Does God Exist?

[Umikai]

How about you prove it?

Since morality is a value system it requires evaluators (subjective entities.)
Therefore, good is whatever we agree upon as being a valueable action. Given that we award medals for bravery (overcoming fear) and not simple "lack of fear", I consider the point proven.

So good can come from overcoming evil, but does good always come from doing so?

[Genivaria]

Let me just put this on context for everyone here. God does not have to know what it feels like to sin to be omniscient, any more than he has to be able to sin to be omnipotent.

Yes he does, your god doesn't get a special pass to violate logic.

[Khytenna]

if there was one subject i couldn't care less about it would be able the existence of god/goddess/ sexless deity.

why waste your live in worry over something that may or may not exist, why waste your life trying to stop people believing in something that or may not exist when they clearly are happy believing, why? its stupid.

[Ostroeuropa]

Let me just put this on context for everyone here. God does not have to know what it feels like to sin to be omniscient, any more than he has to be able to sin to be omnipotent.

Let me just put this in context for everyone here. I don't have to know what it feels like to love in order to know what how emotions feel, any more than I have to be able to love to be able to have sex.

Non sequiter. Try again.

[Ostroeuropa]

Since morality is a value system it requires evaluators (subjective entities.)
Therefore, good is whatever we agree upon as being a valueable action. Given that we award medals for bravery (overcoming fear) and not simple "lack of fear", I consider the point proven.

So good can come from overcoming evil, but does good always come from doing so?

I'd say yes.

[Ostroeuropa]

if there was one subject i couldn't care less about it would be able the existence of god/goddess/ sexless deity.

why waste your live in worry over something that may or may not exist, why waste your life trying to stop people believing in something that or may not exist when they clearly are happy believing, why? its stupid.

Because they are wrong. (I answered for both sides.)

[Umikai]

God asks himself "am I omniscient?" Because he is omniscient, he knows the answer to this question (and every other question, by the definition of omniscience)- "yes."

Again, begging the question.
I hope your not suggesting god is too ignorant to know how logical fallacies work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

In that case, if I cant prove it, you still cannot disprove it.

[Umikai]

So good can come from overcoming evil, but does good always come from doing so?

I'd say yes.

Prove it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Again, begging the question.
I hope your not suggesting god is too ignorant to know how logical fallacies work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

In that case, if I cant prove it, you still cannot disprove it.

I've already proven that omniscience is not possible.

[Umikai]

God asks himself "am I omniscient?" Because he is omniscient, he knows the answer to this question (and every other question, by the definition of omniscience)- "yes."

Omniscience is a very annoying concept, especially for a world with free will.

What if he knows every possible outcome?

[Genivaria]

Again, begging the question.
I hope your not suggesting god is too ignorant to know how logical fallacies work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

In that case, if I cant prove it, you still cannot disprove it.

Ain't Burden of Proof a bitch?

[Ostroeuropa]

I'd say yes.

Prove it.

It's a value system. It doesn't need proving. It's a subjective evaluation.
I value it, therefore, it is valued.
It is SELF-proving.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Correction - why can't he overcome an evil or ambivalent nature? Are you saying God has an evil or ambivalent nature to overcome?

How about Satan?

Satan is God's evil or ambivalent nature? Note the nature part. Nature. Internal. God's being. Not an external evil force to be vanquished, but what is inside.

Let me just put this on context for everyone here. God does not have to know what it feels like to sin to be omniscient, any more than he has to be able to sin to be omnipotent.

Well he's proud, jealous, wrathful apparently... so he does know what it is to sin. In terms of thing things he apparently told us were sins.

[Ostroeuropa]

Omniscience is a very annoying concept, especially for a world with free will.

What if he knows every possible outcome?

Does he know which will come about?

[Umikai]

In that case, if I cant prove it, you still cannot disprove it.

I've already proven that omniscience is not possible.

Except that your disproving his omniscience is falsifiable.

[Ostroeuropa]

I've already proven that omniscience is not possible.

Except that your disproving his omniscience is falsifiable.

Is it? How?

[Anachronous Rex]

This renders the "test" of earthly experience entirely meaningless.

It renders the sacrifice of Jesus a moot point.

No it doesn't as it was all necessary still for Jesus to be a perfect Lamb.

No. Omniscience means that no proof or action is required, as the outcome is already known.

[Umikai]

What if he knows every possible outcome?

Does he know which will come about?

I suppose so, he's omniscient after all lol. You still haven't quoted the Bible to say that God is omniscient.

[Anachronous Rex]

Omniscience is a very annoying concept, especially for a world with free will.

What if he knows every possible outcome?

If he knows possible outcomes, but does not know which will occur, his knowledge is limited. He is not all-knowing.

[Condunum]

Omniscience is a very annoying concept, especially for a world with free will.

What if he knows every possible outcome?

Then he also knows what will happen, and there is no free will.

Not saying you claimed there was, that's just my contention with omniscience.

[Stovokor]

Yeah i'ma go with this guy here, you're able to know of things without having experienced them, this is the very basis of education, and why jobs ask for personal experience along with your attained degree.

Knowing OF Lust wasn't the question.
It was 'Does God know what Lust FEELS like?' the answer is no, and therefore he isn't omniscient.

Ahh my bad, I see what you mean now.

However, lets have some fun with this, what if we take this from a post-modernist angle and question if an individual's experience of lust differs from one to the next, to where lust is an absolutely relative experienced based on how individual people perceive and acknowledge their experiences with and of lust. What do you think?

This is wholly focusing the experience of lust and not it's relation to god, which even from this standpoint would only support your case.

[Ostroeuropa]

Does he know which will come about?

I suppose so, he's omniscient after all lol. You still haven't quoted the Bible to say that God is omniscient.

Job 37:16
Psalm 147:5
1 Samuel 2:3
Isaiah 55:9
Job 28:24
1 John 3:19-20
Hebrews 4:13
Isaiah 46:9
Matthew 10:30
Psalm 139:4

Best Example:
1 John 3:19-20

By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.

Does it make you sad that an Atheist knows the bible better than you?
Maybe if you read it you wouldn't believe in it as much.

[Umikai]

Except that your disproving his omniscience is falsifiable.

Is it? How?

Because of my "begging the question" logic- there is a conceivable way for your disproving to be wrong, so it is falsifiable.

[Umikai]

I suppose so, he's omniscient after all lol. You still haven't quoted the Bible to say that God is omniscient.

Job 37:16
Psalm 147:5
1 Samuel 2:3
Isaiah 55:9
Job 28:24
1 John 3:19-20
Hebrews 4:13
Isaiah 46:9
Matthew 10:30
Psalm 139:4

Best Example:
1 John 3:19-20

By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.

Does it make you sad that an Atheist knows the bible better than you?
Maybe if you read it you wouldn't believe in it as much.

No, it makes me sad you can't believe in it. And sorry, I probably haven't had as much time as you xD

[Ostroeuropa]

Is it? How?

Because of my "begging the question" logic- there is a conceivable way for your disproving to be wrong, so it is falsifiable.

When arguing if omniscience is possible, it is not a sufficient answer to say "yes it is, because it is."
Begging the question and viciously ciruclar reasoning are not logic. They are anti-logic.
Again, I have to come back to my point that you clearly do not understand philosophy