Does God Exist?

[Umikai]

Why cant he overcome evil?

Correction - why can't he overcome an evil or ambivalent nature? Are you saying God has an evil or ambivalent nature to overcome?

How about Satan?

[Condunum]

Why is there a missing shade of blue if she knew everything?

TMSOB is another thought experiment.

It's also one of the most confusing things to wrap one's head around.

[Ostroeuropa]

Now i'm thoroughly convinced you have no idea what you are talking about.

The problem is that you're assuming there are unknowns. If you could get off your high horse and realize you're not that clever, you could be able to realize that for God there are not two sets of information, known ad unknown, but one set- known.

But how does he know there isn't another set?
He cannot know that. It is impossible to know that there isn't an unknown unknown. What about this is so difficult for you to comprehend?
Since it's impossible to know whether or not an unknown unknown exists, that constitutes a KNOWN unknown. (Something I know I don't know.)
Which absolutely disqualifies you for Omniscience, whether or not there ever WAS an unknown unknown to begin with is irrelevant.

[Umikai]

Why cant he overcome evil?

He cannot overcome his evil or ambivalent nature. because he isn't evil or ambivalent or nuanced.

This all started with an assumption that an entity must "overcome [it's] evil nature" to be good. What if that assumption is false?

[Ostroeuropa]

TMSOB is another thought experiment.

It's also one of the most confusing things to wrap one's head around.

I really enjoyed it. I spent hours staring at the question mark trying desperately to conjure the missing shade of blue.

[Ostroeuropa]

He cannot overcome his evil or ambivalent nature. because he isn't evil or ambivalent or nuanced.

This all started with an assumption that an entity must "overcome [it's] evil nature" to be good. What if that assumption is false?

Do you think it's false?

[Anachronous Rex]

False.

Yeah i'ma go with this guy here, you're able to know of things without having experienced them, this is the very basis of education, and why jobs ask for personal experience along with your attained degree.

That applies to facts, it does not apply to emotion.

[Umikai]

The problem is that you're assuming there are unknowns. If you could get off your high horse and realize you're not that clever, you could be able to realize that for God there are not two sets of information, known ad unknown, but one set- known.

But how does he know there isn't another set?
He cannot know that. It is impossible to know that there isn't an unknown unknown. What about this is so difficult for you to comprehend?
Since it's impossible to know whether or not an unknown unknown exists, that constitutes a KNOWN unknown. (Something I know I don't know.)
Which absolutely disqualifies you for Omniscience, whether or not there ever WAS an unknown unknown to begin with is irrelevant.

it's not "impossible to know whether or not an unknown unknown exists." If God is omniscient, wouldn't he know whether or not an unknown unknown exists, by the definition of omniscience?

[Madredia]

God is the only One Who possesses limitless knowledge. The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary defines “omniscience” as “knowing everything,” and the Bible certainly ascribes omniscience to God (Psalm 139:1-4; cf. Woods, 1988, p. 34). Consider a sample of what the Bible reveals about God’s omniscience: “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good” (Proverbs 15:3). “Can anyone teach God knowledge, since He judges those on high?” (Job 21:22, emp. added).

God's omniscience means he possesses knowledge of all that is. He does not necessarily have to have felt something to know it. He created whales. He knows what its like to be a whale. He's never been a whale.e

[Umikai]

This all started with an assumption that an entity must "overcome [it's] evil nature" to be good. What if that assumption is false?

Do you think it's false?

Yup.

[Ostroeuropa]

But how does he know there isn't another set?
He cannot know that. It is impossible to know that there isn't an unknown unknown. What about this is so difficult for you to comprehend?
Since it's impossible to know whether or not an unknown unknown exists, that constitutes a KNOWN unknown. (Something I know I don't know.)
Which absolutely disqualifies you for Omniscience, whether or not there ever WAS an unknown unknown to begin with is irrelevant.

it's not "impossible to know whether or not an unknown unknown exists." If God is omniscient, wouldn't he know whether or not an unknown unknown exists, by the definition of omniscience?

If so, then it isn't an unknown unknown. If he knows whether or not it exists, it's a known.
The question is, how does god know that he is really omniscient.

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you think it's false?

Yup.

Based on what?

[Umikai]

The problem is that you're assuming there are unknowns. If you could get off your high horse and realize you're not that clever, you could be able to realize that for God there are not two sets of information, known ad unknown, but one set- known.

But how does he know there isn't another set?
He cannot know that. It is impossible to know that there isn't an unknown unknown. What about this is so difficult for you to comprehend?
Since it's impossible to know whether or not an unknown unknown exists, that constitutes a KNOWN unknown. (Something I know I don't know.)
Which absolutely disqualifies you for Omniscience, whether or not there ever WAS an unknown unknown to begin with is irrelevant.

He knows there's not another set because he knows everything xD

[Anachronous Rex]

God is the only One Who possesses limitless knowledge. The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary defines “omniscience” as “knowing everything,” and the Bible certainly ascribes omniscience to God (Psalm 139:1-4; cf. Woods, 1988, p. 34). Consider a sample of what the Bible reveals about God’s omniscience: “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good” (Proverbs 15:3). “Can anyone teach God knowledge, since He judges those on high?” (Job 21:22, emp. added).

God's omniscience means he possesses knowledge of all that is. He does not necessarily have to have felt something to know it. He created whales. He knows what its like to be a whale. He's never been a whale.e

This renders the "test" of earthly experience entirely meaningless.

It renders the sacrifice of Jesus a moot point.

[Umikai]

Yup.

Based on what?

How about you prove it?

[Ostroeuropa]

But how does he know there isn't another set?
He cannot know that. It is impossible to know that there isn't an unknown unknown. What about this is so difficult for you to comprehend?
Since it's impossible to know whether or not an unknown unknown exists, that constitutes a KNOWN unknown. (Something I know I don't know.)
Which absolutely disqualifies you for Omniscience, whether or not there ever WAS an unknown unknown to begin with is irrelevant.

He knows there's not another set because he knows everything xD

Begging the question.
Sorry, try again. And do so without commiting logical fallacies.

[Genivaria]

God is the only One Who possesses limitless knowledge. The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary defines “omniscience” as “knowing everything,” and the Bible certainly ascribes omniscience to God (Psalm 139:1-4; cf. Woods, 1988, p. 34). Consider a sample of what the Bible reveals about God’s omniscience: “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good” (Proverbs 15:3). “Can anyone teach God knowledge, since He judges those on high?” (Job 21:22, emp. added).

God's omniscience means he possesses knowledge of all that is. He does not necessarily have to have felt something to know it. He created whales. He knows what its like to be a whale. He's never been a whale.e

Yeah your still not making sense and quoting bible verses doesn't help you any.

[Chinese Regions]

God is the only One Who possesses limitless knowledge. The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary defines “omniscience” as “knowing everything,” and the Bible certainly ascribes omniscience to God (Psalm 139:1-4; cf. Woods, 1988, p. 34). Consider a sample of what the Bible reveals about God’s omniscience: “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good” (Proverbs 15:3). “Can anyone teach God knowledge, since He judges those on high?” (Job 21:22, emp. added).

God's omniscience means he possesses knowledge of all that is. He does not necessarily have to have felt something to know it. He created whales. He knows what its like to be a whale. He's never been a whale.e

Does god know that he is a whale?

[Ostroeuropa]

Based on what?

How about you prove it?

Since morality is a value system it requires evaluators (subjective entities.)
Therefore, good is whatever we agree upon as being a valueable action. Given that we award medals for bravery (overcoming fear) and not simple "lack of fear", I consider the point proven.

[Madredia]

God is the only One Who possesses limitless knowledge. The Illustrated Oxford Dictionary defines “omniscience” as “knowing everything,” and the Bible certainly ascribes omniscience to God (Psalm 139:1-4; cf. Woods, 1988, p. 34). Consider a sample of what the Bible reveals about God’s omniscience: “The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good” (Proverbs 15:3). “Can anyone teach God knowledge, since He judges those on high?” (Job 21:22, emp. added).

God's omniscience means he possesses knowledge of all that is. He does not necessarily have to have felt something to know it. He created whales. He knows what its like to be a whale. He's never been a whale.e

This renders the "test" of earthly experience entirely meaningless.

It renders the sacrifice of Jesus a moot point.

No it doesn't as it was all necessary still for Jesus to be a perfect Lamb.

[Condunum]

It's also one of the most confusing things to wrap one's head around.

I really enjoyed it. I spent hours staring at the question mark trying desperately to conjure the missing shade of blue.

I'd personally find it easier to close my eyes and picture it, as the question mark ruins the continuity.

[Umikai]

it's not "impossible to know whether or not an unknown unknown exists." If God is omniscient, wouldn't he know whether or not an unknown unknown exists, by the definition of omniscience?

If so, then it isn't an unknown unknown. If he knows whether or not it exists, it's a known.
The question is, how does god know that he is really omniscient.

God asks himself "am I omniscient?" Because he is omniscient, he knows the answer to this question (and every other question, by the definition of omniscience)- "yes."

[Ostroeuropa]

If so, then it isn't an unknown unknown. If he knows whether or not it exists, it's a known.
The question is, how does god know that he is really omniscient.

God asks himself "am I omniscient?" Because he is omniscient, he knows the answer to this question (and every other question, by the definition of omniscience)- "yes."

Again, begging the question.
I hope your not suggesting god is too ignorant to know how logical fallacies work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

[Madredia]

Let me just put this on context for everyone here. God does not have to know what it feels like to sin to be omniscient, any more than he has to be able to sin to be omnipotent.

[Condunum]

If so, then it isn't an unknown unknown. If he knows whether or not it exists, it's a known.
The question is, how does god know that he is really omniscient.

God asks himself "am I omniscient?" Because he is omniscient, he knows the answer to this question (and every other question, by the definition of omniscience)- "yes."

Omniscience is a very annoying concept, especially for a world with free will.