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Does God Exist

Yes
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No
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Maybe so
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Frisivisia
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:09 pm

Matta wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Why not? Does it not make sense? Does the logic not work?


Humans are imperfect so we may find stuff reproachable but God knows it isn't. Also why would god make something reproachable. Also he didn't make us imperfect and cause us to suffer. That was Adam and Eve who disobeyed him by eating from the tree of knowledge between right and wrong.

If they were able to disobey him, how could they be perfect?
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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:09 pm

Bundesdeutschland wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Further proof anybody can make a website.


Then read the Bible buddy!! Otherwise, it's your choice to agree or not. It's that simple. And did you even read it yet?

I have read it.

Have you?
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:09 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

Why did God create us with that defect if he foresaw the consequences and would just punish us for it?

Because he is an ass whole.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:10 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Why did God create us with that defect if he foresaw the consequences and would just punish us for it?

Because he is an ass whole.

As opposed to an ass half?
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Matta
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Postby Matta » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:10 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Matta wrote:
Humans are imperfect so we may find stuff reproachable but God knows it isn't. Also why would god make something reproachable. Also he didn't make us imperfect and cause us to suffer. That was Adam and Eve who disobeyed him by eating from the tree of knowledge between right and wrong.

Because he is an ass whole!


First you misspelled hole and second he warned them that they would become imperfect and die if they disobeyed him. So no he isn't Adam and Eve are.
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:10 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

Why did God create us with that defect if he foresaw the consequences and would just punish us for it?

That's a great question.
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:10 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:But your god created Satan. And didn't your god create EVERYTHING? Even sin?



How Can God create that which is not of him? Sin is an absence of God, a turn away from God.


And there is sin in the universe. Therefore, god did not create the universe. QED.
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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:10 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

... So God hates Colombians?


You know what that means, right?

Anybody who dies of disease or natural disasters deserves it.

Therefore, we don't need medicine.

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The Basement of Your Mom
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Postby The Basement of Your Mom » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:11 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:3. No Fission and Fusion does not destroy matter, It Changes matter. Wow, how bout YOU go back to school.


Matter-antimatter annihilation. The spontaneous production of virtual particles at the perturbation level of interaction field theories. The tunneling of a false-vacuum to a lower state, releasing energy that can spontaneously solidify into fermionic matter particles.

Need I go on?

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:11 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:

How Can God create that which is not of him? Sin is an absence of God, a turn away from God.


And there is sin in the universe. Therefore, god did not create the universe. QED.

Actually Isaiah 45:7 says God does create evil.
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:11 pm

Matta wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Because he is an ass whole!


First you misspelled hole and second he warned them that they would become imperfect and die if they disobeyed him. So no he isn't Adam and Eve are.

Sorry, I accidentally quoted the wrong comment :meh:
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Condunum » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Matta wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Because he is an ass whole!


First you misspelled hole and second he warned them that they would become imperfect and die if they disobeyed him. So no he isn't Adam and Eve are.

Yes, what a loving person. So forgiving.

No, fuck that god. Fuck him in the ass. Fuck him sideways, fuck him against the wall. Fuck him here, fuck him there, fuck him everywhere. Fuck him with a moose, fuck him on a caboose. Fuck him in a shoe, fuck him in a canoe.

That god is a prick, and he will never be my god.
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Tarsonis Survivors
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

Why did God create us with that defect if he foresaw the consequences and would just punish us for it?



Good question. But as I said to someone else, We can only speak of God, we cannot speak for God.


Religion is not for God's benefit. His existence is not dependent on your belief in him. Religion is for your benefit For you to draw closer to him. Whether you choose to or not, is ultimately up to you.

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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Well, it's hard to give up a belief when you've been taught it and known it for most of your life.

I can understand that. I respect that. You do see though, right? Why let childhood indoctrination get in the way of seeing the way things are?

It might be easy for you, but not for me. Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate my religion. I don't actually have a desire to dump it.
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Postby Matta » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Also Satan was an angel but he decide he wanted to take God's sovereignty so he became the devil and caused Adam and Eve to disobey. Satan became the father of lies and he is the cause of pain and suffering and us being imperfect.
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Bundesdeutschland wrote:
Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

Why did God create us with that defect if he foresaw the consequences and would just punish us for it?


Life itself is a test, remember? He gave us free will to decide to do what we could and we chose the wrong path. God wants US ourselves to actually admit we need his help, that we are all helpless without him. He could of just let die in Hell or rot away. But of course you don't believe in heaven or hell do you? Well, face it buddy! It's real! Wanna prove it (which I'm hoping you won't!)?
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Postby Slafstopia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:12 pm

...Wait, so Bundesdeutschland, if God created the species of human bot flies that REQUIRES a human host to reproduce, but only a while AFTER creating them did he let them do so...

...how did the botflies survive?
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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Why did God create us with that defect if he foresaw the consequences and would just punish us for it?



Good question. But as I said to someone else, We can only speak of God, we cannot speak for God.


Religion is not for God's benefit. His existence is not dependent on your belief in him. Religion is for your benefit For you to draw closer to him. Whether you choose to or not, is ultimately up to you.

Query;

Why bother?

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Postby The Basement of Your Mom » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:13 pm

Menassa wrote:Actually Isaiah 45:7 says God does create evil.


But many Jews accept that god is not wholly nice and good all the time. It's Christians that insist on omnibenevolence as a necessary property of god.

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Postby Condunum » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:13 pm

Matta wrote:Also Satan was an angel but he decide he wanted to take God's sovereignty so he became the devil and caused Adam and Eve to disobey. Satan became the father of lies and he is the cause of pain and suffering and us being imperfect.

Yeah, we've all heard the fairy tale.
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:13 pm

Condunum wrote:
Matta wrote:
First you misspelled hole and second he warned them that they would become imperfect and die if they disobeyed him. So no he isn't Adam and Eve are.

Yes, what a loving person. So forgiving.

No, fuck that god. Fuck him in the ass. Fuck him sideways, fuck him against the wall. Fuck him here, fuck him there, fuck him everywhere. Fuck him with a moose, fuck him on a caboose. Fuck him in a shoe, fuck him in a canoe.

That god is a prick, and he will never be my god.

That was a beautiful poem :clap:
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Menassa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:13 pm

Matta wrote:Also Satan was an angel but he decide he wanted to take God's sovereignty so he became the devil and caused Adam and Eve to disobey. Satan became the father of lies and he is the cause of pain and suffering and us being imperfect.

And where is that Biblically?

Not in the book of Job.
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:13 pm

Condunum wrote:
Matta wrote:
First you misspelled hole and second he warned them that they would become imperfect and die if they disobeyed him. So no he isn't Adam and Eve are.

Yes, what a loving person. So forgiving.

No, fuck that god. Fuck him in the ass. Fuck him sideways, fuck him against the wall. Fuck him here, fuck him there, fuck him everywhere. Fuck him with a moose, fuck him on a caboose. Fuck him in a shoe, fuck him in a canoe.

That god is a prick, and he will never be my god.


Then so be it then. You've sealed your fate.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:14 pm

Matta wrote:Also Satan was an angel but he decide he wanted to take God's sovereignty so he became the devil and caused Adam and Eve to disobey. Satan became the father of lies and he is the cause of pain and suffering and us being imperfect.

So here's a question: Why didn't god kill him?

He certainly killed enough other people that we know he doesn't have a problem with it.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:14 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:I can understand that. I respect that. You do see though, right? Why let childhood indoctrination get in the way of seeing the way things are?

It might be easy for you, but not for me. Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate my religion. I don't actually have a desire to dump it.

Why not? If it doesn't make sense, don't do it. You can drop belief in a god or belief in a religion without dumping purpose or goodness or dedication to values.
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