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Postby Ardchoille » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:25 am

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Radiatia wrote: <snip> Jesus H. Christ, who the hell is uneducated enough to compare Nelson Mandela with Stalin?
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:27 am

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Hippostania wrote:HOLY FUCK, SO WHAT? The color scheme of the South African flag symbolized the Dutch, the first inhabitants of South Africa

I'm sure the Zulu, Xhosa, Khoikhoi, Bhaca, San, Venda, Tswana and so forth would disagree with you.

OMG stop supporting the genocide of the whites with your damn facts! :roll:

No, seriously: yep, there's a lot of anti-white racists in South Africa, just as there's a lot of anti-black racists there. With the small difference that whites aren't being forced to live in townships, kept in abysmal poverty, and subjected to continuous violent raids by black-only police forces.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:34 am

Hippostania wrote:According to Genocidewatch, South Africa is showing early warning signs of genocide


Actually, they claim SA to be in the "polarization" phase.
That is, extremely early warning signs.

Also, the report seems to be slightly biased here and there... why aren't Kurds in Turkey even nominated, at least as in the "polarization" stage? Hmmm...
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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:35 am

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Hippostania wrote:According to Genocidewatch, South Africa is showing early warning signs of genocide


Actually, they claim SA to be in the "polarization" phase.
That is, extremely early warning signs.

Also, the report seems to be slightly biased here and there... why aren't Kurds in Turkey even nominated, at least as in the "polarization" stage? Hmmm...

It claims Russia and Mexico are in the same stage too.

wtf

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Postby Magnus Portucale » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:39 am

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OMGeverynameistaken wrote:I'm sure the Zulu, Xhosa, Khoikhoi, Bhaca, San, Venda, Tswana and so forth would disagree with you.

OMG stop supporting the genocide of the whites with your damn facts! :roll:

No, seriously: yep, there's a lot of anti-white racists in South Africa, just as there's a lot of anti-black racists there. With the small difference that whites aren't being forced to live in townships, kept in abysmal poverty, and subjected to continuous violent raids by black-only police forces.


They are feeling the same blacks feel during apartheid but that doesn't justify the violence towards Boer .
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Divair wrote:
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Actually, they claim SA to be in the "polarization" phase.
That is, extremely early warning signs.

Also, the report seems to be slightly biased here and there... why aren't Kurds in Turkey even nominated, at least as in the "polarization" stage? Hmmm...

It claims Russia and Mexico are in the same stage too.

wtf


Well, Russia is sure showing some polarization about the Muslim terrorist insurgents of Caucasus.
Curious how massacring hundreds of unarmed civilians in hospitals, theatres and elementary schools can lead to the general population becoming a bit polarized against terrorist insurgents. I would never have expected it.

By the way, have you noticed how the report claims that the group "polarizing" against the Whites in SA is... "Marxist racists"!
Seriously, "Marxist racists"? Does that even make sense?
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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:40 am

Risottia wrote:
Divair wrote:It claims Russia and Mexico are in the same stage too.

wtf


Well, Russia is sure showing some polarization about the Muslim terrorist insurgents of Caucasus.
Curious how massacring hundreds of unarmed civilians in hospitals, theatres and elementary schools can lead to the general population becoming a bit polarized against terrorist insurgents. I would never have expected it.

By the way, have you noticed how the report claims that the group "polarizing" against the Whites in SA is... "Marxist racists"!
Seriously, "Marxist racists"? Does that even make sense?

Clearly all the whites are far-right heroes fighting against the communist masses. That's why we're voting for Democratic Alliance, a centrist party.

wait

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Postby Hippostania » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:40 am

Risottia wrote:By the way, have you noticed how the report claims that the group "polarizing" against the Whites in SA is... "Marxist racists"!
Seriously, "Marxist racists"? Does that even make sense?

It mostly refers to anti-whites in the South African Communist Party that has significant influence in the ANC.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:41 am

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Risottia wrote:OMG stop supporting the genocide of the whites with your damn facts! :roll:

No, seriously: yep, there's a lot of anti-white racists in South Africa, just as there's a lot of anti-black racists there. With the small difference that whites aren't being forced to live in townships, kept in abysmal poverty, and subjected to continuous violent raids by black-only police forces.


They are feeling the same blacks feel during apartheid

No, they are not.
They would be if they'd be forced to live in townships, kept in abysmal poverty and subjected to continuous violent raids by black-only police forces. WHITES IN SOUTH AFRICA AREN'T BEING SUBJECTED TO APARTHEID, for crying out loud.
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Postby Agritum » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:41 am

Risottia wrote:
Divair wrote:It claims Russia and Mexico are in the same stage too.

wtf


Well, Russia is sure showing some polarization about the Muslim terrorist insurgents of Caucasus.
Curious how massacring hundreds of unarmed civilians in hospitals, theatres and elementary schools can lead to the general population becoming a bit polarized against terrorist insurgents. I would never have expected it.

By the way, have you noticed how the report claims that the group "polarizing" against the Whites in SA is... "Marxist racists"!
Seriously, "Marxist racists"? Does that even make sense?

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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:43 am

Apparently he's still critical, but now stable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23078373

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Postby Magnus Portucale » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:43 am

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They are feeling the same blacks feel during apartheid

No, they are not.
They would be if they'd be forced to live in townships, kept in abysmal poverty and subjected to continuous violent raids by black-only police forces. WHITES IN SOUTH AFRICA AREN'T BEING SUBJECTED TO APARTHEID, for crying out loud.



You clearly don't understand what i said don't you ?

I Said they are feeling the same violence and exclusion in terms of places to live in and Poverty and that's was some of the thing that took place in Apartheid .
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:45 am

Hippostania wrote:
Risottia wrote:By the way, have you noticed how the report claims that the group "polarizing" against the Whites in SA is... "Marxist racists"!
Seriously, "Marxist racists"? Does that even make sense?

It mostly refers to anti-whites in the South African Communist Party that has significant influence in the ANC.


I would guess that the eventual anti-whites in the SACP have no significant influence in the SACP itself.
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With the failure of the rising, in part due to black workers failing to strike, the Communist Party was forced by Comintern to adopt the Native Republic thesis which stipulated that South Africa was a country belonging to the Natives, that is, the Blacks. The Party thus reoriented itself at its 1924 Party Congress towards organising black workers and "Africanising" the party. By 1928, 1,600 of the party's 1,750 members were Black. In 1929, the party adopted a "strategic line" which held that "The most direct line of advance to socialism runs through the mass struggle for majority rule". By 1948 the Party had officially abandoned the Native Republic policy.
Following the repression of the CPSA, the party adopted a policy of primarily working within the ANC in order to reorient that organisation's programme from a nationalist policy akin to the CPSA's former Native Republic policy towards a non-racial programme which declared that all ethnic groups residing in South Africa had equal rights to the country.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:46 am

Magnus Portucale wrote:
Risottia wrote:No, they are not.
They would be if they'd be forced to live in townships, kept in abysmal poverty and subjected to continuous violent raids by black-only police forces. WHITES IN SOUTH AFRICA AREN'T BEING SUBJECTED TO APARTHEID, for crying out loud.



You clearly don't understand what i said don't you ?

I Said they are feeling the same violence and exclusion in terms of places to live in and Poverty and that's was some of the thing that took place in Apartheid .


Yes, I understood it, and that's utter bollocks. The whites' condition in today's SA is NOWHERE comparable to the blacks' during the Apartheid years.
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Postby Magnus Portucale » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:48 am

Risottia wrote:
Magnus Portucale wrote:

You clearly don't understand what i said don't you ?

I Said they are feeling the same violence and exclusion in terms of places to live in and Poverty and that's was some of the thing that took place in Apartheid .


Yes, I understood it, and that's utter bollocks. The whites' condition in today's SA is NOWHERE comparable to the blacks' during the Apartheid years.


It's you opinion and you have the right to disagree with me .
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Postby Agritum » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:49 am

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Yes, I understood it, and that's utter bollocks. The whites' condition in today's SA is NOWHERE comparable to the blacks' during the Apartheid years.


It's you opinion and you have the right to disagree with me .

And prove your opinion wrong.

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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:56 am

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Well, Russia is sure showing some polarization about the Muslim terrorist insurgents of Caucasus.
Curious how massacring hundreds of unarmed civilians in hospitals, theatres and elementary schools can lead to the general population becoming a bit polarized against terrorist insurgents. I would never have expected it.

By the way, have you noticed how the report claims that the group "polarizing" against the Whites in SA is... "Marxist racists"!
Seriously, "Marxist racists"? Does that even make sense?

Clearly all the whites are far-right heroes fighting against the communist masses. That's why we're voting for Democratic Alliance, a centrist party.

wait

Actually, that might switch from DA to Agang South Africa next election.

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Postby Magnus Portucale » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:56 am

Agritum wrote:
Magnus Portucale wrote:
It's you opinion and you have the right to disagree with me .

And prove your opinion wrong.


I don't think whites during apartheid deliberated raid to black communities and start to torture and kill them just for being black .

Can you say the same now ?
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Postby Divair » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:04 am

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Divair wrote:Clearly all the whites are far-right heroes fighting against the communist masses. That's why we're voting for Democratic Alliance, a centrist party.

wait

Actually, that might switch from DA to Agang South Africa next election.

Based on social media statistics, it seems like Agang is already almost as popular as the DA, and it only launched five days ago.


How? I don't even know.

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Postby Agritum » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:09 am

Magnus Portucale wrote:
Agritum wrote:And prove your opinion wrong.


I don't think whites during apartheid deliberated raid to black communities and start to torture and kill them just for being black .

Can you say the same now ?

Oh no, they just segregated them on a racial basis, deprived them of citizenship and brutally repressed any of their attempts at stopping the segregation.

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Postby Magnus Portucale » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:13 am

Agritum wrote:
Magnus Portucale wrote:
I don't think whites during apartheid deliberated raid to black communities and start to torture and kill them just for being black .

Can you say the same now ?

Oh no, they just segregated them on a racial basis, deprived them of citizenship and brutally repressed any of their attempts at stopping the segregation.


They are doing the same now when they don't help the boers communities who live under poverty, don't do enough to stop crimes against Farmers .

Why they need to the reverse thing the whites did on apartheid except this time they don't deny them citizenship and they can go to everywhere .
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Postby Ainin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:35 am

According to Zuma, his condition is much better today.

(Source is that news ticker the top of this page)
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Ainin wrote:According to Zuma

And then I stopped reading. Zuma can piss off.

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