Does God Exist?

[Umikai]

Thanks for that fabulous childhood memory, that categorizes all Christians off of one experience.
So you know how fundamental forces work? Please, do tell.

Doesn't stop you from believing what your pastor says on good faith. That's hearsay too.

As a matter of fact, I don't. You'll have to ask someone else. I suck at math. I'm good with evolution.

By the legal definition, that is heresy. Does that make it less true for me?
Suck at math? Ask someone else? the point is that we, humanity, have no idea how these forces work, we have equations that describe them, but we don't know why those equations work.

[New Libertarian States]

No, I'm not dismissing how hard it is.
But, leaving people to die is different then not being able to treat them.
I never said she was heartless or a bitch, where did you get that from?
Cool, she starved, that dosent dismiss what she did.
Neither article writers stepped foot in Calcutta.
One did research it though.
Any who, this is way off topic.
It's not relevant to this.
If you'd like to discuss it further, fell free to Tg me.
Otherwise, lets both get on topic.

I talked with these nuns bub. I met her (Teresa's) Sisters of Charity and visited their places. And these Nuns are having a hard time just to make ends meet. So what if you have Millions of Dollars in donations? It's still not enough in maintaining hundreds of Hospitals around the world.

Also, why do you say that she allows people to die? Do you think they enjoy letting people die? 1 Sister recently cried because they where not able to save a little girl dying of Leukemia. They barely, even sleep, eat and drink and in addition to their vows of Chastity, Poverty and Obedience, they also have to deal with everyday stress and then all you stupid atheists from the rich and irreligious west keep attacking and accusing these poor religious people as evil, loony or insensitive while you criticize in the comfort of your own desktop. Spitting on the legacy of a pious woman when I can see them here, in my country making a big difference.

It's totally unlike your selfish and blasphemous ilk.

Lets, AGAIN, get on topic.
And look, a wild Ad Hominem appeared.
If you'd like to get any responses from me, discuss the over TG..

[Umikai]

My God is the God of the Bible. Your turn: disprove him.

Alrighty.
Now, in your opinion, do you believe stories such as Noah's ark and The Exodus are correct?

Maybe not completely factually, but there is truth in them.

[Ostroeuropa]

Alrighty.
Now, in your opinion, do you believe stories such as Noah's ark and The Exodus are correct?

Maybe not completely factually, but there is truth in them.

Where?

[Ostroeuropa]

Isn't it interesting that God decided to make J.K Rowling a better writer than he is.

[The Rich Port]

Doesn't stop you from believing what your pastor says on good faith. That's hearsay too.

As a matter of fact, I don't. You'll have to ask someone else. I suck at math. I'm good with evolution.

By the legal definition, that is heresy. Does that make it less true for me?
Suck at math? Ask someone else? the point is that we, humanity, have no idea how these forces work, we have equations that describe them, but we don't know why those equations work.

... I don't think heresy is a crime anymore in the U.S.

If you asked a mathematician, he could probably explain it to you.

[New Libertarian States]

Alrighty.
Now, in your opinion, do you believe stories such as Noah's ark and The Exodus are correct?

Maybe not completely factually, but there is truth in them.

Ok.
Which pieces, in your opinion, are true, and which are not?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

There is always the possibility of said unknown unknown being known through another agent which is in itself a known unknown, therefore not only unknown unknowns can be known but also studied and analyzed as time passes.

And as far as Christian Philosophy goes, God resembles more of a singularity than an omnipresent agent.

God cannot possess known unknowns. He is only capable of possessing Known Knowns.
Otherwise, he isn't omniscient.

Known knowns are only known if you have absolute control over everything.

This isn't the case with human nature, as he gave us free will, therefore making us a known unknown, since he doesn't know what we will do, but also would know what each of the decisions' future outcomes would be.

Therefore God is not an omniscient entity since we have the power to fuck his predictions.

^ this is a better proof than the "unknown unknowns". Human nature disproves God's omniscience.

[Umikai]

Sorry, i misread something a while ago, anyways:
Omniscience is obviously impossible on a human level, but how is it disproved for God? We can't know everything, and he can- get it?

No, he can't. I've already explained why it is impossible to know everything for ANY entity.
Caeaser does not know he doesn't know about Nuclear Thermodynamics.

God could not know that there isn't his own unknown unknown.
Otherwise it would be a known unknown.
And there is always the possibility of unknown unknowns existing.

But why do unknown unknowns have to exist for God?
Also, does it say in the bible that God is Omniscient?

[Umikai]

Maybe not completely factually, but there is truth in them.

Ok.
Which pieces, in your opinion, are true, and which are not?

It's all true, regardless of facts.

[The Rich Port]

Isn't it interesting that God decided to make J.K Rowling a better writer than he is.

Nope. I think J.K. Rowling sucks too. Smug bitch.

Then again... I think that's God's joke on us.

Or is that your joke on me?

Are you real? Am I?

Is this you, John Wayne? Is this me?

[Umikai]

Isn't it interesting that God decided to make J.K Rowling a better writer than he is.

Stop being a troll.
Or being stupid and thinking God physically wrote a book.
Or stop thinking J.K Rowling is a good writer.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, he can't. I've already explained why it is impossible to know everything for ANY entity.
Caeaser does not know he doesn't know about Nuclear Thermodynamics.

God could not know that there isn't his own unknown unknown.
Otherwise it would be a known unknown.
And there is always the possibility of unknown unknowns existing.

But why do unknown unknowns have to exist for God?
Also, does it say in the bible that God is Omniscient?

Because they always exist. And if they don't, you cannot be sure they don't. It's an impossibility to know about things you don't know about, it's incoherent etc.
I believe it does, yes. And if not, then he cannot be Omnipotent either. Want me to take on Omnipresence?

[Ostroeuropa]

Isn't it interesting that God decided to make J.K Rowling a better writer than he is.

Stop being a troll.
Or being stupid and thinking God physically wrote a book.
Or stop thinking J.K Rowling is a good writer.

She isn't a good writer.
She's just a better writer with a better grasp of plot, pacing, and how to tell a story than the bible writers.

[Genivaria]

But why do unknown unknowns have to exist for God?
Also, does it say in the bible that God is Omniscient?

Because they always exist. And if they don't, you cannot be sure they don't. It's an impossibility to know about things you don't know about, it's incoherent etc.
I believe it does, yes. And if not, then he cannot be Omnipotent either. Want me to take on Omnipresence?

You amaze me sometimes Ostro you really do, you also make my head hurt.

[ARYAN EMP]

First we have to understand what is meant by God

Majority of the people think God is a human being and God possesses human like qualities for example- wrath, happiness, sorrow, pain etc. and hence the result of your voting

According to me, and infering from my daily life and my religion, God certainly exists and perhaps God is beyond existence

In HINDUISM (do not have any misconception that it is a polytheist religion, Hindus believe in One Supreme Spirit but divide it into different aspects of Eternal power}, God is perceived as the one who spans the conscience of innumerable universes and from god creation takes place along with destruction through Eternal time(as in the Holy Vedas)

God is perceived as formless, wrathless, painless, have no attachment to anything, God is in Supreme Bliss and every creature inhabiting his conscience is God's eternal children.

You do not have to search for God, or prove his existence because God dwells within you
For example- When you see a needy person, who tries to earn a living by any fair means but cannot fulfill himelf, you try to help and make his soul happy. After you helped him you will feel happiness which is nothing but Bliss and that is why the Veda says "Tat Svam Asi" or "Thou Art That" or "God is in You"

Hinduism emphasizes on Karma(daily deeds), Dharma(eternal Rule)
It says that true worship to God is to help the needy, protect Truth, and protest against th wrongdoers and protect Dharma

Now as far as the Atheists are concerned, they are unknowingly following what God has asked us to do. 1.An Atheist never depends on the Eternal Lord and executes work by himself(the defining rule of Karma}
2. An Atheist Questions about God and tries to know God by himself and does not depend on any written scriptures.
3. An Atheist questions the scriptures and infers from his own life incidents

These three points all lead to the path of enlightenment of a creature about the Eternal Lord

[New Libertarian States]

Ok.
Which pieces, in your opinion, are true, and which are not?

It's all true, regardless of facts.

Alright, this just got easier.
Now, explain these to me
1)It is estamited that if the bible is correct, 1.2 million slaves moved out of Egypt at once.
Explain how Egypt didn't crumble under such a large loss of free labor.
2)On Noah's ark http://reports.ncse.com/index.php/rncse ... view/44/36
3) Kindly explain how we got 2 of every animal on a ship smaller than the titanic.,

[The Islands of Metanoia]

I talked with these nuns bub. I met her (Teresa's) Sisters of Charity and visited their places. And these Nuns are having a hard time just to make ends meet. So what if you have Millions of Dollars in donations? It's still not enough in maintaining hundreds of Hospitals around the world.

Also, why do you say that she allows people to die? Do you think they enjoy letting people die? 1 Sister recently cried because they where not able to save a little girl dying of Leukemia. They barely, even sleep, eat and drink and in addition to their vows of Chastity, Poverty and Obedience, they also have to deal with everyday stress and then all you stupid atheists from the rich and irreligious west keep attacking and accusing these poor religious people as evil, loony or insensitive while you criticize in the comfort of your own desktop. Spitting on the legacy of a pious woman when I can see them here, in my country making a big difference.

It's totally unlike your selfish and blasphemous ilk.

Lets, AGAIN, get on topic.
And look, a wild Ad Hominem appeared.
If you'd like to get any responses from me, discuss the over TG..

OK. I stand by my original assertion that even if Atheists denies the existence of God, we people who believe in God will make sure that the concept of God will be felt in society whether you like it or not. And even if you deny God in your mind, you will encounter him in them and in me, incarnate in reality, through us.

Remember that: when the Judge makes you swear upon the Bible at court, when the Cross symbol is flashed upon your next visit to the Hospital or when the Salvation Army asks you for donations to help the children in Africa and Asia.

I'm just being real, I'm just trying to bring down people's intellectual barriers.

~Pax Te Cum

[Sarkisyan]

I'm not an agnostic, but truth is, we'll never know. Our universe has multiple surprises and things that don't make sense to us, so the idea of a higher power is possible. That said, I doubt said higher power is the God from Abrahamic religions.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Isn't it interesting that God decided to make J.K Rowling a better writer than he is.

Stop being a troll.
Or being stupid and thinking God physically wrote a book.
Or stop thinking J.K Rowling is a good writer.

Out of all things, I agree with this.

JK Rowling is a shit writer. She isn't even relevant in my book collection.

[Genivaria]

Stop being a troll.
Or being stupid and thinking God physically wrote a book.
Or stop thinking J.K Rowling is a good writer.

She isn't a good writer.
She's just a better writer with a better grasp of plot, pacing, and how to tell a story than the bible writers.

I liked her books.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because they always exist. And if they don't, you cannot be sure they don't. It's an impossibility to know about things you don't know about, it's incoherent etc.
I believe it does, yes. And if not, then he cannot be Omnipotent either. Want me to take on Omnipresence?

You amaze me sometimes Ostro you really do, you also make my head hurt.

I'm just parroting things right now. It's not as though i've made contributions to these arguments, I just know them. But thanks.

[Genivaria]

Stop being a troll.
Or being stupid and thinking God physically wrote a book.
Or stop thinking J.K Rowling is a good writer.

Out of all things, I agree with this.

JK Rowling is a shit writer. He isn't even relevant in my book collection.

She.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Out of all things, I agree with this.

JK Rowling is a shit writer. He isn't even relevant in my book collection.

She.

That's how irrelevant she is.

[Umikai]

But why do unknown unknowns have to exist for God?
Also, does it say in the bible that God is Omniscient?

Because they always exist. And if they don't, you cannot be sure they don't. It's an impossibility to know about things you don't know about, it's incoherent etc.
I believe it does, yes. And if not, then he cannot be Omnipotent either. Want me to take on Omnipresence?

Why -> Because. Nice. I cant be sure that they don't, but God can. Sorry, am I Godmodding? Oh wait... And of course he can't know about things he doesn't know about- because he knows everything. Why? God's Omniscient.
Well whatever, I doubt it but the burden of proof is on you. Go ahead, it's only 2:21 am xD