Does God Exist?

[Ostroeuropa]

She isn't a good writer.
She's just a better writer with a better grasp of plot, pacing, and how to tell a story than the bible writers.

I liked her books.

She's good at plot and character. I just take issue with her ability to describe things. She repeats her word uses a bit too much. If you can ignore that kind of thing it's fine.

[The Rich Port]

I liked her books.

She's good at plot and character. I just take issue with her ability to describe things. She repeats her word uses a bit too much. If you can ignore that kind of thing it's fine.

I think that's more because she writes for kids and teenagers.

They get lost if you use too many different words. I think.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because they always exist. And if they don't, you cannot be sure they don't. It's an impossibility to know about things you don't know about, it's incoherent etc.
I believe it does, yes. And if not, then he cannot be Omnipotent either. Want me to take on Omnipresence?

Why -> Because. Nice. I cant be sure that they don't, but God can. Sorry, am I Godmodding? Oh wait... And of course he can't know about things he doesn't know about- because he knows everything. Why? God's Omniscient.
Well whatever, I doubt it but the burden of proof is on you. Go ahead, it's only 2:21 am xD

Your posistion is that god knows about things he doesn't know about.
That's incoherent. It's a logical impossibility, A is not A.
"Why is A always A?" Because it is. Yes. It really is just because of that. Because it cannot be anything BUT A.

[Umikai]

It's all true, regardless of facts.

Alright, this just got easier.
Now, explain these to me
1)It is estamited that if the bible is correct, 1.2 million slaves moved out of Egypt at once.
Explain how Egypt didn't crumble under such a large loss of free labor.
2)On Noah's ark http://reports.ncse.com/index.php/rncse ... view/44/36
3) Kindly explain how we got 2 of every animal on a ship smaller than the titanic.,

I just said facts don't matter- it's the message and the purpose of the book that matter, it's taking a leap of faith and believing in the truth- that God exists.

[Ostroeuropa]

Alright, this just got easier.
Now, explain these to me
1)It is estamited that if the bible is correct, 1.2 million slaves moved out of Egypt at once.
Explain how Egypt didn't crumble under such a large loss of free labor.
2)On Noah's ark http://reports.ncse.com/index.php/rncse ... view/44/36
3) Kindly explain how we got 2 of every animal on a ship smaller than the titanic.,

I just said facts don't matter- it's the message and the purpose of the book that matter, it's taking a leap of faith and believing in the truth- that God exists.

Can you name any other situation where disregard for facts has ever led someone to the truth.

[Umikai]

Why -> Because. Nice. I cant be sure that they don't, but God can. Sorry, am I Godmodding? Oh wait... And of course he can't know about things he doesn't know about- because he knows everything. Why? God's Omniscient.
Well whatever, I doubt it but the burden of proof is on you. Go ahead, it's only 2:21 am xD

Your posistion is that god knows about things he doesn't know about.
That's incoherent. It's a logical impossibility, A is not A.
"Why is A always A?" Because it is. Yes. It really is just because of that. Because it cannot be anything BUT A.

That's not my position...
Me:"he can't know about things he doesn't know about"
You:"Your posistion is that god knows about things he doesn't know about."

[The Rich Port]

Alright, this just got easier.
Now, explain these to me
1)It is estamited that if the bible is correct, 1.2 million slaves moved out of Egypt at once.
Explain how Egypt didn't crumble under such a large loss of free labor.
2)On Noah's ark http://reports.ncse.com/index.php/rncse ... view/44/36
3) Kindly explain how we got 2 of every animal on a ship smaller than the titanic.,

I just said facts don't matter- it's the message and the purpose of the book that matter, it's taking a leap of faith and believing in the truth- that God exists.

Oh isn't that lovely. The Bible is a work of fiction, then.

Go read a book that isn't the Bible or fiction.

[New Libertarian States]

Alright, this just got easier.
Now, explain these to me
1)It is estamited that if the bible is correct, 1.2 million slaves moved out of Egypt at once.
Explain how Egypt didn't crumble under such a large loss of free labor.
2)On Noah's ark http://reports.ncse.com/index.php/rncse ... view/44/36
3) Kindly explain how we got 2 of every animal on a ship smaller than the titanic.,

I just said facts don't matter- it's the message and the purpose of the book that matter, it's taking a leap of faith and believing in the truth- that God exists.

You said it's true, yet dosent require facts.
That dosent make sense.
It isn't that hard to believe a magic man in the sky controls everything. It's fairly easy to have faith, it's harder to question and find out what's actually happening.

[Ostroeuropa]

"I'm omniscient."
"How do you know that?"
"Because I am."
"What if there is something you don't know you don't know about? Caeser doesn't know he doesn't know anything about nuclear thermodynamics."
Is the summed up version.

[Genivaria]

She.

That's how irrelevant she is.

'Irrelevant' is not the word I'd use to describe one of the best selling authors.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why -> Because. Nice. I cant be sure that they don't, but God can. Sorry, am I Godmodding? Oh wait... And of course he can't know about things he doesn't know about- because he knows everything. Why? God's Omniscient.
Well whatever, I doubt it but the burden of proof is on you. Go ahead, it's only 2:21 am xD

Your posistion is that god knows about things he doesn't know about.
That's incoherent. It's a logical impossibility, A is not A.
"Why is A always A?" Because it is. Yes. It really is just because of that. Because it cannot be anything BUT A.

But A can sometimes be B in reality and we just think it is A because subjectivity.

Therefore, how do you really know A is A when A could be B for someone else?

[Ostroeuropa]

Your posistion is that god knows about things he doesn't know about.
That's incoherent. It's a logical impossibility, A is not A.
"Why is A always A?" Because it is. Yes. It really is just because of that. Because it cannot be anything BUT A.

That's not my position...
Me:"he can't know about things he doesn't know about"
You:"Your posistion is that god knows about things he doesn't know about."

So you admit he cannot be omniscient.

[Ostroeuropa]

Your posistion is that god knows about things he doesn't know about.
That's incoherent. It's a logical impossibility, A is not A.
"Why is A always A?" Because it is. Yes. It really is just because of that. Because it cannot be anything BUT A.

But A can sometimes be B in reality and we just think it is A because subjectivity.

Therefore, how do you really know A is A when A could be B for someone else?

You'd be thrown out of a class on philosophy for suggesting A is not A and sent back to kindegarten math class. If there is such a thing.
When discussing objective reality, subjectivity is irrelevant.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's how irrelevant she is.

'Irrelevant' is not the word I'd use to describe one of the best selling authors.

There are many best-sellers, yet most of them I find irrelevant.

It isn't how much they sell what captures me. I am sure you would say 50 shades of grey is a good novel simply because it is a best seller while I think it's not and it is the most irrelevant book in the world because I don't like it.

[Umikai]

I just said facts don't matter- it's the message and the purpose of the book that matter, it's taking a leap of faith and believing in the truth- that God exists.

Can you name any other situation where disregard for facts has ever led someone to the truth.

How about any metaphor ever (or simile, whatever)? Poetry? Any time meaning is derived from a fictional story?

[Genivaria]

I just said facts don't matter- it's the message and the purpose of the book that matter, it's taking a leap of faith and believing in the truth- that God exists.

Can you name any other situation where disregard for facts has ever led someone to the truth.

To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead. -- Thomas Paine

[Ostroeuropa]

Can you name any other situation where disregard for facts has ever led someone to the truth.

How about any metaphor ever (or simile, whatever)? Poetry? Any time meaning is derived from a fictional story?

Gibberish.
In those cases, facts are not disregard. Give an actual example other than god where facts have been disregarded.

[Genivaria]

'Irrelevant' is not the word I'd use to describe one of the best selling authors.

There are many best-sellers, yet most of them I find irrelevant.

It isn't how much they sell what captures me. I am sure you would say 50 shades of grey is a good novel simply because it is a best seller while I think it's not and it is the most irrelevant book in the world because I don't like it.

I've no idea why you would think that, relevance is not the same as quality. The fact that I think the HP series has both doesn't mean I believe the same of every other popular book.

[New Libertarian States]

Can you name any other situation where disregard for facts has ever led someone to the truth.

How about any metaphor ever (or simile, whatever)? Poetry? Any time meaning is derived from a fictional story?

Metaphors don't disregard facts.
They at least arrive at a fact, or do not dismiss them.

[Ostroeuropa]

Can you name any other situation where disregard for facts has ever led someone to the truth.

To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead. -- Thomas Paine

Consider it the equivalent of holding a mirror under the nose to check for breath before I totally give up.

[Umikai]

That's not my position...
Me:"he can't know about things he doesn't know about"
You:"Your posistion is that god knows about things he doesn't know about."

So you admit he cannot be omniscient.

"he can't know about things he doesn't know about- because he knows everything."
He's omniscient therefore he can't know about things he doesn't know about, because those things don't exist, there isn't anything else for him to know about.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you admit he cannot be omniscient.

"he can't know about things he doesn't know about- because he knows everything."
He's omniscient therefore he can't know about things he doesn't know about, because those things don't exist, there isn't anything else for him to know about.

I realize these concepts are difficult, but I've already explained to you why this is impossible. I do sympathize, really. But you are wrong. I have already addressed this above.

"I'm omniscient."
"How do you know that?"
"Because I am."
"What if there is something you don't know you don't know about? Caeser doesn't know he doesn't know anything about nuclear thermodynamics."
Is the summed up version.

God cannot know his own version of nuclear thermodynamics doesn't exist.
The possibility of an unknown unknown existing is always there.
The fact it's a possibility, makes the certainty of ones omniscience an unknown.

[Genivaria]

To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead. -- Thomas Paine

Consider it the equivalent of holding a mirror under the nose to check for breath before I totally give up.

As you wish.

[Umikai]

I just said facts don't matter- it's the message and the purpose of the book that matter, it's taking a leap of faith and believing in the truth- that God exists.

You said it's true, yet dosent require facts.
That dosent make sense.
It isn't that hard to believe a magic man in the sky controls everything. It's fairly easy to have faith, it's harder to question and find out what's actually happening.

"That dosent make sense. " except when it does, haven't you ever had a gut feeling?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

But A can sometimes be B in reality and we just think it is A because subjectivity.

Therefore, how do you really know A is A when A could be B for someone else?

You'd be thrown out of a class on philosophy for suggesting A is not A and sent back to kindegarten math class. If there is such a thing.
When discussing objective reality, subjectivity is irrelevant.

Oh but subjectivity is relevant when discussing things such as objectivity. Because humans can only achieve a degree of objectivity. As humans with inherent biases we have no basis of objectivity. Facts are interpreted subjectively as good or bad. The existence of something or lack of existence is also merely subjective because objectivity is hard to accomplish. You may be able to check your biases, but it still doesn't take away from you the fact you are merely looking at things from your perspective and your perspective alone, thus A may not always be A when you only know A is A but you don't know is A is B for someone else.