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Does God Exist

Yes
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No
213
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Maybe so
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:23 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Menassa wrote:Your first quote is not only a mistranslation but in Isaiah 14:4 it says it's talking about the King of Babylon.

Your second quote... I don't know why you did this but let me out line it for you.
"Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus,"

You should have pulled a Paul and only quoted the latter half of the verse.


No. Don't distort it. It wasn't a mistranslation. It was directly talking about Lucifer right there. That's the most open part about Lucifer there is in the Old Testament, let alone the Bible from what I've read.

Rabosai,

Isaiah 14:4
"you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended!"

In Biblical context it's not talking about lucifer... even if you will say Lucifer=Day start like Holocaust=Burnt Offering.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:23 pm

Pandeeria wrote:Orson you haven't earned that cookie yet. Please provide other "evidence" or tell how the bible is in any sense factual evidence.

There are actually records that do show evidence that events in the Bible did happen.

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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:23 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Miencraft wrote:Alrighty then, now all you've got to do is prove that that's true.

It is true.

How is it true?
The bible is true because ________________________.
Fill in the blank for me sir.
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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:23 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Please prove there is a hell. Please prove something from your religion is true and you shall get a cookie. Please, evidence please.

....The Bible.

Hell is not even in the bible...
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:23 pm

Matta wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:So evil exists because, even though he is omniscient, he needed to see the outcome of a bet he made with a sadist who he lets screw with people.

That must have sounded better in your head.


No he is proving right now so no other being in the future after he proves his sovereignty will question him.

Is there a reason the demonstration has to last thousands of years? The point would be proven after the first week.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:23 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:In the words of a spartan, "IF"


One of the few (if not only) countries that gave Alexander the Great the middle finger and lived. :bow:

They did get conquered along with the rest of the known world at that time.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:24 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:....The Bible.

Hell is not even in the bible...

Umm, yes it is.

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Postby The Basement of Your Mom » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:24 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:There are actually records that do show evidence that events in the Bible did happen.


London exists, and they really do have train stations, therefore all of Harry Potter is true.

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Postby Menassa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:24 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Menassa wrote:One third of the host of heaven joined him? Is that the Judeo God?

Satan rebelled? Is that the Judeo God?


Same God. Would you prefer Judeo-Christian-Muslim?

It's not the same God... I'm not sure if you're aware but Jews don't believe Satan rebelled against God and it is from the Jewish understanding that Angels don't have free-will.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:24 pm

Pandeeria wrote:Orson you haven't earned that cookie yet. Please provide other "evidence" or tell how the bible is in any sense factual evidence.


The Bible itself is like a textbook, chronicling real-life events, such as the origin of the Jews, the Roman Empire, the death of Jesus even! What more should I say?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:24 pm

The Basement of Your Mom wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:There are actually records that do show evidence that events in the Bible did happen.


London exists, and they really do have train stations, therefore all of Harry Potter is true.

No, thats not what I am talking about. You are missing the point.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:24 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Our fault for breaking a rule we couldn't comprehend because we didn't understand sin?


Not only did we not understand sin, but we WILLINGLY took the path into it. The action God took was justified in that sense.

But...
If we did not understand sin, then we could not comprehend why it was bad to sin, so we could not understand that we were not supposed to take the path to it.

It's like telling a newborn to stop crying, and then beating it with a crowbar because it kept on crying. Evil and idiotic.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:24 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:No, I'm talking about God's perspective.

Why are all you Christians so arrogant that you assume that if God exists, he gives a rat's ass about us in the unfashionable western spiral arm of this insignificant galaxy which is but a speck of a microcosm of the clusters of superclusters of galaxies that fill part of our universe?


WHY DID GOD CREATE THEN???? If you haven't noticed, God loves us! Read the Bible and see! If you don't like it, then leave!

I've read the Bible, and the Qu'ran. You should try the latter, I found it a better read.

I don't believe that God created anything, since I don't believe his existence, but maybe he just farted everything into existence.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:24 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Orson you haven't earned that cookie yet. Please provide other "evidence" or tell how the bible is in any sense factual evidence.


The Bible itself is like a textbook, chronicling real-life events, such as the origin of the Jews, the Roman Empire, the death of Jesus even! What more should I say?

Exactly. Thats what I meant by records.

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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:25 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Orson you haven't earned that cookie yet. Please provide other "evidence" or tell how the bible is in any sense factual evidence.

There are actually records that do show evidence that events in the Bible did happen.

Like?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:25 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
One of the few (if not only) countries that gave Alexander the Great the middle finger and lived. :bow:

They did get conquered along with the rest of the known world at that time.


Stop ruining my dreams Biden! You already did that in '08 and '12.

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Postby Quovis Celestis » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:25 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Orson you haven't earned that cookie yet. Please provide other "evidence" or tell how the bible is in any sense factual evidence.

There are actually records that do show evidence that events in the Bible did happen.


Present the records please.

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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:25 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
The Basement of Your Mom wrote:
London exists, and they really do have train stations, therefore all of Harry Potter is true.

No, thats not what I am talking about. You are missing the point.

No, that's pretty much exactly what you're saying.

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Postby The Basement of Your Mom » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:25 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:No, thats not what I am talking about. You are missing the point.


Some of the more mundane events recorded in the bible happened somewhat like they were described, therefore the bible is true.

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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:25 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Orson you haven't earned that cookie yet. Please provide other "evidence" or tell how the bible is in any sense factual evidence.

There are actually records that do show evidence that events in the Bible did happen.

London exists,
Harry Potter takes place in London
therefore wizards and griffons are real

do you understand the flaw in the logic now?
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Postby Menassa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:26 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Orson you haven't earned that cookie yet. Please provide other "evidence" or tell how the bible is in any sense factual evidence.


The Bible itself is like a textbook, chronicling real-life events, such as the origin of the Jews, the Roman Empire, the death of Jesus even! What more should I say?

It's interesting that the Bible itself can't even get right the most important event in Christianity... let alone contemporary historians write nothing of it.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:26 pm

The Basement of Your Mom wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:There are actually records that do show evidence that events in the Bible did happen.


London exists, and they really do have train stations, therefore all of Harry Potter is true.

damn beat me to it.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:26 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Orson you haven't earned that cookie yet. Please provide other "evidence" or tell how the bible is in any sense factual evidence.


The Bible itself is like a textbook, chronicling real-life events, such as the origin of the Jews, the Roman Empire, the death of Jesus even! What more should I say?

And if I was reading a text book, and I read about a flood that covered the world, requiring an unimaginably large amount of water, an army of 140000+ people disappearing, two bears running out of the woods to maul children who laughed at a bald man and other such ridiculous things, I'd put down the textbook because obviously everyone involved in making it was constantly high.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:26 pm

Menassa wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Same God. Would you prefer Judeo-Christian-Muslim?

It's not the same God... I'm not sure if you're aware but Jews don't believe Satan rebelled against God and it is from the Jewish understanding that Angels don't have free-will.


Like I said, same God (Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, etc.) Just different comsological stories.

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Postby Matta » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:26 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Matta wrote:
No he is proving right now so no other being in the future after he proves his sovereignty will question him.

Is there a reason the demonstration has to last thousands of years? The point would be proven after the first week.


:palm: That is far from true. I mean really a week I mean :palm:. No he could not prove it in a week. thousands of years proves that people will always serve him not just for their own well being. A week is not enough to prove people serve him not just for their well being.
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