Does God Exist?

[Bundesdeutschland]

Logic doesn't always apply to a being outside of time and human logic...

Logic applies to everything which is.

God is not within everything there is; He's beyond that.

[The Grey Wolf]

Like I said, same God (Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, etc.) Just different comsological stories.

You're asking why there is a contradiction in the Judeo-Christain God.

You're contradiction doesn't apply to half of the people who believe in that 'God'

I know that Jews believe that Satan didn't rebel. Just that the Christian God is the same as the Jewish one, therefore I used the term Judeo-Christian.

[The Basement of Your Mom]

Logic doesn't apply outside of logic. No kidding?

Demonstrate inhuman logic (this is actually possible, I'm just curious if you can pull it off.)

Does this count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraconsistent_logic

It's a set of rules for defining operations on propositions, so it's a "logic" in that sense.

[Pandeeria]

Viruses evolve to overcome vaccines. That's like evolution. EVOLUTION = REAL (according to that logic).

Not analogous.

1. Evidence that viruses evolve is, in fact, proof that some evolution happens, whereas demonstration that London exists is not proof that Harry Potter is real.

2. We have evidence for evolution extending far beyond just evolution of viruses. We have very strong evidence for some of the most overreaching claims, including common descent of all species. We only have evidence for some of the non-supernatural, totally mundane stuff in the bible kind of happening as described.

Wait one second. Do you believe in evolution like me? 2. Gave me the hint your not Christian so tell me.

[Sociobiology]

Oh thank god...

*waves stick*

"Chlamydia removeo!"

Logic doesn't always apply to a being outside of time and human logic...

but you have to demonstrate them before you can use them as an assumption or evidence in ANY argument.
Also you were the one attempting to use logic to support your position, if logic does not matter then why not worship Carl the albino dragon that lives in the moon and shits candy.

[Matta]

Listen Jehovah is proving himself once and for all that he is sovereign. Meaning that 6,000 years to prove this is nothing in Jehovah's and all the angels and demons. But listen 6,000 is need because its even worst today seeing all those not believing in god so right now people are proving Satan the biggest liar and proving Jehovah's Sovereignty.

[New Libertarian States]

So you believe in the events of Moses and the exodus from Pharaoh, correct?

Yes.

Ok.
Now, kindly explain this:
1)How excatly did Egypt's economy not collapse after the mass exodus of 1.2 million slaves? Do not compare it to American Civil War, slavery was dieing at the time.
2)According to Egyptian records, no mass exodus is recorded.The only records that match the Mass Exodus are the The Ipuwer Papyrus, but scientists concluded they were too far apart to be Bible accurate. The only thing that is similar to the exodus is the Exodis of the minor pharaoh Meses.

[Salandriagado]

I would like to say I am a Pharisee son of a Pharisee.

You see I don't believe that it is the same God... who would give us a Law after the event that made us not able to keep it as a mirror for us... yet tell us it's not to far.

The law kept the people bound until Jesus died. You still looking for the Messiah? He's already passed! He's unbound the ceremony of it. You may not believe it, I can obviously see that, but guess what, I do. and I have evidence from the same text you read.

That isn't evidence.

[The New Lowlands]

Statement by Orson:
A: "The bible is true."
B: "This is because there is writing to back some of it up."

Ai: "X is true."
Bi: "This is because there is writing to back some of X up."

Aii: "Harry Potter is true."
Bii: "This is because there is writing to back some of HP up."

Do you understand now, that that is exactly what you said?

I'm talking about actual historical places and things that happened, not fan fiction.

So, for example, let's say there was a story about a stick in Nazareth or whatever, and we found the stick, would that prove that the stick healed Jeebus, son of Whoever, because it said so in the Bible?

[The Basement of Your Mom]

God is not within everything there is

That is literally equivalent to the statement "God does not exist."

[Menassa]

I would like to say I am a Pharisee son of a Pharisee.

You see I don't believe that it is the same God... who would give us a Law after the event that made us not able to keep it as a mirror for us... yet tell us it's not to far.

The law kept the people bound until Jesus died. You still looking for the Messiah? He's already passed! He's unbound the ceremony of it. You may not believe it, I can obviously see that, but guess what, I do. and I have evidence from the same text you read.

That's not even true according to Christian theology no one could keep the Law anyway Luther said it is to act as a mirror so we see our filth.

However, the longest chapter in the Bible Psalm 119... what does king David spend the most time talking about... his Love for the Messiah?

No. How sweet and precious God's Laws are.

For it is not in heaven... it is not across the sea... it is near to us.

[Bundesdeutschland]

Ughh, I don't even know anymore, all I know is that this argument is dragging on forever, which was the point I was trying to make earlier.

Ok let's start over.
The bible is real because _____________________________.
Please fill in the blank with a valid response and we can work from there.

What is valid if you can't even listen to a Bible verse and try to analyse it? Seems rather hypocritical from my perspective.

[Sociobiology]

Logic applies to everything which is.

God is not within everything there is; He's beyond that.

therefor is is within everything that is not, therefor does not exist.

[drops mic walks off]

[Pandeeria]

Logic applies to everything which is.

God is not within everything there is; He's beyond that.

So is he outside of everything. Or by beyond that, do you mean he IS everything?

[Czechanada]

Statement by Orson:
A: "The bible is true."
B: "This is because there is writing to back some of it up."

Ai: "X is true."
Bi: "This is because there is writing to back some of X up."

Aii: "Harry Potter is true."
Bii: "This is because there is writing to back some of HP up."

Do you understand now, that that is exactly what you said?

I'm talking about actual historical places and things that happened, not fan fiction.

There are actual historians, anthropologists, archaeologists, paleontologists, and geologists that happened, and they found evidence that the events that the Bible claims happened weren't exactly accurate.

So it would be more fair to say that the Bible is fan fiction.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Logic applies to everything which is.

God is not within everything there is; He's beyond that.

He is beyond existence?
He doesn't exist, then. You just said it.

[Menassa]

You're asking why there is a contradiction in the Judeo-Christain God.

You're contradiction doesn't apply to half of the people who believe in that 'God'

I know that Jews believe that Satan didn't rebel. Just that the Christian God is the same as the Jewish one, therefore I used the term Judeo-Christian.

It's not the same God you see... because one loves The Law and the other calls it a curse.

One damns those to hell who do not believe... the other doesn't have eternal hell.

Do you know which is which?

[The New Lowlands]

Logic applies to everything which is.

God is not within everything there is; He's beyond that.

Remind me how he can affect our universe?

[Anachronous Rex]

Logic doesn't apply outside of logic. No kidding?

Demonstrate inhuman logic (this is actually possible, I'm just curious if you can pull it off.)

Does this count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraconsistent_logic

It's a set of rules for defining operations on propositions, so it's a "logic" in that sense.

I was thinking more in terms of human cognitive bias, but that might work too. I'd have to think about it.

[Pandeeria]

Ok let's start over.
The bible is real because _____________________________.
Please fill in the blank with a valid response and we can work from there.

What is valid if you can't even listen to a Bible verse and try to analyse it? Seems rather hypocritical from my perspective.

"I have swam to Jupiter and back"
There is a verse from me. And analyze it? It's just someone that wrote something down. Mere desert stories.

[Anachronous Rex]

Listen Jehovah is proving himself once and for all that he is sovereign. Meaning that 6,000 years to prove this is nothing in Jehovah's and all the angels and demons. But listen 6,000 is need because its even worst today seeing all those not believing in god so right now people are proving Satan the biggest liar and proving Jehovah's Sovereignty.

That... wouldn't pass a Turing test.

[New Libertarian States]

Ok let's start over.
The bible is real because _____________________________.
Please fill in the blank with a valid response and we can work from there.

What is valid if you can't even listen to a Bible verse and try to analyse it? Seems rather hypocritical from my perspective.

Because your supposed to question everything.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

1. God would have existed outside of the laws of the universe before creating them.

then god does not exist, the universe is literally everything that exists.

2. Jesus, okay Wikipedia to your rescue. The law of conservation of energy, first formulated in the nineteenth century, is a law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time. The total energy is said to be conserved over time. For an isolated system, this law means energy is localized and can change its location within the system, and it can change form within the system, for instance, chemical energy can become kinetic energy but it can be neither created nor destroyed.

exactly, matter can be turned into energy and vice verse, energy can be created from nothing as long as an equal amount of negative energy is generated, see virtual particles and negative energy.
In both circumstances matter and energy are created but the NET energy does not change.
Please please actually read the whole article before you quote it because it even describes this in detail.

3. No Fission and Fusion does not destroy matter, It Changes matter.

wrong
the mass of the parent atom and the daughter atoms are not equal, wiki nuclear reactions while you are at it.

4. As I said, the outside force who wrote the laws,

there is no "outside"
describe how before time exists works? In the time before time?

1. No the universe is only that which we can perceive to exist. there are numerous theories about existence beyond the universe.

2. The universe is the largest isolated system. The law does not allow for the destruction of energy only the transfer of energy into alternate forms.

3. No Atoms are not the smallest forms of matter. what is lost is passed to somewhere else, it does not cease to be.

4. And again, you are wrong.

[Matta]

Listen Jehovah is proving himself once and for all that he is sovereign. Meaning that 6,000 years to prove this is nothing in Jehovah's and all the angels and demons. But listen 6,000 is need because its even worst today seeing all those not believing in god so right now people are proving Satan the biggest liar and proving Jehovah's Sovereignty.

That... wouldn't pass a Turing test.

Read the bible and you will actually understand. Most atheist don't even read the bible and claim that it isn't true you don't know whats in there .

[Bundesdeutschland]

The law kept the people bound until Jesus died. You still looking for the Messiah? He's already passed! He's unbound the ceremony of it. You may not believe it, I can obviously see that, but guess what, I do. and I have evidence from the same text you read.

That's not even true according to Christian theology no one could keep the Law anyway Luther said it is to act as a mirror so we see our filth.

However, the longest chapter in the Bible Psalm 119... what does king David spend the most time talking about... his Love for the Messiah?

No. How sweet and precious God's Laws are.

For it is not in heaven... it is not across the sea... it is near to us.

God's Laws are precious, but they were, unfortunately, distorted by the simony and traditionalism within the Sanhedrin and within Judaism altogether. In other words, they've lost their first love for God. Matthew 15:8- "These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me."