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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:56 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
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Oh. That's cool.
Just wait 'til we start gifting our missiles around and see how Russia reacts.
Yo, Iraq, want some short-range ballistic missiles? Here ya go!



It would be acceptable to Russia. They don't give a damn; no Russians died.
Syrians died. Too many hits, and Syria might hit back (lolfully) at Israel. Any transgression on Israel causes "DAFUQ" reaction in Washington, who replies. This attracts Russia, who believes it was a setup to become involved and set up a puppet.

Suddenly, proxy warz.



I'd imagine Syria is a bit worse, actually.
Unless, you know, the economic troubles in Greece are equivalent to having a civil war waging all over your country for two years. If it is, what the fuck are the Greeks doing down there?


1. Iraq will only store them, they aren't going to use them against Syria;) Iraq actually supports the Syrian gouverment.

2. Greece is as good as bankrubt, Syria has a war by proxies. After that war (It does matter alot on how long its going to take) the country can be rebuild and the economy can quickly restore. Greece is just screwed with its economy, they will have a bad time for the coming 10/20 years.


Don't you think that us having a few missiles in Iraq would slightly piss off the Russians? I mean, for fucks' sake, they got pissed off back when Europe announced its anti-nuclear ballistic missile defense shield because it "lowered the effectiveness of our nuclear deterrence".

Dafuq, Russiabro.

Also, sauce for the Iraq-supports-Assad thing. Last I heard, they were letting Iran go through its airspace.

You really think Syria is going to be better in 10/20 years?

Greece - in its current position - still has a GDP (PPP) of U$280bn.
Syria - in its current position - has a GDP (PPP) of US$107.6bn.

Greece has a GDP (Nominal) of US$255bn.
Syria has a GDP (Nominal) of US$64bn.

So, no. Syria is not better off than Greece. You have an enormous misinterpretation of just how bad Syria is doing. This isn't something that they're gonna brush off rapidly, especially if the war continues.

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Postby Al-Quarra » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:03 am

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1. Iraq will only store them, they aren't going to use them against Syria;) Iraq actually supports the Syrian gouverment.

2. Greece is as good as bankrubt, Syria has a war by proxies. After that war (It does matter alot on how long its going to take) the country can be rebuild and the economy can quickly restore. Greece is just screwed with its economy, they will have a bad time for the coming 10/20 years.


Don't you think that us having a few missiles in Iraq would slightly piss off the Russians? I mean, for fucks' sake, they got pissed off back when Europe announced its anti-nuclear ballistic missile defense shield because it "lowered the effectiveness of our nuclear deterrence".

Dafuq, Russiabro.

Also, sauce for the Iraq-supports-Assad thing. Last I heard, they were letting Iran go through its airspace.

You really think Syria is going to be better in 10/20 years?

Greece - in its current position - still has a GDP (PPP) of U$280bn.
Syria - in its current position - has a GDP (PPP) of US$107.6bn.

Greece has a GDP (Nominal) of US$255bn.
Syria has a GDP (Nominal) of US$64bn.

So, no. Syria is not better off than Greece. You have an enormous misinterpretation of just how bad Syria is doing. This isn't something that they're gonna brush off rapidly, especially if the war continues.

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One simple thing you forget. Greece has a massive crisis, in wich they will stay for a long time, an economic crisis. Syria has no economic crisis, and for that they can quickly rebuild its economy, unlike Greece...

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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:05 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
Don't you think that us having a few missiles in Iraq would slightly piss off the Russians? I mean, for fucks' sake, they got pissed off back when Europe announced its anti-nuclear ballistic missile defense shield because it "lowered the effectiveness of our nuclear deterrence".

Dafuq, Russiabro.

Also, sauce for the Iraq-supports-Assad thing. Last I heard, they were letting Iran go through its airspace.

You really think Syria is going to be better in 10/20 years?

Greece - in its current position - still has a GDP (PPP) of U$280bn.
Syria - in its current position - has a GDP (PPP) of US$107.6bn.

Greece has a GDP (Nominal) of US$255bn.
Syria has a GDP (Nominal) of US$64bn.

So, no. Syria is not better off than Greece. You have an enormous misinterpretation of just how bad Syria is doing. This isn't something that they're gonna brush off rapidly, especially if the war continues.

Best Source for National Info; 'Murika ftw


One simple thing you forget. Greece has a massive crisis, in wich they will stay for a long time, an economic crisis. Syria has no economic crisis, and for that they can quickly rebuild its economy, unlike Greece...


Holy crap.
You're right.

Civil wars don't completely obliterate economies!

Please. Greece is bad, yes. Greece is not as bad as Syria.
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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:15 am



Why do I have this feeling that it's going to be biased?

"[...]and all Syrian citizens who have died at the hands of terrorists."

Ap.
Ap.
There it is.
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Postby Al-Quarra » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:23 am

Xanixi wrote:


Why do I have this feeling that it's going to be biased?

"[...]and all Syrian citizens who have died at the hands of terrorists."

Ap.
Ap.
There it is.


Problem is that you take it to serious then... Never take any news to serious... Why haven't you learned that? All news is biased...

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Postby Al-Quarra » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:24 am

Xanixi wrote:Holy crap.
You're right.

Civil wars don't completely obliterate economies!

Please. Greece is bad, yes. Greece is not as bad as Syria.


Nope, I'm still at the point that Greece (economicly seen) is far worse then Syria

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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:25 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
Why do I have this feeling that it's going to be biased?

"[...]and all Syrian citizens who have died at the hands of terrorists."

Ap.
Ap.
There it is.


Problem is that you take it to serious then... Never take any news to serious... Why haven't you learned that? All news is biased...


I'm not supposed to take news seriously?
Well, that's interesting.

Honestly, I do find some news stations are biased. FOX (lol), for example, and ABC as well. But since I also read BBC (which I consider to be neutral), I find it annoying when there are biased news reports. Less-so when they align with my ideology, but still annoy me to a point.
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Postby Al-Quarra » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:31 am

Xanixi wrote:
Al-Quarra wrote:
Problem is that you take it to serious then... Never take any news to serious... Why haven't you learned that? All news is biased...


I'm not supposed to take news seriously?
Well, that's interesting.

Honestly, I do find some news stations are biased. FOX (lol), for example, and ABC as well. But since I also read BBC (which I consider to be neutral), I find it annoying when there are biased news reports. Less-so when they align with my ideology, but still annoy me to a point.


And that's what i mean by don't taking news to seriously, you just need to separate the facts from the propaganda... there is no news without any propaganda.. Besides that, about what you said... the FSA considers Al-Qaeda as an allie, in my eyes that makes them terrorists to.

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Postby East Vlaricstan » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:32 am

He could win. If the west doesn't get all up in his shit, he should.
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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:44 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
I'm not supposed to take news seriously?
Well, that's interesting.

Honestly, I do find some news stations are biased. FOX (lol), for example, and ABC as well. But since I also read BBC (which I consider to be neutral), I find it annoying when there are biased news reports. Less-so when they align with my ideology, but still annoy me to a point.


And that's what i mean by don't taking news to seriously, you just need to separate the facts from the propaganda... there is no news without any propaganda.. Besides that, about what you said... the FSA considers Al-Qaeda as an allie, in my eyes that makes them terrorists to.


I'm not saying that the FSA is right in all aspects. They, like the regime, violate human rights. Politically, however, I would prefer Assad not be in power. I would prefer someone who doesn't shoot at protesters to be in power.

Consider, for a moment, that Hezbollah is with Assad.
And prepare yourself to call Assad a terrorist as well.
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Postby East Vlaricstan » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:53 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
I'm not supposed to take news seriously?
Well, that's interesting.

Honestly, I do find some news stations are biased. FOX (lol), for example, and ABC as well. But since I also read BBC (which I consider to be neutral), I find it annoying when there are biased news reports. Less-so when they align with my ideology, but still annoy me to a point.


And that's what i mean by don't taking news to seriously, you just need to separate the facts from the propaganda... there is no news without any propaganda.. Besides that, about what you said... the FSA considers Al-Qaeda as an allie, in my eyes that makes them terrorists to.


It doesn't mean that if you hang out with douchebags you're a douche as well.

Enemy of my enemy is my friend, amirite?
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Postby Calimera II » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:54 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
Xanixi wrote:Holy crap.
You're right.

Civil wars don't completely obliterate economies!

Please. Greece is bad, yes. Greece is not as bad as Syria.


Nope, I'm still at the point that Greece (economicly seen) is far worse then Syria


Are we supposed to take you serious...

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Postby East Vlaricstan » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:58 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
Xanixi wrote:Holy crap.
You're right.

Civil wars don't completely obliterate economies!

Please. Greece is bad, yes. Greece is not as bad as Syria.


Nope, I'm still at the point that Greece (economicly seen) is far worse then Syria


And how can a nation whose citizens blow each other up be economically better off than a nation who simply suffered an economic collapse?
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Postby Yorkopolis » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:01 am

I think he can, now that the government is making a comeback with Hezbollah intervention and all that..
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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:05 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
Xanixi wrote:Holy crap.
You're right.

Civil wars don't completely obliterate economies!

Please. Greece is bad, yes. Greece is not as bad as Syria.


Nope, I'm still at the point that Greece (economicly seen) is far worse then Syria


Can you provide any evidence to support your claim?
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:05 am

Al-Quarra wrote:
Xanixi wrote:Holy crap.
You're right.

Civil wars don't completely obliterate economies!

Please. Greece is bad, yes. Greece is not as bad as Syria.


Nope, I'm still at the point that Greece (economicly seen) is far worse then Syria


Oh, so seeing nation with destruction all over the places and nation with bankruptcy but still in a normal life, the one with destruction is better?

Syria now only sustain themselves from what Assad controls right now, and his wealth. He feels safe because the Tartus is still intact and Russians still there. They have air force which is enough to control FSA, and take the wealth Syria has to maintained it.
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:40 am

I'd prefer Assad to win.

At least Assad won't behead people for their belief unlike those two jihadists yesterday.
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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:06 am

Czechanada wrote:I'd prefer Assad to win.

At least Assad won't behead people for their belief unlike those two jihadists yesterday.


The actions of two jihadists represents the interests of an entire organization, amirite¿
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:16 am

Xanixi wrote:
Czechanada wrote:I'd prefer Assad to win.

At least Assad won't behead people for their belief unlike those two jihadists yesterday.


The actions of two jihadists represents the interests of an entire organization, amirite¿


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Postby Altito Asmoro » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:19 am

Gauthier wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
The actions of two jihadists represents the interests of an entire organization, amirite¿


Ebil Muslim Theorem. Anyone committing a horrible crime while being a Muslim automatically speaks for every Muslim in the world like an Islamic pope.


Oh, now you criticize Muslim?
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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:25 am

Gauthier wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
The actions of two jihadists represents the interests of an entire organization, amirite¿


Ebil Muslim Theorem. Anyone committing a horrible crime while being a Muslim automatically speaks for every Muslim in the world like an Islamic pope.


Obvi.
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:26 am

Xanixi wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Ebil Muslim Theorem. Anyone committing a horrible crime while being a Muslim automatically speaks for every Muslim in the world like an Islamic pope.


Obvi.


Why you sure he is being sarcastic?
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Postby Xanixi » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:28 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:
Xanixi wrote:
Obvi.


Why you sure he is being sarcastic?


Apart from the "ebil"? We've spoken before in the same manner.
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:29 am

Xanixi wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:
Why you sure he is being sarcastic?


Apart from the "ebil"? We've spoken before in the same manner.


I'm Muslim.
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