Could Assad Win?

[Al-Quarra]

Still, Israel is a country, not a religion... Much people forget about it.

Being against Israel doesn't mean that you're against Jews....

It does however mean your against the physical embodiment of a Jewish State.

No its not.

[Al-Quarra]

Of course he COULD win, he has the ability to.
WILL Assad win, dear God I hope not.

You rather have a country based on islamic law like Saudi-Arabia but then with Al-Qaeda in power?

[Ralkovia]

Do you know who I really want to win?

Colonel Sanders. He should come in charging with his half piece chicken bucket and beat Assad and the rebels to death, installing a glorious chickenocracy across the middle east. Arab Spring complimented with Spring vegetables with Colonel Sanders special gravy.

Sanders, Sanders, el al Sanders. Can you hear it? It's the sound of victory and fried chicken.

[Mkuki]

Israel is a predominantly Jewish State. The only one of it's kind on Earth.

Still, Israel is a country, not a religion... Much people forget about it.

Being against Israel doesn't mean that you're against Jews....

I wish someone would tell Republicans that. Criticizing Israel is tantamount to a new Holocaust in their eyes.

[Al-Quarra]

Do you know who I really want to win?

Colonel Sanders. He should come in charging with his half piece chicken bucket and beat Assad and the rebels to death, installing a glorious chickenocracy across the middle east. Arab Spring complimented with Spring vegetables with Colonel Sanders special gravy.

Sanders, Sanders, el al Sanders. Can you hear it? It's the sound of victory and fried chicken.

Does fired chicken makes any sound?

[Ambroseford]

Al Assad can indeed win, if his backers are more determined to see him victorious, than the countries supporting the opposition are to help their side(s). It's about cost tolerance: how high a price are you prepared to pay for victory? Al Assad's allies, particularly Hezbollah, have probably invested too much already, to allow them to walk away and concede defeat. But of course, the regime's oldest and most important ally is Russia. What are Russia's options? How far will they go, to keep their client in power? What if (hypothetically) the Russians decided to send the Syrians some technical advisors along with the S-300s? Would the Israelis target the missiles anyway, risking the possibility of killing them? Would Putin go that far, using his soldiers as a "meat shield" to deter an Israeli strike?
Years ago, I read somewhere that some Soviet aviators were believed to be flying with one or more of the Arab air forces during one of their wars; the Israelis found out about this, and went out of their way to avoid engaging the planes thought to be flown by Soviets. This was very sensible. But at what point will the IDF decide it has to strike at Syria, even if this means possibly killing some Russian missile instructors at the target site?

Very true, the Russians are known for helping out friendly regimes

[Ralkovia]

Do you know who I really want to win?

Colonel Sanders. He should come in charging with his half piece chicken bucket and beat Assad and the rebels to death, installing a glorious chickenocracy across the middle east. Arab Spring complimented with Spring vegetables with Colonel Sanders special gravy.

Sanders, Sanders, el al Sanders. Can you hear it? It's the sound of victory and fried chicken.

Does fired chicken makes any sound?

The sound of full bellies.

[Mkuki]

Of course he COULD win, he has the ability to.
WILL Assad win, dear God I hope not.

You rather have a country based on islamic law like Saudi-Arabia but then with Al-Qaeda in power?

Of course that's all dependent on if the secularists, I think that's the FSA, can wrest power from al Nusra and other Islamist groups.

[Agritum]

It does however mean your against the physical embodiment of a Jewish State.

No its not.

It depends if you either classify yourself as an anti-zionist or if you just dislike Israel with a passion but still want it to be standing there.

Well, yeah, I actually think that there can be people with the latter opinion.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Still, Israel is a country, not a religion... Much people forget about it.

Being against Israel doesn't mean that you're against Jews....

I wish someone would tell Republicans that. Criticizing Israel is tantamount to a new Holocaust in their eyes.

Alot of people criticize Israel because they have a latent dislike of Jews. Certainly not all, but many.
I think openly calling for a devastating attack on Tel Aviv would fall into this catagory of latent hatred.

[Ralkovia]

No its not.

It depends if you either classify yourself as an anti-zionist or if you just dislike Israel with a passion but still want it to be standing there.

Well, yeah, I actually think that there can be people with the latter opinion.

Well yeah, but that's not Anti-Israel. That's anti-Israel government.

[Havenic Israel]

Still, Israel is a country, not a religion... Much people forget about it.

Being against Israel doesn't mean that you're against Jews....

I wish someone would tell Republicans that. Criticizing Israel is tantamount to a new Holocaust in their eyes.

Theoretically no, criticizing Israel does not mean you're anti-semetic. I'm a Jew and I do that sometimes!

However, being against Israel's very existance and right to defend itself probably does equate itself to anti-semetism. I have run across many people who I have politely and in a friendly manner debated on issues of Israeli matters of state. However, I have to date never engaged an individual who is both against Israel's existance and not anti-semetic.

I've been told there are 'anti-zionist Jews' who hate Israel and are obviously religiously Jewish making them 'anti-semetic' quite impossible. If I may muse on the subject, my assumption would be that their issue is chiefly in the fact that Israel is an ethnic state for the Jewish people, but is more secular than religious based.

[Agritum]

It depends if you either classify yourself as an anti-zionist or if you just dislike Israel with a passion but still want it to be standing there.

Well, yeah, I actually think that there can be people with the latter opinion.

Well yeah, but that's not Anti-Israel. That's anti-Israel government.

...then I'm a moderate anti-Israel government.

[Al-Quarra]

No its not.

It depends if you either classify yourself as an anti-zionist or if you just dislike Israel with a passion but still want it to be standing there.

Well, yeah, I actually think that there can be people with the latter opinion.

Well i don't have anything against an Israeli state, but i do hate them for their policy's.. (I know its complex and i'm not gonna discuss it all here but that's what i think about it)

[Agritum]

I wish someone would tell Republicans that. Criticizing Israel is tantamount to a new Holocaust in their eyes.

Theoretically no, criticizing Israel does not mean you're anti-semetic. I'm a Jew and I do that sometimes!

However, being against Israel's very existance and right to defend itself probably does equate itself to anti-semetism. I have run across many people who I have politely and in a friendly manner debated on issues of Israeli matters of state. However, I have to date never engaged an individual who is both against Israel's existance and not anti-semetic.

I've been told there are 'anti-zionist Jews' who hate Israel and are obviously religiously Jewish making them 'anti-semetic' quite impossible. If I may muse on the subject, my assumption would be that their issue is chiefly in the fact that Israel is an ethnic state for the Jewish people, but is more secular than religious based.

There are actually both Secular and Religious Jewish Anti-Zionists around the world.

[Ambroseford]

I wish someone would tell Republicans that. Criticizing Israel is tantamount to a new Holocaust in their eyes.

Theoretically no, criticizing Israel does not mean you're anti-semetic. I'm a Jew and I do that sometimes!

However, being against Israel's very existance and right to defend itself probably does equate itself to anti-semetism. I have run across many people who I have politely and in a friendly manner debated on issues of Israeli matters of state. However, I have to date never engaged an individual who is both against Israel's existance and not anti-semetic.

I've been told there are 'anti-zionist Jews' who hate Israel and are obviously religiously Jewish making them 'anti-semetic' quite impossible. If I may muse on the subject, my assumption would be that their issue is chiefly in the fact that Israel is an ethnic state for the Jewish people, but is more secular than religious based.

Technically anti semetism covers all "semetic peoples" that includes Arabs.

So technically speaking, criticism of any Abrahamic religion is anti semetism, there really does need to be a new term for hating Jews. *nods*

[Al-Quarra]

I wish someone would tell Republicans that. Criticizing Israel is tantamount to a new Holocaust in their eyes.

Theoretically no, criticizing Israel does not mean you're anti-semetic. I'm a Jew and I do that sometimes!

However, being against Israel's very existance and right to defend itself probably does equate itself to anti-semetism. I have run across many people who I have politely and in a friendly manner debated on issues of Israeli matters of state. However, I have to date never engaged an individual who is both against Israel's existance and not anti-semetic. I've been told there are 'anti-zionist Jews' who hate Israel and are obviously religiously Jewish making them 'anti-semetic' quite impossible. If I may muse on the subject, my assumption would be that their issue is chiefly in the fact that Israel is an ethnic state for the Jewish people, but is more secular than religious based.

I think we should debate;) I'm not 100% against Israel's existance, i'm just against the place where they putted it...

[Mkuki]

I wish someone would tell Republicans that. Criticizing Israel is tantamount to a new Holocaust in their eyes.

Alot of people criticize Israel because they have a latent dislike of Jews. Certainly not all, but many.
I think openly calling for a devastating attack on Tel Aviv would fall into this catagory of latent hatred.

It's a good thing I haven't advocated for such a thing then.

I wish someone would tell Republicans that. Criticizing Israel is tantamount to a new Holocaust in their eyes.

I've been told there are 'anti-zionist Jews' who hate Israel and are obviously religiously Jewish making them 'anti-semetic' quite impossible. If I may muse on the subject, my assumption would be that their issue is chiefly in the fact that Israel is an ethnic state for the Jewish people, but is more secular than religious based.

I learned this when I read "The Chosen". It's an odd thing that I had never considered before reading the book.

Theoretically no, criticizing Israel does not mean you're anti-semetic. I'm a Jew and I do that sometimes!

However, being against Israel's very existance and right to defend itself probably does equate itself to anti-semetism. I have run across many people who I have politely and in a friendly manner debated on issues of Israeli matters of state. However, I have to date never engaged an individual who is both against Israel's existance and not anti-semetic.

Yeah, but I wish it were possible to criticize them without being painted as Satan.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Theoretically no, criticizing Israel does not mean you're anti-semetic. I'm a Jew and I do that sometimes!

However, being against Israel's very existance and right to defend itself probably does equate itself to anti-semetism. I have run across many people who I have politely and in a friendly manner debated on issues of Israeli matters of state. However, I have to date never engaged an individual who is both against Israel's existance and not anti-semetic.

I've been told there are 'anti-zionist Jews' who hate Israel and are obviously religiously Jewish making them 'anti-semetic' quite impossible. If I may muse on the subject, my assumption would be that their issue is chiefly in the fact that Israel is an ethnic state for the Jewish people, but is more secular than religious based.

Technically anti semetism covers all "semetic peoples" that includes Arabs.

So technically speaking, criticism of any Abrahamic religion is anti semetism, there really does need to be a new term for hating Jews. *nods*

The nature of language is that terminology evolves with context.
If enough people equate anti-Semetism as being anti-Jewish then that is what the term becomes.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

I think openly calling for a devastating attack on Tel Aviv would fall into this catagory of latent hatred.

It's a good thing I haven't advocated for such a thing then.

I wasn't referring to you. But The poster who set off this debate on antisemetism called for Russia to launch an attack on Tel Aviv.

[Havenic Israel]

I think we should debate;) I'm not 100% against Israel's existance, i'm just against the place where they putted it...

I'd be happy to discuss the matter with you

Something you may find interesting is that former Palestine was not the originally intended site for modern Israel. When Theodor Herzl wrote Der Judenstaat he originally thought that an agreeable site would be modern Uganda. They considered buying it from Britain briefly but in the end they decided on the traditional site.

The thing is that it was purchased little by little from the Ottoman Empire, so the original site was actually Israeli land by legal transfer of land by way of purchase. The current situation owes much to the Arab invasion of Israel in '48 as the Arabs (not as much Palestinians but mostly Egyptians and Jordanians) tried to wipe out the Jews. The Arab invasion was defeated (but not after killing many Jews and destroying many villages in the process), and the Arabs evacuated many civillians fearing reprisals. Sadly they were right to do so, because there were many vengeful paramilitaries which went after Arab civillians as well. If anything, many Jews to this day are angry that Ben-Gurion did not forcibly remove all Arabs from the land.

I'm curious your thoughts.

[Mkuki]

I think we should debate;) I'm not 100% against Israel's existance, i'm just against the place where they putted it...

I'd be happy to discuss the matter with you

Something you may find interesting is that former Palestine was not the originally intended site for modern Israel. When Theodor Herzl wrote Der Judenstaat he originally thought that an agreeable site would be modern Uganda. They considered buying it from Britain briefly but in the end they decided on the traditional site.

The thing is that it was purchased little by little from the Ottoman Empire, so the original site was actually Israeli land by legal transfer of land by way of purchase. The current situation owes much to the Arab invasion of Israel in '48 as the Arabs (not as much Palestinians but mostly Egyptians and Jordanians) tried to wipe out the Jews. The Arab invasion was defeated (but not after killing many Jews and destroying many villages in the process), and the Arabs evacuated many civillians fearing reprisals. Sadly they were right to do so, because there were many vengeful paramilitaries which went after Arab civillians as well. If anything, many Jews to this day are angry that Ben-Gurion did not forcibly remove all Arabs from the land.

I'm curious your thoughts.

I don't mean to stomp on your discussion, but this thread wouldn't be the best place for such a discussion.

[Havenic Israel]

Yeah, but I wish it were possible to criticize them without being painted as Satan.

Thats simply due to the immaturity of the commentator. I'm a pretty well educated and I'd like to think mature individual. I recognise that other people have differing opinions from me. I may disagree with them vehemently, but I do recognise a persons right to them and love to discuss matters. So I guess I bring this up to say you won't have that from me. Unless you say that you want to see all the Jews burn. Then we'll have issues

I don't mean to stomp on your discussion, but this thread wouldn't be the best place for such a discussion.

you're probably right. I apologise to any offended parties..

[Mkuki]

Yeah, but I wish it were possible to criticize them without being painted as Satan.

Thats simply due to the immaturity of the commentator. I'm a pretty well educated and I'd like to think mature individual. I recognise that other people have differing opinions from me. I may disagree with them vehemently, but I do recognise a persons right to them and love to discuss matters. So I guess I bring this up to say you won't have that from me. Unless you say that you want to see all the Jews burn. Then we'll have issues

The only people that need to burn are Trekkies.

you're probably right. I apologise to any offended parties..

No problem.

[Al-Quarra]

I think we should debate;) I'm not 100% against Israel's existance, i'm just against the place where they putted it...

I'd be happy to discuss the matter with you

Something you may find interesting is that former Palestine was not the originally intended site for modern Israel. When Theodor Herzl wrote Der Judenstaat he originally thought that an agreeable site would be modern Uganda. They considered buying it from Britain briefly but in the end they decided on the traditional site.

The thing is that it was purchased little by little from the Ottoman Empire, so the original site was actually Israeli land by legal transfer of land by way of purchase. The current situation owes much to the Arab invasion of Israel in '48 as the Arabs (not as much Palestinians but mostly Egyptians and Jordanians) tried to wipe out the Jews. The Arab invasion was defeated (but not after killing many Jews and destroying many villages in the process), and the Arabs evacuated many civillians fearing reprisals. Sadly they were right to do so, because there were many vengeful paramilitaries which went after Arab civillians as well. If anything, many Jews to this day are angry that Ben-Gurion did not forcibly remove all Arabs from the land.

I'm curious your thoughts.

If you're fine with it i can send my reply by telegram within an hour.