Discussion Thread for Nelson Mandela's Health

[Potenco]

I can't be assed to answer anything else right now, but..

you took aparthed era South Africas flag and put your own coat of arms on it

HOLY FUCK, SO WHAT? The color scheme of the South African flag symbolized the Dutch, the first inhabitants of South Africa and the three nations that united to form the Union of South Africa in 1910; Oranje Free State, Transvaal and Cape Colony.

Only the ignorant liberals could see that, a flag symbolizing the history of South Africa that was adopted two decades before apartheid as "racist". That flag is the true flag of South Africa, the current flag with the ANC colors conviniently added in is nothing but a symbol of Afrikaner cultural genocide and general failure.

Besides, the blue-white-orange color scheme is asthetically beautiful.

Well, OK blue, white and orange is pretty.

The current South African flag is a symbol of integration and diversity, what South Africa is about. These claims of "Afrikaner Genocide" are ridiculous. Most South African wealth is stiill concentrated in the hands of the white population, and last time I checked, they are not building concentration camps OR running whites out of the country. South Africa had thousands of years of history before the Dutch stepped in

[Costa Alegria]

Is he dead yet?

[Scholencia]

8 June update: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22824988
"Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition'"

23 June update: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23024836
"Nelson Mandela 'critically ill in hospital'"

Nelson Mandela has been admitted to hospital for, as far as I know, the third time this year: I must come clear that am starting to worry for his health, given that it is a recurrence of a lung infection. I am hopeful that Nelson Mandela will recover, because he has done so much for freedom in South Africa, even though there are noticeable problems in the country right now.

I will keep NSGers up to date as the situation develops, this OP and its title may change if the situation changes - for now though, reflections on his influence and endeavour?

He is almost 100 years old. How long should he live?????

He is just another person who everybody else. This personality cult is very sick, just like it was in the times of Stalin.

[Libertarian California]

He's what Robert Mugabe should have been.

Hats off Mandela, hats off.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

8 June update: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22824988
"Nelson Mandela admitted to hospital in 'serious condition'"

23 June update: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23024836
"Nelson Mandela 'critically ill in hospital'"

Nelson Mandela has been admitted to hospital for, as far as I know, the third time this year: I must come clear that am starting to worry for his health, given that it is a recurrence of a lung infection. I am hopeful that Nelson Mandela will recover, because he has done so much for freedom in South Africa, even though there are noticeable problems in the country right now.

I will keep NSGers up to date as the situation develops, this OP and its title may change if the situation changes - for now though, reflections on his influence and endeavour?

He is almost 100 years old. How long should he live?????

He is just another person who everybody else. This personality cult is very sick, just like it was in the times of Stalin.

Nelson Mandela: Literally the same as Joseph Stalin.

Go shitpost on another forum.

[Torisakia]

I keep hearing he's dead so I checked CNN.

Bulll-shit, bulll-shit, bulll-shit.

[Libertarian California]

I keep hearing he's dead so I checked CNN.

Bulll-shit, bulll-shit, bulll-shit.

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

[Scholencia]

He is almost 100 years old. How long should he live?????

He is just another person who everybody else. This personality cult is very sick, just like it was in the times of Stalin.

Nelson Mandela: Literally the same as Joseph Stalin.

Go shitpost on another forum.

No, it is just that cult personality is bad whoever the person is. I am personally not a serf to praise some other as if he is a God or something like that. It is disgusting.

[Marcurix]

At 94 years old he hasn't done too badly, but all good things must come to an end.

Perhaps this may, in a way, be another drastic impact on the politics of South Africa and shift things away from the ANC.

Or it may lead to an outpouring of support, but we will see.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

Nelson Mandela: Literally the same as Joseph Stalin.

Go shitpost on another forum.

No, it is just that cult personality is bad whoever the person is. I am personally not a serf to praise some other as if he is a God or something like that. It is disgusting.

If you don't understand why Nelson Mandela is near-universally adored except among white supremacists, then wow. I feel sorry for you.

[Regnum Dominae]

On life support

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/world/afr ... a-mandela/

It's sad that such a great man is dying. I also fear that the ANC will go complete batshit insane without having to deal with his reaction.

[Radiatia]

He has to go sometime, but I hope he goes peacefully.

But yeah I'm also a bit sad and worried upon hearing that he's on life support.

[Regnum Dominae]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

I have mixed views of Mandela, though they're mostly negative. He is a murderer who ordered bombings that killed hundreds of innocent civilians, enabled the cultural genocide of Afrikaner culture and directly caused dramatic increase in crime and inflation. In January 1985, South African State President P.W. Botha offered Mandela unconditional amnesty and immidiate freedom from Robben Island if he denounced violence as a political violence. Guess what murderer Mandela did? He refused!

Still, you have to give credit that despite pretty much fucking up South Africa, he managed to avert a white genocide that would've undoubtedly occurred if someone more extremist would've been in control of ANC. Mandela managed to act in a reconciliatory way, discouraging vengeance and managing to avert a complete race war, though his successors like Zuma are majorly fucking up his legacy.

Overall, I see Mandela as a terrorist murderer that did some good things, but not enough good things to justify the dozens of dead white men, women and children whose death he caused. I hope that before he dies, he would discredit Zuma and encourage real reconciliatory actions like putting an immidiate stop to Afrikaner cultural genocide, for example by reinstating the old flag and coat of arms that had existed long before apartheid.

[Radiatia]

No, it is just that cult personality is bad whoever the person is. I am personally not a serf to praise some other as if he is a God or something like that. It is disgusting.

If you don't understand why Nelson Mandela is near-universally adored except among white supremacists, then wow. I feel sorry for you.

I second this.

Jesus H. Christ, who the hell is uneducated enough to compare Nelson Mandela with Stalin?

[Pope Joan]

Sometimes a good brave person comes along in this miserable world and for a while we feel like maybe we can draw upon some his his virtue.

[Yorkopolis]

If there was anyone worth bombing, it was the Apartheid government and its supporters. Fact.

It's still a little unnecessary.

Not really, considering the Apartheid government's determination to cling on to power and keep the blacks excluded for as long as possible. Same way with the Democrats in the Southern US during the Jim Crow period.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

If you don't understand why Nelson Mandela is near-universally adored except among white supremacists, then wow. I feel sorry for you.

I second this.

Jesus H. Christ, who the hell is uneducated enough to compare Nelson Mandela with Stalin?

Hippostania?

[Benuty]

Ding dong, the witch doctor is dead soon!

I have mixed views of Mandela, though they're mostly negative. He is a murderer who ordered bombings that killed hundreds of innocent civilians, enabled the cultural genocide of Afrikaner culture and directly caused dramatic increase in crime and inflation. In January 1985, South African State President P.W. Botha offered Mandela unconditional amnesty and immidiate freedom from Robben Island if he denounced violence as a political violence. Guess what murderer Mandela did? He refused!

Still, you have to give credit that despite pretty much fucking up South Africa, he managed to avert a white genocide that would've undoubtedly occurred if someone more extremist would've been in control of ANC. Mandela managed to act in a reconciliatory way, discouraging vengeance and managing to avert a complete race war, though his successors like Zuma are majorly fucking up his legacy.

Overall, I see Mandela as a terrorist murderer that did some good things, but not enough good things to justify the dozens of dead white men, women and children whose death he caused. I hope that before he dies, he would discredit Zuma and encourage real reconciliatory actions like putting an immidiate stop to Afrikaner cultural genocide, for example by reinstating the old flag and coat of arms that had existed long before apartheid.

Not worth it.

[Magnus Portucale]

No, it is just that cult personality is bad whoever the person is. I am personally not a serf to praise some other as if he is a God or something like that. It is disgusting.

If you don't understand why Nelson Mandela is near-universally adored except among white supremacists, then wow. I feel sorry for you.

I'm Anarchist and i don't love him .

I have negative feelings about him since he didn't do enough to protect the Boer minority and stop the corrupt Zuba to win even more power and do even more damage to the boer and the South African Population .

[OMGeverynameistaken]

HOLY FUCK, SO WHAT? The color scheme of the South African flag symbolized the Dutch, the first inhabitants of South Africa

I'm sure the Zulu, Xhosa, Khoikhoi, Bhaca, San, Venda, Tswana and so forth would disagree with you.

[Scholencia]

No, it is just that cult personality is bad whoever the person is. I am personally not a serf to praise some other as if he is a God or something like that. It is disgusting.

If you don't understand why Nelson Mandela is near-universally adored except among white supremacists, then wow. I feel sorry for you.

There are far more important people who contributed more to humanity than Mandela. That would be Stalin because he defetaed Hitler in WW2 and liberated Europe. Nelson Mandela did not contribute to humanity anything, the first multi-racial elections was organised by de Klerk and he wasnthe one who ended apartheid.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

If you don't understand why Nelson Mandela is near-universally adored except among white supremacists, then wow. I feel sorry for you.

There are far more important people who contributed more to humanity than Mandela. That would be Stalin because he defetaed Hitler in WW2 and liberated Europe. Nelson Mandela did not contribute to humanity anything, the first multi-racial elections was organised by de Klerk and he wasnthe one who ended apartheid.

Mandela maintained peaceful opposition to the Apartheid government despite its best efforts to radicalize the opposition.

Go look up the Mau Mau Rebellion. That's what would have happened in South Africa if Mandela hadn't been around.

[Magnus Portucale]

There are far more important people who contributed more to humanity than Mandela. That would be Stalin because he defetaed Hitler in WW2 and liberated Europe. Nelson Mandela did not contribute to humanity anything, the first multi-racial elections was organised by de Klerk and he wasnthe one who ended apartheid.

Mandela maintained peaceful opposition to the Apartheid government despite its best efforts to radicalize the opposition.

Go look up the Mau Mau Rebellion. That's what would have happened in South Africa if Mandela hadn't been around.

What about the attacks against civilians ?

[Hippostania]

Well, OK blue, white and orange is pretty.

I'm glad you had the guts to admit it

The current South African flag is a symbol of integration and diversity, what South Africa is about.

No, it's a symbol of failure and ANC corruption. Just like in Zimbabwe, the ruling party (in this case, ANC) inserted their own colors into the national flag. The current flag isn't even a national flag, it's a political flag.

These claims of "Afrikaner Genocide" are ridiculous. Most South African wealth is stiill concentrated in the hands of the white population, and last time I checked, they are not building concentration camps OR running whites out of the country.

According to Genocidewatch, South Africa is showing early warning signs of genocide including disarmament of a targeted group, government promotion of hate speech that constitutes incitement to genocide and promotion of forced displacement and general dehumanization of the Afrikaner population

In addition, the government has taken numerous steps to erase and destroy Afrikaner culture, such as renaming place names from Afrikaans to native languages for no reason whatsoever, destoying and banning century-old symbols such as the old flag, coat of arms and other symbols like the springbok.

Indeed, what a multi-culti paradise South Africa is!

South Africa had thousands of years of history before the Dutch stepped in

Not in most areas. Did you see the map I posted here.

[Divair]

Apparently an Australian politician misspoke and everyone thought Mandela had been taken off life support. Scared me for a second, even though everyone knows this is probably the end for him.