Does God Exist?

[Genivaria]

Use your faith.

So you're saying it's true but not fact? like parts of the Bible?

No I was silently mocking your hypocrisy in previously saying you don't need facts and demanding facts now.

[Stovokor]

To know lust is to experience lust.

False.

Yeah i'ma go with this guy here, you're able to know of things without having experienced them, this is the very basis of education, and why jobs ask for personal experience along with your attained degree.

[Madredia]

If you had ever really understood Christianity you would never have become apostate. He allowed himself to be crucified because only a perfect being bearing all of man's sins would qualify to be a sacrifice to cleanse all of man's sins. God doesn't break his own rules. If he wasn't God, his death would be useless, and there would be no point in it.

Oh here we go with the No True Scotsmen nonsense. I think it's safe to dismiss you.

Sure just underline a portion of what I said and don't address the rest. Its not a NTSF. Its quite simple. How can you be telling me you understand Christianity when you don't even get its most basic principle?

[Umikai]

How do you know that?

Lust is an intense desire or craving.

In order for god to know what it feels like to have an intense desire or craving, he must have experienced it. Otherwise, he wouldn't know what it feels like.
The Missing Shade of Blue is an example of this.

Why is there a missing shade of blue if she knew everything?

[Ostroeuropa]

False.

Yeah i'ma go with this guy here, you're able to know of things without having experienced them, this is the very basis of education, and why jobs ask for personal experience along with your attained degree.

Can you know what it's like to lust without having lusted?
Can you know the experience of lust, what it feels like, etc.
I'd say no, that isn't possible.

[Genivaria]

False.

Yeah i'ma go with this guy here, you're able to know of things without having experienced them, this is the very basis of education, and why jobs ask for personal experience along with your attained degree.

Knowing OF Lust wasn't the question.
It was 'Does God know what Lust FEELS like?' the answer is no, and therefore he isn't omniscient.

[Ostroeuropa]

Lust is an intense desire or craving.

In order for god to know what it feels like to have an intense desire or craving, he must have experienced it. Otherwise, he wouldn't know what it feels like.
The Missing Shade of Blue is an example of this.

Why is there a missing shade of blue if she knew everything?

TMSOB is another thought experiment.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Not really no. And I'm not sure why you assume I don't understand Christianity seeing as how I was one for the majority of my life.

If you had ever really understood Christianity you would never have become apostate. He allowed himself to be crucified because only a perfect being bearing all of man's sins would qualify to be a sacrifice to cleanse all of man's sins. God doesn't break his own rules. If he wasn't God, his death would be useless, and there would be no point in it.

Except the no killing rule. Oh, wait, God isn't bound by the rules he sets us! He can kill as much as he likes.

Oh yes, and it had to be him. He had to sacrifice himself, to himself, to save humanity from something he himself inflicted upon them, and that is the only way he could do it. He couldn't say "I forgive you" if they apologized without first letting himself be killed first so... because it's not like he's God and can do what he wants. Unless it involves killing people. He can do that ok without being evil or anything.

[Genivaria]

Oh here we go with the No True Scotsmen nonsense. I think it's safe to dismiss you.

Sure just underline a portion of what I said and don't address the rest. Its not a NTSF. Its quite simple. How can you be telling me you understand Christianity when you don't even get its most basic principle?

Vicarious redemption and human sacrifice. I assure you I 'get' Christianity, I just don't buy it.

[Umikai]

So you're saying it's true but not fact? like parts of the Bible?

No I was silently mocking your hypocrisy in previously saying you don't need facts and demanding facts now.

I wasn't demanding facts xD i was saying how that story is like the Bible- it holds truth without fact. those were sarcastic questions. That story is a perfect example of truth without fact.

[Madredia]

Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness. And when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of Good and Evil, they did so so that they "Would have knowledge of good and evil, being like god." SO God does know what lust and other evil feels like because he has knowledge of it.

That doesn't make a lick of sense. It's still a contradiction.

How is it a contradiction? God has knowledge of Good and Evil because he is Good, and all he detests is Evil.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Oh here we go with the No True Scotsmen nonsense. I think it's safe to dismiss you.

Sure just underline a portion of what I said and don't address the rest. Its not a NTSF. Its quite simple. How can you be telling me you understand Christianity when you don't even get its most basic principle?

You can get it and still think it's pretty silly/illogical.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'll take on omnibenevolence next, since it's the one I get the most joy out of.

If god is perfect and all that, he has no flaws to overcome.
A wise dragon once said;
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
As god cannot overcome an evil or ambivalent nature, he cannot truly ever be good.

[Umikai]

Why is there a missing shade of blue if she knew everything?

TMSOB is another thought experiment.

did you mean "that"? and it's not a thought experiment, she knows everything, so there isn't anything left for her to learn.

[Ostroeuropa]

No I was silently mocking your hypocrisy in previously saying you don't need facts and demanding facts now.

I wasn't demanding facts xD i was saying how that story is like the Bible- it holds truth without fact. those were sarcastic questions. That story is a perfect example of truth without fact.

What about this statement cannot be applied to literally any work of fiction.

[Genivaria]

That doesn't make a lick of sense. It's still a contradiction.

How is it a contradiction? God has knowledge of Good and Evil because he is Good, and all he detests is Evil.

The question was 'Does God know what Lust feels like?' seeing as how God is supposedly perfect the answer is no, which would mean he's not omniscient.
That's the contradiction.

[Umikai]

I'll take on omnibenevolence next, since it's the one I get the most joy out of.

If god is perfect and all that, he has no flaws to overcome.
A wise dragon once said;
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
As god cannot overcome an evil or ambivalent nature, he cannot truly ever be good.

Why cant he overcome evil?

[Ostroeuropa]

TMSOB is another thought experiment.

did you mean "that"? and it's not a thought experiment, she knows everything, so there isn't anything left for her to learn.

Now i'm thoroughly convinced you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Umikai]

I wasn't demanding facts xD i was saying how that story is like the Bible- it holds truth without fact. those were sarcastic questions. That story is a perfect example of truth without fact.

What about this statement cannot be applied to literally any work of fiction.

It can be applied to any work of fiction, that's why it's a good statement, and that's why the Bible can have truth without facts...

[Ostroeuropa]

I'll take on omnibenevolence next, since it's the one I get the most joy out of.

If god is perfect and all that, he has no flaws to overcome.
A wise dragon once said;
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
As god cannot overcome an evil or ambivalent nature, he cannot truly ever be good.

Why cant he overcome evil?

He cannot overcome his evil or ambivalent nature. because he isn't evil or ambivalent or nuanced.

[Genivaria]

I'll take on omnibenevolence next, since it's the one I get the most joy out of.

If god is perfect and all that, he has no flaws to overcome.
A wise dragon once said;
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
As god cannot overcome an evil or ambivalent nature, he cannot truly ever be good.

Fuck the Blades, Paarthurnax is awesome.

[Transhuman Proteus]

I'll take on omnibenevolence next, since it's the one I get the most joy out of.

If god is perfect and all that, he has no flaws to overcome.
A wise dragon once said;
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
As god cannot overcome an evil or ambivalent nature, he cannot truly ever be good.

Why cant he overcome evil?

Correction - why can't he overcome an evil or ambivalent nature? Are you saying God has an evil or ambivalent nature to overcome?

[Ostroeuropa]

I'll take on omnibenevolence next, since it's the one I get the most joy out of.

If god is perfect and all that, he has no flaws to overcome.
A wise dragon once said;
"What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
As god cannot overcome an evil or ambivalent nature, he cannot truly ever be good.

Fuck the Blades, Paarthurnax is awesome.

Damn straight he is.

[Madredia]

If you had ever really understood Christianity you would never have become apostate. He allowed himself to be crucified because only a perfect being bearing all of man's sins would qualify to be a sacrifice to cleanse all of man's sins. God doesn't break his own rules. If he wasn't God, his death would be useless, and there would be no point in it.

Except the no killing rule. Oh, wait, God isn't bound by the rules he sets us! He can kill as much as he likes.

Oh yes, and it had to be him. He had to sacrifice himself, to himself, to save humanity from something he himself inflicted upon them, and that is the only way he could do it. He couldn't say "I forgive you" if they apologized without first letting himself be killed first so... because it's not like he's God and can do what he wants. Unless it involves killing people. He can do that ok without being evil or anything.

There are so many inaccuracies in here that if I attempted to address them each we would be here forever.

[Umikai]

did you mean "that"? and it's not a thought experiment, she knows everything, so there isn't anything left for her to learn.

Now i'm thoroughly convinced you have no idea what you are talking about.

The problem is that you're assuming there are unknowns. If you could get off your high horse and realize you're not that clever, you could be able to realize that for God there are not two sets of information, known ad unknown, but one set- known.