Holocaust Denial

[Shofercia]

Ohhh man, you so edgy with that phenomenal strawman. So damn edgy. Like the Edge. That's how edgy you are.

So by being disgusted that Soviet soldiers would go as far as to rape Russian women, who had been captured and sent to work camps by the Nazis, I'm being edgy?

No, by bitching about the Red Army in a Holocaust thread, and not saying anything of substance whatsoever that discusses the thread's OP in any way, shape or form, you're being "edgy". How you don't comprehend that, is, quite frankly, beyond me.

[Shofercia]

My example was an example of the Red Army not being saints. Now, if he raped the cropse of the guy he got the watch from....

Or, he could've gone, "oh hey, Nazi POW has watch, he won't need it, I'll take it", without the whole rape part. What happened to innocent before guilty?

Also, you responded to a post that was about to derail the thread. For someone bitching about how his own threads getting derailed, that's not very kosher of you Drako. Samo's reply to you was perfectly justified.

[DrakoBlaria]

My example was an example of the Red Army not being saints. Now, if he raped the cropse of the guy he got the watch from....

Or, he could've gone, "oh hey, Nazi POW has watch, he won't need it, I'll take it", without the whole rape part. What happened to innocent before guilty?

Also, you responded to a post that was about to derail the thread. For someone bitching about how his own threads getting derailed, that's not very kosher of you Drako. Samo's reply to you was perfectly justified.

When did I do that? And come on mate, dont get so protective.... it is cool, watches are fine

[Shofercia]

Or, he could've gone, "oh hey, Nazi POW has watch, he won't need it, I'll take it", without the whole rape part. What happened to innocent before guilty?

Also, you responded to a post that was about to derail the thread. For someone bitching about how his own threads getting derailed, that's not very kosher of you Drako. Samo's reply to you was perfectly justified.

When did I do that? And come on mate, dont get so protective.... it is cool, watches are fine

Me: No. When you try to wipe out an entire race/ethnicity, you're committing a crime against everyone of said race/ethnicity. This doesn't hold true for every human rights violation that takes place.
You: So, do you hold the same views on the Greek/Armenian/Assyiran genocide?
Me: In those specific locations, yes. For instance, I'm ok with Armenia passing a law saying that it's a crime to deny the Armenian Genocide.
Samo: Yes, because those are genocides.

See the context there? Those are all in context, of Genocide vs not Genocide. Now, let's look at the other ones:

You: Would you say the same to anyone who denies the crimes the Red Army commited against... let us say Ukranians?
Me: Considering that the Red Army also saved Ukrainians from Hitler's wrath, and that quite a few Ukrainians served in the Red Army...
Derailer: Not to mention they raped half of Europe...

See, now he's talking about something different. Rape, as every sane person knows or should know, isn't Genocide. Yet you respond to derailer:

You: And dont forget that the dude who raised the Soviet flag in Berlin (that epic picture) is said to have had 2 watches on his hands....

Now in that context, you're very clearly implying something about rape. So Samo calls you out on it:

Samo: I own two watches. I didn't butcher a German and rape his wife and daughter for either.
You: Oh come on, you know this is not what I meant
Samo: Given what you quoted to post that reply, that would appear to be exactly what you inferred.

I gotta agree with him Drako. You made a poor post, and got called out on it. Admit your mistake, and move on.

[DrakoBlaria]

Jesus, I thought we were talking about Soviet crimes not soviet rapes.... Gwad.

[Shofercia]

Jesus, I thought we were talking about Soviet crimes not soviet rapes.... Gwad.

Soviet rapes are Soviet crimes. But we weren't talking about all Soviet crimes, imagined or real. We were talking about Genocides, and not even Soviet ones. If confused, it helps to stay on topic

[Blakk Metal]

The problem with denying things like the Holocaust, is that those who deny it, do so to insult those who lived through it and suffered through it. It's Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress on a massive scale. That's why I have no issues with Holocaust Denial being banned in countries where the Holocaust took place. No one should live through Hitler-style rhetoric twice, especially after surviving a death camp. It contributes nothing to society, it's just trolling.

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

[New haven america]

The Middle East, that is all.

[Shofercia]

The problem with denying things like the Holocaust, is that those who deny it, do so to insult those who lived through it and suffered through it. It's Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress on a massive scale. That's why I have no issues with Holocaust Denial being banned in countries where the Holocaust took place. No one should live through Hitler-style rhetoric twice, especially after surviving a death camp. It contributes nothing to society, it's just trolling.

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

Nope, since Ted Bundy didn't commit Genocide. That said, if you did that, and I saw an angry mob trying to burn down your house, I'd just sit back, relax, and eat bon-bons.

[Benuty]

The problem with denying things like the Holocaust, is that those who deny it, do so to insult those who lived through it and suffered through it. It's Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress on a massive scale. That's why I have no issues with Holocaust Denial being banned in countries where the Holocaust took place. No one should live through Hitler-style rhetoric twice, especially after surviving a death camp. It contributes nothing to society, it's just trolling.

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

Since when did Ted Bundy kill 250 million people?

[Lemanrussland]

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

Since when did Ted Bundy kill 250 million people?

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[Libertarian California]

The problem with denying things like the Holocaust, is that those who deny it, do so to insult those who lived through it and suffered through it. It's Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress on a massive scale. That's why I have no issues with Holocaust Denial being banned in countries where the Holocaust took place. No one should live through Hitler-style rhetoric twice, especially after surviving a death camp. It contributes nothing to society, it's just trolling.

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

I'd tune in.

[Shofercia]

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

I'd tune in.

You enjoy hearing stories of rapists and murderers?

[Blakk Metal]

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

Nope, since Ted Bundy didn't commit Genocide. That said, if you did that, and I saw an angry mob trying to burn down your house, I'd just sit back, relax, and eat bon-bons.

He was, however, dubiously convicted of killing a 12 year old girl in that city, and was widely hated for it.

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

I'd tune in.

But you don't live in northern Florida.

I'd tune in.

You enjoy hearing stories of rapists and murderers?

An offensive statement every few seconds is not a story.

[Shofercia]

Nope, since Ted Bundy didn't commit Genocide. That said, if you did that, and I saw an angry mob trying to burn down your house, I'd just sit back, relax, and eat bon-bons.

He was, however, dubiously convicted of killing a 12 year old girl in that city, and was widely hated for it.

I'm sure that her mom can get a restraining order against him coming anywhere near her, and saying anything. The problem with Genocide, is that you'd need too many restraining orders, ergo Holocaust Denial is banned in countries where the Holocaust took place.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

So I should be arrested if I bought out every radio station in Lake City and broadcast "Ted Bundy rocks!" from 6 AM to 10 PM and "Fuck yeah, Ted Bundy!" from 10 PM to 6 AM.

Since when did Ted Bundy kill 250 million people?

And this figure is the result of..?

[Agritum]

Since when did Ted Bundy kill 250 million people?

And this figure is the result of..?

...I mean, the entirety of WW2 casualties are 'only' 60 million people.

[Mkuki]

It shouldn't be illegal. Free speech, and all that it entails, helps guarantee a free state and a free society.

I don't see how trying to debase and not learn from the mistakes and failures of non-free states helps ensure the continued freedom of free states.

How can you have a free state when you ban a certain viewpoint from being spoken?

[Hathradic States]

It's dumb to deny it, but you can't ban stupidity.

And it is rather offensive to those who had family involved in it (no matter which side they were involved on)

[Benuty]

Since when did Ted Bundy kill 250 million people?

And this figure is the result of..?

This little thing called "Democide" happens to be quite real
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

[New Chitzeland]

If it wasn't a genocide, it was at the very least a crime against humanity.

That's what it boils down to. Genocide implies a deliberate attempt to eliminate a race, ethnic group, or some other class of people.

The reason so many people died under Stalin was because of an extremely totalitarian government and shitty economic planning. Tragic? Yes. Wrong? Yes. But not the same as a genocide.

Ignoring, of course, the fact that Stalin spent day and night with a check board of all the names of people in the Ukraine, putting a check by random names he didn't like to have them executed.

[Grave_n_idle]

It's dumb to deny it, but you can't ban stupidity.

I don't see why it's special. Some people deny the holocaust, some deny global climate change, some deny evolution. They're equally stupid and unsupportable positions, but only one of them is socially unacceptable.

[Quiet-Riot]

It shouldn't be illegal.

[New Chitzeland]

It's dumb to deny it, but you can't ban stupidity.

I don't see why it's special. Some people deny the holocaust, some deny global climate change, some deny evolution. They're equally stupid and unsupportable positions, but only one of them is socially unacceptable.

Hijacking briefly, I'm not entirely sure that anyone of sound mind disbelieves in climate change. I do believe, however, that there is a great disparity in the views on that changes cause.

[New Sapienta]

If it wasn't a genocide, it was at the very least a crime against humanity.

That's what it boils down to. Genocide implies a deliberate attempt to eliminate a race, ethnic group, or some other class of people.

The reason so many people died under Stalin was because of an extremely totalitarian government and shitty economic planning. Tragic? Yes. Wrong? Yes. But not the same as a genocide.

Considering specific ethnicities were targeted more than others, I would say it isn't ridiculous to call it a genocide.