Could Assad Win?

[Fellrike]

I've wondered sometimes how things might have turned out if the Arab population of Palestine had accepted partition, taken the territories allotted to them as a Palestinian homeland and conceded (at least temporarily) the rest of Mandatory Palestine to the Jews, to have as their state.

[Havenic Israel]

If you're fine with it i can send my reply by telegram within an hour.

Of course. Feel free

[Havenic Israel]

I've wondered sometimes how things might have turned out if the Arab population of Palestine had accepted partition, taken the territories allotted to them as a Palestinian homeland and conceded (at least temporarily) the rest of Mandatory Palestine to the Jews, to have as their state.

It depends on a few things but the Israeli Jews were pretty content with the partition by most sources. I think conflict was inevitable because for decades prior the two had issues coexisting, but I believe war would've occurred later than it did, probably five or ten years down the road. However, that depends on how some of the more violent Jewish or Arab militias reacted. Theres a LOT of variables, ya know?

[Ralkovia]

I'd be happy to discuss the matter with you

Something you may find interesting is that former Palestine was not the originally intended site for modern Israel. When Theodor Herzl wrote Der Judenstaat he originally thought that an agreeable site would be modern Uganda. They considered buying it from Britain briefly but in the end they decided on the traditional site.

The thing is that it was purchased little by little from the Ottoman Empire, so the original site was actually Israeli land by legal transfer of land by way of purchase. The current situation owes much to the Arab invasion of Israel in '48 as the Arabs (not as much Palestinians but mostly Egyptians and Jordanians) tried to wipe out the Jews. The Arab invasion was defeated (but not after killing many Jews and destroying many villages in the process), and the Arabs evacuated many civillians fearing reprisals. Sadly they were right to do so, because there were many vengeful paramilitaries which went after Arab civillians as well. If anything, many Jews to this day are angry that Ben-Gurion did not forcibly remove all Arabs from the land.

I'm curious your thoughts.

If you're fine with it i can send my reply by telegram within an hour.

I'm curious as well. So move this over to the Mod sanction Israel thread or create a new topic.

[Miyager]

The US has always made it crystal clear that they do not like Bashar Al-Assad.

I do not give a single f*** about that pathetic pile of crap that claim to be powerful non imperialist nation. This could not be further from the truth quiet frankly.

Well, they are powerful. And they're a large nation. And you're an individual on the internet. I think they have the power here.

[Havenic Israel]

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Ralk, Al Quarra, et all

[Central Slavia]

I hope he does, rather than terrorists.

[Havenic Israel]

I hope he does, rather than terrorists.

Except he directly supported terrorism by giving weapons/equipment/funding to Al-Qaeda in Iraq during the Iraqi insurgency. So...he's no cleaner. In fact, its poetic justice, he probably equipped/trained some of the foreign fighters who are now fighting him. This makes me lol a hearty lol.

[Gauthier]

Do you know who I really want to win?

Colonel Sanders. He should come in charging with his half piece chicken bucket and beat Assad and the rebels to death, installing a glorious chickenocracy across the middle east. Arab Spring complimented with Spring vegetables with Colonel Sanders special gravy.

Sanders, Sanders, el al Sanders. Can you hear it? It's the sound of victory and fried chicken.

And then PETA *might* actually have grounds for claiming fried chicken farming is worse than the Holocaust.

[Ralkovia]

Do you know who I really want to win?

Colonel Sanders. He should come in charging with his half piece chicken bucket and beat Assad and the rebels to death, installing a glorious chickenocracy across the middle east. Arab Spring complimented with Spring vegetables with Colonel Sanders special gravy.

Sanders, Sanders, el al Sanders. Can you hear it? It's the sound of victory and fried chicken.

And then PETA *might* actually have grounds for claiming fried chicken farming is worse than the Holocaust.

Then, we'll fund PITA. A radical Israeli and Arab terrorist group that will attack PETA members with the forces of fried chicken in pita buns.

[Al-Quarra]

I hope he does, rather than terrorists.

Except he directly supported terrorism by giving weapons/equipment/funding to Al-Qaeda in Iraq during the Iraqi insurgency. So...he's no cleaner. In fact, its poetic justice, he probably equipped/trained some of the foreign fighters who are now fighting him. This makes me lol a hearty lol.

Same goes for the US;)

[Havenic Israel]

Except he directly supported terrorism by giving weapons/equipment/funding to Al-Qaeda in Iraq during the Iraqi insurgency. So...he's no cleaner. In fact, its poetic justice, he probably equipped/trained some of the foreign fighters who are now fighting him. This makes me lol a hearty lol.

Same goes for the US;)

No it doesn't? If you're referring to the Taliban/Al-Qaeda insurgency, you're mistaken. We never gave support to them. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are two entirely different movements which had no bearing on the Afghan-Soviet War. Osama Bin Laden didn't fight in the war, he was a fund raiser, and the Taliban were children growing up in refugee camps which invaded Afghanistan six years after the wars conclusion after a school boy was raped by an Afghan border guard.

[Al-Quarra]

Same goes for the US;)

No it doesn't? If you're referring to the Taliban/Al-Qaeda insurgency, you're mistaken. We never gave support to them. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are two entirely different movements which had no bearing on the Afghan-Soviet War. Osama Bin Laden didn't fight in the war, he was a fund raiser, and the Taliban were children growing up in refugee camps which invaded Afghanistan six years after the wars conclusion after a school boy was raped by an Afghan border guard.

In the end alot of those weapons came to Al-Qaeda wich was supported by the US, (back then called the mujadeen or something). And that's not the only case of where the US helped them... Everytime the US sends weapons to some kind of group in the middle east for some reason they end up with Al-Qaeda. (US is btw not the only one where this happens)

[Mkuki]

No it doesn't? If you're referring to the Taliban/Al-Qaeda insurgency, you're mistaken. We never gave support to them. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are two entirely different movements which had no bearing on the Afghan-Soviet War. Osama Bin Laden didn't fight in the war, he was a fund raiser, and the Taliban were children growing up in refugee camps which invaded Afghanistan six years after the wars conclusion after a school boy was raped by an Afghan border guard.

In the end alot of those weapons came to Al-Qaeda wich was supported by the US, (back then called the mujadeen or something). And that's not the only case of where the US helped them... Everytime the US sends weapons to some kind of group in the middle east for some reason they end up with Al-Qaeda. (US is btw not the only one where this happens)

A lot of Mujahadeen fighter did join the Taliban as well.

[Al-Quarra]

In the end alot of those weapons came to Al-Qaeda wich was supported by the US, (back then called the mujadeen or something). And that's not the only case of where the US helped them... Everytime the US sends weapons to some kind of group in the middle east for some reason they end up with Al-Qaeda. (US is btw not the only one where this happens)

A lot of Mujahadeen fighter did join the Taliban as well.

True, ofcourse, but that doesn't takes away that the Mujahadeen was the base of Al-Qaeda.

[Ralkovia]

A lot of Mujahadeen fighter did join the Taliban as well.

True, ofcourse, but that doesn't takes away that the Mujahadeen was the base of Al-Qaeda.

It does. The Mujahadeen were US allies. Osama Bin Laden was counter-US, we never gave him weapons. He in fact started targeting Pro-US Mujahadeen to kill him. This is a tired liberal dumb-fuck strategy that drags in otherwise rational people.

[Inyourfaceistan]

True, ofcourse, but that doesn't takes away that the Mujahadeen was the base of Al-Qaeda.

It does. The Mujahadeen were US allies. Osama Bin Laden was counter-US, we never gave him weapons. He in fact started targeting Pro-US Mujahadeen to kill him. This is a tired liberal dumb-fuck strategy that drags in otherwise rational people.

This is why your one of my favorite people on NSG.

[Al-Quarra]

True, ofcourse, but that doesn't takes away that the Mujahadeen was the base of Al-Qaeda.

It does. The Mujahadeen were US allies. Osama Bin Laden was counter-US, we never gave him weapons. He in fact started targeting Pro-US Mujahadeen to kill him. This is a tired liberal dumb-fuck strategy that drags in otherwise rational people.

This does not takes the fact away that lots of these mujahadeen and their US weapons ended up by forming Al-Qaeda.

[Ralkovia]

It does. The Mujahadeen were US allies. Osama Bin Laden was counter-US, we never gave him weapons. He in fact started targeting Pro-US Mujahadeen to kill him. This is a tired liberal dumb-fuck strategy that drags in otherwise rational people.

This does not takes the fact away that lots of these mujahadeen and their US weapons ended up by forming Al-Qaeda.

They didn't. It wasn't a lot at all. Groups that were Pro-US were targeted and destroyed, their weapons were stolen for the most part. Those that did join, did not do it in great numbers. The US wasn't dumb enough to give weapons to groups that weren't Pro-US.

[Altito Asmoro]

It does. The Mujahadeen were US allies. Osama Bin Laden was counter-US, we never gave him weapons. He in fact started targeting Pro-US Mujahadeen to kill him. This is a tired liberal dumb-fuck strategy that drags in otherwise rational people.

This does not takes the fact away that lots of these mujahadeen and their US weapons ended up by forming Al-Qaeda.

Are you really sure that USA won't inspect them first before sending them weapons?

[The Lone Alliance]

This does not takes the fact away that lots of these mujahadeen and their US weapons ended up by forming Al-Qaeda.

If taking second hand weapons = Supporting
Then the Nazis are supporting the rebels from beyond the grave because they were some using STG-44s.

[Ralkovia]

This does not takes the fact away that lots of these mujahadeen and their US weapons ended up by forming Al-Qaeda.

If taking second hand weapons = Supporting
Then the Nazis are supporting the rebels from beyond the grave because they were some using STG-44s.

Undead Nazis. Mhm Mhm.

More dangerous then Russians and Jihadists put together.

[Costa Alegria]

I hope he does, rather than terrorists.

Assad's forces are supported by terrorists.

[The Lone Alliance]

If taking second hand weapons = Supporting
Then the Nazis are supporting the rebels from beyond the grave because they were some using STG-44s.

Undead Nazis. Mhm Mhm.

More dangerous then Russians and Jihadists put together.

That would explain the whole eating hearts thing.

[Ralkovia]

I hope he does, rather than terrorists.

Assad's forces are supported by terrorists.

To be honest, both sides are terrorists, which makes this war so much more delightful. It's literally a conflict of black vs. black.