? Seems rather hypocritical from my perspective.

If god gave you free thinking, wouldn't he want you to question him. Maybe he is real but sends all the atheists to heaven for making use of the the tool of free thinking.

Free thinking doesn't matter in this; it's belief in God that matters. "For those who profess themselves wise become fools."

[The Rich Port]

So where is the proof they were guided by god himself? Photos? Videos? Foot prints? Something? Anything? Evidence is required. Or it's just a weak claim.

With that logic a lot of history is a weak claim.

Yup.

"History is written by the winners" and whatnot has always been an issue when it comes to history.

We can only guess at the past based on what people wrote and left behind.

Nobody, however, has ever claimed historical record isn't infallible. It changes every day as new evidence is found.

Unlike the Bible, according to Christians.

[The New Lowlands]

And you know this because?

Don't they say it, multiple times?

I speak for God.

He tells you to be less naïve.

[New Libertarian States]

So where is the proof they were guided by god himself? Photos? Videos? Foot prints? Something? Anything? Evidence is required. Or it's just a weak claim.

With that logic a lot of history is a weak claim.

Not really.
As I posted earlier, Ancient Egypt wrote down claims and events. It's RECORDED history. Then, people go out and see "Is this here, or is it here, or non existent"
If its provable, huzzah, it's correct history.

[Czechanada]

Citing a holy book as proof of a god's existence is irrational. That would mean any religion with a holy book is right.

[The New Lowlands]

If god gave you free thinking, wouldn't he want you to question him. Maybe he is real but sends all the atheists to heaven for making use of the the tool of free thinking.

Free thinking doesn't matter in this; it's belief in God that matters. "For those who profess themselves wise become fools."

Yeah, and we should go crusade in Jerusalem and go back to the good ole' days with plows and feudalism!

[The Orson Empire]

Alright then, you know what, never mind. Just forget I wrote the post. It is useless trying to prove my point here.

[Pandeeria]

If god gave you free thinking, wouldn't he want you to question him. Maybe he is real but sends all the atheists to heaven for making use of the the tool of free thinking.

Free thinking doesn't matter in this; it's belief in God that matters. "For those who profess themselves wise become fools."

Adolf hitler believed in god. Therefore he gets to go to heaven but some one like me and other just nice and normal people should burn in hell for ever? That's not good, that's beyond evil. That's horrific.

[Czechanada]

With that logic a lot of history is a weak claim.

Not really.
As I posted earlier, Ancient Egypt wrote down claims and events. It's RECORDED history. Then, people go out and see "Is this here, or is it here, or non existent"
If its provable, huzzah, it's correct history.

And the Egyptians did make an effort at keeping records.

[The Orson Empire]

Free thinking doesn't matter in this; it's belief in God that matters. "For those who profess themselves wise become fools."

Adolfo hitler believed in god. Therefore he gets to go to heaven but some one like me and other just nice and normal people should burn in hell for ever? That's not good, that's beyond evil. That's horrific.

If he didn't ask for forgiveness.

[Menassa]

It's not the same God you see... because one loves The Law and the other calls it a curse.

One damns those to hell who do not believe... the other doesn't have eternal hell.

Do you know which is which?

Christians don't say that the seed of a Gentile is worth the same as the seed of a donkey. Neither did the New Testament God order his men to kill all the young boys and their mothers, while taking the young virgin girls to be their wives. By your logic, the New Testament God is better than the Old Testament God.

Where is your source for that first 'quote' and second.

You realize Judges is a historical book.... meaning not everything that happened in it was 'accepted by god' just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean God condoned it.

So please, go read your Bible again from Genesis to Malachi... instead of Revelations to Genesis.

[Marsupials of the Claw]

How about we all just find out when we're dead? It's a bit pointless to debate what comes after life when it's during life right now....Tell you what, if the there are/is (G/g)od(s), then all y'all who believe can laugh at those in Hell or whatever . If the atheists are right, then...no one laughs? Oh well, it happens.

[The Grey Wolf]

Alright then, you know what, never mind. Just forget I wrote the post. It is useless trying to prove my point here.

Good. You're learning.

[Matta]

Alright so give me proof of the big bang. If there is no proof then its not real by your logic.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

What is valid if you can't even listen to a Bible verse and try to analyse it? Seems rather hypocritical from my perspective.

If god gave you free thinking, wouldn't he want you to question him. Maybe he is real but sends all the atheists to heaven for making use of the the tool of free thinking.

As I said in another thread on this very subject, specifically about Job.

Job questioned God daily.

But there's a difference between saying "Why would you do that God?" and saying "What gives you the right to do it? Who are you to do that?"

Job never question God's authority. His authority exists outside of yours.

Like 19: 39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples!”

40 “I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.”

God doesn't need your faith. The Universe declares his majesty. As I said, religion is not for God, religion is for you.
"

[Sociobiology]

then god does not exist, the universe is literally everything that exists.

exactly, matter can be turned into energy and vice verse, energy can be created from nothing as long as an equal amount of negative energy is generated, see virtual particles and negative energy.
In both circumstances matter and energy are created but the NET energy does not change.
Please please actually read the whole article before you quote it because it even describes this in detail.


wrong
the mass of the parent atom and the daughter atoms are not equal, wiki nuclear reactions while you are at it.


there is no "outside"
describe how before time exists works? In the time before time?

1. No the universe is only that which we can perceive to exist. there are numerous theories about existence beyond the universe.

Name three scientific theories to that effect.

2. The universe is the largest isolated system.

source
have you looked up virtual particles yet?

The law does not allow for the destruction of energy only the transfer of energy into alternate forms.

unless it reacts with an equal amount of negative energy.

3. No Atoms are not the smallest forms of matter.

do you know the difference between matter and mass?

have you looked up nuclear reactions yet?

what is lost is passed to somewhere else, it does not cease to be.

if it is lost it is turned into matter, if it is created some matter is destroyed, and that's just in nuclear reactions have you looked up virtual particles yet?

4. And again, you are wrong.

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source?
evidence?
Anything close to these?

have you finished reading the article you cut and pasted yet?

[The New Lowlands]

Alright then, you know what, never mind. Just forget I wrote the post. It is useless trying to prove my point here.

Mostly because your point is, at it's core, flawed.

Admit that, or go spout your bull elsewhere.

[Anachronous Rex]

I have read the Bible.

Have you?

No never i just have based all this on what I've heard from a high hippie(says in a sarcastic tone)

An astonishing number of Christians haven't, in my experience. How about the Avesta? Have you read that? I found the two to be very similar.

I found the Bhagavad Gita to be more insightful, and the Koran to be more beautiful (although claims of the unsurpassed nature of it's poetry are, in my view, greatly exaggerated.) I found Buddha to be more coherent and reasonable, and Kongzi to have a far greater grasp of human nature.

And all of these are surpassed by European works written within the last 500 years that do not invoke magic. As well as some others, (frankly, I think Persians are better at poetry then Arabs, but I digress.)

[New Libertarian States]

Not really.
As I posted earlier, Ancient Egypt wrote down claims and events. It's RECORDED history. Then, people go out and see "Is this here, or is it here, or non existent"
If its provable, huzzah, it's correct history.

And the Egyptians did make an effort at keeping records.

Indeed.
Most civilizations did.
Poor Romans though.

[Anachronous Rex]

Alright so give me proof of the big bang. If there is no proof then its not real by your logic.

Cosmic background radiation.

[The New Lowlands]

If god gave you free thinking, wouldn't he want you to question him. Maybe he is real but sends all the atheists to heaven for making use of the the tool of free thinking.

As I said in another thread on this very subject, specifically about Job.

Job questioned God daily.

But there's a difference between saying "Why would you do that God?" and saying "What gives you the right to do it? Who are you to do that?"

Job never question God's authority. His authority exists outside of yours.

Like 19: 39 Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples!”

40 “I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.”

God doesn't need your faith. The Universe declares his majesty. As I said, religion is not for God, religion is for you.
"

[citation needed]

[Pandeeria]

Adolfo hitler believed in god. Therefore he gets to go to heaven but some one like me and other just nice and normal people should burn in hell for ever? That's not good, that's beyond evil. That's horrific.

If he didn't ask for forgiveness.

What about the Ku Klux Klan? What about murders and rapists that ask for forgiveness, are they automatically off the hook?

[New Libertarian States]

Alright so give me proof of the big bang. If there is no proof then its not real by your logic.

Where have you lived for the last year?
You've heard the news of the Higgs boson particle, correct?
How about the brayne(yes, it's spelled like that) theory?

[The Basement of Your Mom]

"For those who profess themselves wise become fools."

Which cements Christianity as a religion for oppressed and downtrodden people. It's filled with statements denigrating talent, success, and pride, because it was targeted and the wretched, oppressed underclass, and to make them feel better about their lot in life, it tried to demolish the accomplishments of all of humanity so that everyone was on the same level as the underclass. Rather than try to lift the underclass up, or teach them how to shake off oppression, it offered an opiate to assuage their anger and make them complacent with their unacceptable lot in life.