Discussion Thread for Nelson Mandela's Health

[Heavenly Peace]

Are you suggesting that the man who almost single-handedly brought down the brutal Apartheid regime should have been kept in gaol? For shame.

nah

i'm just saying that if you hate marxists so much, well

I never said I hate Marxists, I merely inferred that I wouldn't cry at their deaths.

[Souseiseki]

nah

i'm just saying that if you hate marxists so much, well

I never said I hate Marxists, I merely inferred that I wouldn't cry at their deaths.

if you didn't think it was repulsive, would you be celebrating?

it sounds like basically just being a contrarian baby because "marx!!!"

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Why?

Just curious.

Because he founded a terrorist group?

Oh noes! Someone founded a terrorist group that attacked a brutal, oppressive, anti-democratic and racist regime, and then after that regime's fall that same someone was a key figure in trying to promote reconciliation and unity!

The horror.

[Ostroeuropa]

I wouldn't care if he was the pope. His major lifetime achievement was ending apartheid. It's as much the symbolism of his death as the man himself.
Frankly, I don't particularly feel anything for the man himself because shock horror, I don't know him. It's a tradgedy when anyone dies sure, but it's more of an "Oh." than a "I'm sad now."
Whereas the symbol mandela represents is of a unity and liberation by peaceful means.
Whether or not that's true doesn't seem very relevant

[Heavenly Peace]

I never said I hate Marxists, I merely inferred that I wouldn't cry at their deaths.

if you didn't think it was repulsive, would you be celebrating?

it sounds like basically just being a contrarian baby because "marx!!!"

What?

I said I find celebrating deaths repulsive but that does not mean I have to feel sorry for someone when they've died.

[The IASM]

The second he dies, the country goes to shit. Mark my words.

I will.

[Boring Nation]

The second he dies, the country goes to shit. Mark my words.

Okay, i will note that

[Azaflaza]

Like many others on this thread I agree that it should come as no surprise that at his age he is experiencing health problems nor should we be surprised if he dies any time soon.

[Heavenly Peace]

The second he dies, the country goes to shit. Mark my words.

No it won't. There will be a few days of mourning, world leaders will issue their tributes and life will carry on as normal in South Africa.

[Hippostania]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

I have mixed views of Mandela, though they're mostly negative. He is a murderer who ordered bombings that killed hundreds of innocent civilians, enabled the cultural genocide of Afrikaner culture and directly caused dramatic increase in crime and inflation. In January 1985, South African State President P.W. Botha offered Mandela unconditional amnesty and immidiate freedom from Robben Island if he denounced violence as a political violence. Guess what murderer Mandela did? He refused!

Still, you have to give credit that despite pretty much fucking up South Africa, he managed to avert a white genocide that would've undoubtedly occurred if someone more extremist would've been in control of ANC. Mandela managed to act in a reconciliatory way, discouraging vengeance and managing to avert a complete race war, though his successors like Zuma are majorly fucking up his legacy.

Overall, I see Mandela as a terrorist murderer that did some good things, but not enough good things to justify the dozens of dead white men, women and children whose death he caused. I hope that before he dies, he would discredit Zuma and encourage real reconciliatory actions like putting an immidiate stop to Afrikaner cultural genocide, for example by reinstating the old flag and coat of arms that had existed long before apartheid.

[Thafoo]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

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Nah, I'm not going to debate this. Forget it.

[Hippostania]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

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Nah, I'm not going to debate this. Forget it.

I remember quite a few persons using almost that exact sentence not too long ago to insult a person who hadn't killed hundreds of innocent people.

[Divair]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

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Nah, I'm not going to debate this. Forget it.

You have learned well.

[Divair]

The second he dies, the country goes to shit. Mark my words.

No it won't. There will be a few days of mourning, world leaders will issue their tributes and life will carry on as normal in South Africa.

I assume you don't know anything about how respected Mandela is and how the ANC is waiting for him to die.

[Thafoo]

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Nah, I'm not going to debate this. Forget it.

I remember quite a few persons using almost that exact sentence not too long ago to insult a person who hadn't killed hundreds of innocent people.

I'm just going to leave this here. And then I'm going to wash my hands of even talking to you and leave this thread.

And before any of you disrespectful, idiotic left-wing goons start dancing on the poor woman's grave, I urge you to shut the fuck up and show some respect. A person is dead and that's supposed to be a sad thing, no matter what your political orientation is. Even if you don't agree with her policies, the least you can do is be quiet.

[Souseiseki]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

cries about people celebrating thatchers death, does this

He is a murderer who ordered bombings that killed hundreds of innocent civilians,

no. seriously. you support brutal military dictatorships who murdered, tortured and raped far more than mandela. you have basically no right to make a post like this at all.

Overall, I see Mandela as a terrorist murderer that did some good things, but not enough good things to justify the dozens of dead white men, women and children whose death he caused.apartheid.

I miss Rhodesia.

It's actually because of the primitve and undeveloped nature of their culture and decolonization. If Africa would still be colonized, shit like this wouldn't be happening.

I'm sorry that I like western culture and the name ''Rhodesia'' more than ZIMBUMBABWE and some primitive African tribe culture that has pretty much destroyed the entire nation.

I do not support apartheid. However, I do believe that original African tribal cultures should be discouraged or even suppressed due to their primitive, aggressive and inhumane features.

Honestly though, I can't decide which one is worse. At least apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia didn't have leftist parties in power, so I'm gonna say that the current situation is just barely worse than it was before.

I took the apartheid-era flag of South Africa, tweaked with the colors and then put Rarity in the middle.

[Hippostania]

I remember quite a few persons using almost that exact sentence not too long ago to insult a person who hadn't killed hundreds of innocent people.

I'm just going to leave this here. And then I'm going to wash my hands of even talking to you and leave this thread.

And before any of you disrespectful, idiotic left-wing goons start dancing on the poor woman's grave, I urge you to shut the fuck up and show some respect. A person is dead and that's supposed to be a sad thing, no matter what your political orientation is. Even if you don't agree with her policies, the least you can do is be quiet.

Yeah, I respect ordinary people whose views I do not agree with. Mandela on the other hand is a murderer responsible for the deaths of hundreds.

[Heavenly Peace]

No it won't. There will be a few days of mourning, world leaders will issue their tributes and life will carry on as normal in South Africa.

I assume you don't know anything about how respected Mandela is and how the ANC is waiting for him to die.

Enlighten me then how South Africa will "[go] to the shit" after his death.

[Hippostania]

cries about people celebrating thatchers death, does this

And now people complain about it, that's the circle of NSG.

no. seriously. you support brutal military dictatorships who murdered, tortured and raped far more than mandela. you have basically no right to make a post like this at all.

I haven't supported a single brutal military dictatorship, unless you people count executing people who have committed treason as "brutal".

I miss Rhodesia.

Who doesn't? A prosperous nation in the heart of Africa or a tyrannic shithole that is Zimbabwe, which one would you choose?

[Souseiseki]

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Nah, I'm not going to debate this. Forget it.

I remember quite a few persons using almost that exact sentence not too long ago to insult a person who hadn't killed hundreds of innocent people.

so your solution is to stoop to their level? good job.

we already covered how that person was actively supporting and enabling genocidal regimes, which you supported. so again as "guy who regularly defends brutal dictatorships and arming genocidal regimes". have you considered that maybe you are massive hypocrite who should stop?

[Heavenly Peace]

I miss Rhodesia.

Who doesn't? A prosperous nation in the heart of Africa or a tyrannic shithole that is Zimbabwe, which one would you choose?

I have to agree with you there Hippo. Who wouldn't rather have tea with Cecil Rhodes than Robert Mugabe?

[Divair]

I assume you don't know anything about how respected Mandela is and how the ANC is waiting for him to die.

Enlighten me then how South Africa will "[go] to the shit" after his death.

Mandela is practically worshiped in South Africa by everyone. Black or white, male or female, left or right, the man is loved by everyone. While he is alive, the ANC is restricting going full-retard with its racist and corrupt policies because they don't want to disappoint him. Once he's dead, he won't know, so they'll do whatever they want.

[Ostroeuropa]

I view Mandela a bit like Gorbachev.
They ultimately deconstructed the appalling situation they found the country in and made it a better place. Yes, prior to their rise to power they may have been assholes who did questionable or obscene things. But their legacy is that they broke the cycle.
A mobster who decides to turn state prosecution and unloads all the names and practices of the entire circuit of mobsters is rightly regarded as having cleaned their slate and may even be hailed as a hero.
This is a similar situation.

[Souseiseki]

cries about people celebrating thatchers death, does this

And now people complain about it, that's the circle of NSG.

no. seriously. you support brutal military dictatorships who murdered, tortured and raped far more than mandela. you have basically no right to make a post like this at all.

I haven't supported a single brutal military dictatorship, unless you people count executing people who have committed treason as "brutal".

I miss Rhodesia.

Who doesn't? A prosperous nation in the heart of Africa or a tyrannic shithole that is Zimbabwe, which one would you choose?

the leftists did it and it was bad, so its ok for me to do it ;o;

yes yes. random journalists who disagree with the government and basically everyone you don't like is a traitor so it's ok to torture them to death. i know.

[Saruhan]

Because he founded a terrorist group?

Oh noes! Someone founded a terrorist group that attacked a brutal, oppressive, anti-democratic and racist regime, and then after that regime's fall that same someone was a key figure in trying to promote reconciliation and unity!

The horror.

Yep, killing hundreds of innocent civilians is such a good way to get back against the government