Sweden most feminine country - how to reverse the trend?

[Knask]

Sweden is by some considered to be the most feminine country in the world, and the latest news from what Assange famously described as the "Saudi Arabia of feminism" is that male train drivers in Sweden are forced to wear skirts during warm summer days.

"Our thinking is that one should look decent and proper when representing Arriva and the present uniforms do that. If the man only wants [to wear] a skirt then that is OK," Arriva communications manager Tomas Hedenius told the paper.

"To tell them to do something else would be discrimination."

Driver Martin Akersten told the BBC he and his colleagues came up with the idea to wear skirts after they were informed of the new company dress code in the winter.

"We have always said that when summer comes, we will get some skirts and wear them. It's very warm weather here so we would like to wear shorts but if we can't then we have skirts for comfort".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22828150

Dutch researcher Geert Hofstede ranks Sweden at the top of his list

Key differences between feminine and masculine societies.

I: general norm, family, school, and workplace

Top is Feminine
Bottom is Masculine

1.
Dominant values in society are caring for others and preservation

Dominant values in society are material success and progress

2.
People and warm relationships are important

Money and things are important

3.
Everybody is supposed to be modest

Men are supposed to be assertive, ambitious, and tough

4.
Both men and women are allowed to be tender and to be concerned with relationships

Women are supposed to be tender and to take care of relationships

5.
In the family, both fathers and mothers deal with facts and feelings

In the family, fathers deal with facts and mothers with feelings

6.
Both boys and girls are allowed to cry but neither should fight

Girls cry, boys don't; boys should fight back when attacked, girls shouldn't fight

7.
Sympathy for the weak

Sympathy for the strong

8.
Average student is the norm

Best student is the norm

9.
Failing in school is a minor accident

Failing in school is a disaster

10.
Friendliness in teachers appreciated

Brilliance in teachers appreciated

11.
Boys and girls study same subjects

Boys and girls study different subjects

12.
Work in order to live

Live in order to work

13.
Managers use intuition and strive for consensus

Managers expected to be decisive and assertive

14.
Stress on equality, solidarity, and quality of work life

Stress on equity, competition among colleagues, and performance

15.
Resolution of conflicts by compromise and negotiation

Resolution of conflicts by fighting them out

---

II: politics and ideas

Feminine
Masculine

1.
Welfare society ideal

Performance society ideal

2.
The needy should be helped

The strong should be supported

3.
Permissive society

Corrective society

4.
Small and slow are beautiful

Big and fast are beautiful

5.
Preservation of the environment should have highest priority

Maintenance of economic growth should have highest priority

6.
Government spends relatively large proportion of budget on development assistance to poor countries

Government spends relatively small proportion of budget on development assistance to poor countries

7.
Government spends relatively small proportion of budget on armaments

Government spends relatively large proportion of budget on armaments

8.
International conflicts should be resolved by negotiation and compromise

International conflicts should be resolved by a show of strength or by fighting

9.
A relatively large number of women in elected political positions

A relatively small number of women in elected political positions

10.
Dominant religions stress the complementarity of the sexes

Dominant religions stress the male prerogative

11.
Women's liberation means that men and women should take equal shares both at home and at work

Women's liberation means that women will be admitted to positions hitherto only occupied by men

---

I'm stumped, so I turn to NSG. How can a society reverse the process of feminization and return to more masculine values? How can Sweden become more like Japan?

[Divair]

For those who don't understand the context: A train company banned drivers from wearing shorts despite very high temperatures, so the men decided to wear skirts as a protest.

[Petrovsegratsk]

K, I'll just add Sweden to the list of countries I never want to visit.

I mean, if I wanted to see men with skirts, I'd go to Scotland...

[Divair]

K, I'll just add Sweden to the list of countries I never want to visit.

Because train drivers are protesting an idiotic decision by management?


wat

[Aggicificicerous]

Sweden is by some considered to be the most feminine country in the world

So?

and the latest news from what Assange famously described as the "Saudi Arabia of feminism" is that male train drivers in Sweden are forced to wear skirts during warm summer days.

Read your own article. Nowhere are they forced to wear skirts, but if they want to, the company is ok with it.

Dutch researcher Geert Hofstede ranks Sweden at the top of his list
[spoiler]Key differences between feminine and masculine societies.

Scanning this list, it seems that Hofstede considers feminine societies far superior to masculine ones. What's the problem?

[NuerNeo]

And feminism is bad why?

[Bacopa]

For those who don't understand the context: A train company banned drivers from wearing shorts despite very high temperatures, so the men decided to wear skirts as a protest.

Yes, shorts were against the dress code, but women were allowed to wear skirts. The men started wearing skirts as a protest, then the company said it would be discrimination to stop them since women were allowed to wear skirts

[Divair]

For those who don't understand the context: A train company banned drivers from wearing shorts despite very high temperatures, so the men decided to wear skirts as a protest.

Yes, shorts were against the dress code, but women were allowed to wear skirts. The men started wearing skirts as a protest, then the company said it would be discrimination to stop them since women were allowed to wear skirts

Correct. OP is lying. Shame on you, OP.

[Agritum]

For those who don't understand the context: A train company banned drivers from wearing shorts despite very high temperatures, so the men decided to wear skirts as a protest.

This is epic.

[Ainin]

Your OP is very misleading...

[The Holy Therns]

I like how welfare is "feminine" apparently.

You're cute, OP. Keep going, I need a good laugh once in a while.

[Risottia]

...
Dutch researcher Geert Hofstede ranks Sweden at the top of his list

Key differences between feminine and masculine societies.

I: general norm, family, school, and workplace

Top is Feminine
Bottom is Masculine

1.
Dominant values in society are caring for others and preservation

Dominant values in society are material success and progress

2.
People and warm relationships are important

Money and things are important

3.
Everybody is supposed to be modest

Men are supposed to be assertive, ambitious, and tough

4.
Both men and women are allowed to be tender and to be concerned with relationships

Women are supposed to be tender and to take care of relationships

5.
In the family, both fathers and mothers deal with facts and feelings

In the family, fathers deal with facts and mothers with feelings

6.
Both boys and girls are allowed to cry but neither should fight

Girls cry, boys don't; boys should fight back when attacked, girls shouldn't fight

7.
Sympathy for the weak

Sympathy for the strong

8.
Average student is the norm

Best student is the norm

9.
Failing in school is a minor accident

Failing in school is a disaster

10.
Friendliness in teachers appreciated

Brilliance in teachers appreciated

11.
Boys and girls study same subjects

Boys and girls study different subjects

12.
Work in order to live

Live in order to work

13.
Managers use intuition and strive for consensus

Managers expected to be decisive and assertive

14.
Stress on equality, solidarity, and quality of work life

Stress on equity, competition among colleagues, and performance

15.
Resolution of conflicts by compromise and negotiation

Resolution of conflicts by fighting them out

---

II: politics and ideas

Feminine
Masculine

1.
Welfare society ideal

Performance society ideal

2.
The needy should be helped

The strong should be supported

3.
Permissive society

Corrective society

4.
Small and slow are beautiful

Big and fast are beautiful

5.
Preservation of the environment should have highest priority

Maintenance of economic growth should have highest priority

6.
Government spends relatively large proportion of budget on development assistance to poor countries

Government spends relatively small proportion of budget on development assistance to poor countries

7.
Government spends relatively small proportion of budget on armaments

Government spends relatively large proportion of budget on armaments

8.
International conflicts should be resolved by negotiation and compromise

International conflicts should be resolved by a show of strength or by fighting

9.
A relatively large number of women in elected political positions

A relatively small number of women in elected political positions

10.
Dominant religions stress the complementarity of the sexes

Dominant religions stress the male prerogative

11.
Women's liberation means that men and women should take equal shares both at home and at work

Women's liberation means that women will be admitted to positions hitherto only occupied by men

---

As rational person, I am APPALLED at the level of sexism shown by mr.Hofstede. The idea that someone can come up with such an amount of bullshit - and exclusively grounded on idiotic stereotypes to boot - and still be considered as a "researcher" is typical of a society founded on the false equivalence between "equal right to have an opinion" and "equal validity of all opinions". And as a male I feel INSULTED by the idea that "values" such as trampling whomever is perceived as weaker (because that's what mr.Hofstede says, basically) is labelled as a "masculine thing".

I'm not surprised, though, that this bit of such an alleged "research" is posted here. For, verily, NSG summer is upon us.

I'm stumped, so I turn to NSG. How can a society reverse the process of feminization and return to more masculine values? How can Sweden become more like Japan?

Why should Sweden become more like Japan in the first place? Just to have more suicides? More organized crime? Or criminal management for nuclear powerplants?

[Tsuntion]

Sweden is by some considered to be the most feminine country in the world,

So what?

Top is Feminine
Bottom is Masculine

3.
Everybody is supposed to be modest

Men are supposed to be assertive, ambitious, and tough

4.
Both men and women are allowed to be tender and to be concerned with relationships

Women are supposed to be tender and to take care of relationships

5.
In the family, both fathers and mothers deal with facts and feelings

In the family, fathers deal with facts and mothers with feelings

6.
Both boys and girls are allowed to cry but neither should fight

Girls cry, boys don't; boys should fight back when attacked, girls shouldn't fight

11.
Boys and girls study same subjects

Boys and girls study different subjects

Common equality is feminisation?

I'm stumped, so I turn to NSG. How can a society reverse the process of feminization and return to more masculine values? How can Sweden become more like Japan?

Why would you want to reverse this process? Looks like it's having great effects in Sweden.

[Risottia]

For those who don't understand the context: A train company banned drivers from wearing shorts despite very high temperatures, so the men decided to wear skirts as a protest.

This is epic.

The skirts they chose aren't manly enough, though.

[Desperate Measures]

Men in skirts are hot.

[The Sector Union]

Republicanize the nation, Tax lipstick and skirts, Impeach Woman.


EDIT: your thread is also a bit misleading. More about the bus drivers than the feminism. ffffuuu

[Risottia]

Republicanize the nation, Tax lipstick and skirts, Impeach Woman.

4.???
5.MANLY PROFIT!

[Transhuman Proteus]

Oh OP, you so silly with your complete misrepresentation of the situation as well as all the rest.

But I'll ask. First - Why is being a "feminine country" bad and thus something that should be reversed?

...
Dutch researcher Geert Hofstede ranks Sweden at the top of his list

Key differences between feminine and masculine societies.

I: general norm, family, school, and workplace

Top is Feminine
Bottom is Masculine

1.
Dominant values in society are caring for others and preservation

Dominant values in society are material success and progress

2.
People and warm relationships are important

Money and things are important

3.
Everybody is supposed to be modest

Men are supposed to be assertive, ambitious, and tough

4.
Both men and women are allowed to be tender and to be concerned with relationships

Women are supposed to be tender and to take care of relationships

5.
In the family, both fathers and mothers deal with facts and feelings

In the family, fathers deal with facts and mothers with feelings

6.
Both boys and girls are allowed to cry but neither should fight

Girls cry, boys don't; boys should fight back when attacked, girls shouldn't fight

7.
Sympathy for the weak

Sympathy for the strong

8.
Average student is the norm

Best student is the norm

9.
Failing in school is a minor accident

Failing in school is a disaster

10.
Friendliness in teachers appreciated

Brilliance in teachers appreciated

11.
Boys and girls study same subjects

Boys and girls study different subjects

12.
Work in order to live

Live in order to work

13.
Managers use intuition and strive for consensus

Managers expected to be decisive and assertive

14.
Stress on equality, solidarity, and quality of work life

Stress on equity, competition among colleagues, and performance

15.
Resolution of conflicts by compromise and negotiation

Resolution of conflicts by fighting them out

---

II: politics and ideas

Feminine
Masculine

1.
Welfare society ideal

Performance society ideal

2.
The needy should be helped

The strong should be supported

3.
Permissive society

Corrective society

4.
Small and slow are beautiful

Big and fast are beautiful

5.
Preservation of the environment should have highest priority

Maintenance of economic growth should have highest priority

6.
Government spends relatively large proportion of budget on development assistance to poor countries

Government spends relatively small proportion of budget on development assistance to poor countries

7.
Government spends relatively small proportion of budget on armaments

Government spends relatively large proportion of budget on armaments

8.
International conflicts should be resolved by negotiation and compromise

International conflicts should be resolved by a show of strength or by fighting

9.
A relatively large number of women in elected political positions

A relatively small number of women in elected political positions

10.
Dominant religions stress the complementarity of the sexes

Dominant religions stress the male prerogative

11.
Women's liberation means that men and women should take equal shares both at home and at work

Women's liberation means that women will be admitted to positions hitherto only occupied by men

---

As rational person, I am APPALLED at the level of sexism shown by mr.Hofstede. The idea that someone can come up with such an amount of bullshit - and exclusively grounded on idiotic stereotypes to boot - and still be considered as a "researcher" is typical of a society founded on the false equivalence between "equal right to have an opinion" and "equal validity of all opinions". And as a male I feel INSULTED by the idea that "values" such as trampling whomever is perceived as weaker (because that's what mr.Hofstede says, basically) is labelled as a "masculine thing".

I'm not surprised, though, that this bit of such an alleged "research" is posted here. For, verily, NSG summer is upon us.

Indeed.

[Gauthier]

K, I'll just add Sweden to the list of countries I never want to visit.

Because train drivers are protesting an idiotic decision by management?


wat

Because men wearing skirts as protests = Total Amazon Feminazi Domination, silly.

[Thanatttynia]

Well, what do you expect? This is where ABBA is from.
Meh, why should anyone listen to Assange, anyway?

[TaQud]

Isn't men wearing skirts for Scotland? (no offence)

[Knask]

Oh OP, you so silly with your completely misrepresentation of the situation as well as all the rest.

But I'll ask. First - Why is being a "feminine country" bad and thus something that should be reversed?

We should focus more on material success and progress, making money and striving for the best educational results, like in the US and in Japan.

[Thanatttynia]

Oh OP, you so silly with your completely misrepresentation of the situation as well as all the rest.

But I'll ask. First - Why is being a "feminine country" bad and thus something that should be reversed?

We should focus more on material success and progress, making money and striving for the best educational results, like in the US and in Japan.

Except the government isn't focusing on making Sweden a more feminine country.

[Bacopa]

Oh OP, you so silly with your completely misrepresentation of the situation as well as all the rest.

But I'll ask. First - Why is being a "feminine country" bad and thus something that should be reversed?

We should focus more on material success and progress, making money and striving for the best educational results, like in the US and in Japan.

The US focusing on educational results???

[TaQud]

best educational results, like in the US and in Japan.

education in the US is sucking right now. Have you ever seen those Exxon commercials?