Does God Exist?

[Frisivisia]

There is no blatant opposite of anything. You might stab some one but they don't die instantly. And evil might just but a different perspective of good.

Read my earlier post and this website:


http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html

It claims that evil isn't a thing. That's stupid and bullshit. Fuck that.

[The Basement of Your Mom]

You're misinterpreting that. Can you paint a picture of something you can't perceive, can you create something you can't Imagine? No you cannot.

Actually not true. We created quantum mechanics, and even to this day, most working physicists can't imagine or comprehend it in any real way, and the founders of quantum mechanics certainly couldn't imagine it.

In addition, what can god not perceive or imagine? Is he no longer all-powerful and all-knowing?

Evil is an absence of Good. Satan was once in God's Grace but turned from God. Humanity was in God's grace but turned from God.

So god, who is morally perfect, is capable of creating beings which are not morally perfect.

[Frisivisia]

Y'know, somewhere in the endless depths of space, there's a planet orbiting at the right distance from a star to have liquid water. Life has probably been born there, and survival of the fittest is pretty limiting to what can arise as the dominant species. So the aliens are probably largely similar to humans. This probably means they have a similar nature too. Similar nature probably results in similar ideas like religion.

Don't insult religous people. We don't know WHAT kinda crap those aliens could have in their arsenal.

Fuck 'em.

[The Orson Empire]

I just really can't agree with you on that. God does everything for a good reason.

That's circular logic. If God does something reproachable, does it become good because he did it? Fuck no.

I can't agree with you on that. I just can't.

[The Rich Port]

There is no blatant opposite of anything. You might stab some one but they don't die instantly. And evil might just but a different perspective of good.

Read my earlier post and this website:


http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html

Further proof anybody can make a website.

[Frisivisia]

That's circular logic. If God does something reproachable, does it become good because he did it? Fuck no.

I can't agree with you on that. I just can't.

Why not? Does it not make sense? Does the logic not work?

[Bundesdeutschland]

God punished us by letting us suffer. Simple as that. But also another thing: he DIDN'T want us to suffer. That's why he sent Jesus to die for us. In this case, the Bible is valid evidence:

Genesis 3:14-24- "14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

This does nothing to explain how sin created bot flies.

Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

[The Rich Port]

Y'know, somewhere in the endless depths of space, there's a planet orbiting at the right distance from a star to have liquid water. Life has probably been born there, and survival of the fittest is pretty limiting to what can arise as the dominant species. So the aliens are probably largely similar to humans. This probably means they have a similar nature too. Similar nature probably results in similar ideas like religion.

Don't insult religous people. We don't know WHAT kinda crap those aliens could have in their arsenal.

You know what they DON'T have?

AMERICA.

[Condunum]

Evil is not the absence of good.

Murder is the absence of non-murder, which is composed of anti-homicidium.

[The Orson Empire]

I can't agree with you on that. I just can't.

Why not? Does it not make sense? Does the logic not work?

Well, it's hard to give up a belief when you've been taught it and known it for most of your life.

[Pandeeria]

There is no blatant opposite of anything. You might stab some one but they don't die instantly. And evil might just but a different perspective of good.

Read my earlier post and this website:


http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html

Evil is no a thing. How the fuck is that not a thing. One thing I really laugh at is the inconsistency of religion.

[Frisivisia]

This does nothing to explain how sin created bot flies.

Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

Why did God create us with that defect if he foresaw the consequences and would just punish us for it?

[Matta]

I can't agree with you on that. I just can't.

Why not? Does it not make sense? Does the logic not work?

Humans are imperfect so we may find stuff reproachable but God knows it isn't. Also why would god make something reproachable. Also he didn't make us imperfect and cause us to suffer. That was Adam and Eve who disobeyed him by eating from the tree of knowledge between right and wrong.

[Bundesdeutschland]

Read my earlier post and this website:


http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html

Further proof anybody can make a website.

Then read the Bible buddy!! Otherwise, it's your choice to agree or not. It's that simple. And did you even read it yet?

[Anachronous Rex]

Y'know, somewhere in the endless depths of space, there's a planet orbiting at the right distance from a star to have liquid water. Life has probably been born there, and survival of the fittest is pretty limiting to what can arise as the dominant species. So the aliens are probably largely similar to humans. This probably means they have a similar nature too. Similar nature probably results in similar ideas like religion.

Don't insult religous people. We don't know WHAT kinda crap those aliens could have in their arsenal.

Nothing compared the power of the anti-theistic Galactic Cephalopod Empire.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

And as I said, in that other thread, "LOGIC" denotes that everything must come from somewhere.

which means nothingness cannot exist and the universe cannot have a beginning, otherwise nothing not even gods could exist. Which is how it is painfully easy to tell you are misunderstanding.

the actual principle is, "the net energy of a closed system constant."
otherwise written as
"the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time"

Since by the sacred and holy laws of physics, "Matter can be neither Created nor Destroyed."

wrong, we make and destroy matter all the time. that's what powers the sun and every nuclear reactor.

"Energy can neither be created nor destroyed"

wrong, read some physic not written by a grade school teacher.

logic would denote that an outside force would have had to create said matter, said energy, said universal laws, and said universe in which all the a fore mentioned exist.

Nope that would violate the laws as you written them as well.

Please see Law of conservation of Matter. Law of Conservation of Energy.

yes see them, because you have not quoted them yet.

1. God would have existed outside of the laws of the universe before creating them. You're the one misunderstanding.

2. Jesus, okay Wikipedia to your rescue. The law of conservation of energy, first formulated in the nineteenth century, is a law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time. The total energy is said to be conserved over time. For an isolated system, this law means energy is localized and can change its location within the system, and it can change form within the system, for instance, chemical energy can become kinetic energy but it can be neither created nor destroyed.

3. No Fission and Fusion does not destroy matter, It Changes matter. Wow, how bout YOU go back to school.

4. As I said, the outside force who wrote the laws, would not be bound by the laws they created, as they would have already existed outside those laws.

[Condunum]

You do not deserve the name matta.

More like "Doesn't matta"!

/reallylamejoke

Matta is an artist, who's music I happen to enjoy.

[The Basement of Your Mom]

Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

So in other words, sin didn't create the harm, god created it. Look, even if you believe that a punishment was deserved, the person giving out the punishment is still morally responsible for doing so. Even if they should punish, and it's morally good to punish, they are still morally culpable for choosing to punish. In that case, they would be morally responsible for choosing to do the right thing.

[Frisivisia]

Why not? Does it not make sense? Does the logic not work?

Well, it's hard to give up a belief when you've been taught it and known it for most of your life.

I can understand that. I respect that. You do see though, right? Why let childhood indoctrination get in the way of seeing the way things are?

[Pandeeria]

Why not? Does it not make sense? Does the logic not work?

Humans are imperfect so we may find stuff reproachable but God knows it isn't. Also why would god make something reproachable. Also he didn't make us imperfect and cause us to suffer. That was Adam and Eve who disobeyed him by eating from the tree of knowledge between right and wrong.

[Anachronous Rex]

This does nothing to explain how sin created bot flies.

Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

They can only exist by causing harm. They gestate in living creatures.

[The New Lowlands]

This does nothing to explain how sin created bot flies.

Bot flies were not originally created to cause harm, but God used those as an instrument of his judgement.

... So God hates Colombians?

[Condunum]

Murder is the absence of non-murder, which is composed of anti-homicidium.

There is no blatant opposite of anything. You might stab some one but they don't die instantly. And evil might just but a different perspective of good.

That's the joke.

[Sociobiology]

Can you paint a picture of something you can't perceive

YES, my printer does it every day.

, can you create something you can't Imagine?

yes
See every time I try my hand at baking carrot cake. {shudder}

Evil is an absence of Good.

so the universe is evil?

Satan was once in God's Grace but turned from God.

Harry Potter was chosen for Slithern but chose Grffindor instead.

Humanity was in God's grace but turned from God.

If choosing knowledge over ignorance is turning from god than good riddance.
Knowledge cured Polio, and reattached severed limbs, god has yet to match either feet.

[The Rich Port]

Further proof anybody can make a website.

Then read the Bible buddy!! Otherwise, it's your choice to agree or not. It's that simple. And did you even read it yet?

I've read the Bible aplenty.

That doesn't make it NOT bullshit.